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1 week ago
I love your mana base - perfect. I run Zur myself and I love the deck. And I'm psyched to see you're not running Doomsday Zur. Make sure everyone knows that before you start. Zur can be super fun as long as you don't make it overly punitive - everyone else also wants to play Magic! And the voltron route is the smart path. In my deck I run more counterspells, which I use to counter targeted removal. You're running a few expensive ($$) creatures that you could probably cut, and if you don't already own those cards I recommend investing in Mana Drain and some of the other situational counterspells like Flusterstorm. Dispel can be a really good card! Also, I think every control deck that can run Teferi, Time Raveler should be.
1 month ago
More interaction, cantrips spells and draw engines.
Budget interaction package
no budget interaction
Cut all the cards that are dead if you dont have a board state. Pump cards are situationally great but have a very low floor.
2 months ago
This is already pretty good for casual play. It's actually probably a bit better than a lot of casual decks. (Though not so powerful that you should worry about it). Making the deck legal was the important step.
With play you'll figure stuff out. The biggest thing is that you acknowledge when something is not working and actively do something about it. It will slowly become optimized.
Anyway, I would add some lands. Mathematically, you should have 36 (now at 30). I would add some cheap non-basics, I would go for:
Geier Reach Sanitarium (Synergizes with Commander and helps fix your hand) Isolated Watchtower (Synergizes with your high number of basic lands) Myriad Landscape (Ramps you) Terrain Generator (Ramps you) Command Tower (Both Colors) Temple of Epiphany (Both Colors)
I would still cut a lot more creatures and planeswalkers. In 4 player games, remember that people will only attack you as much as they feel that it is necessary. If it appears that you're doing very little, or you only intervene when necessary, people won't be attacking you. I would replace all but the creatures/planeswalkers that you feel are actually necessary and useful, rather than thinking you need them to attack/block.
Then, you will also probably want 5-10 mana rocks (artifacts that produce mana). Virtually every deck in EDH uses mana rocks, because the ones available with the card pool are generally much better than those in other formats. Good, budget examples are: Sol Ring Arcane Signet Fellwar Stone Mind Stone Thought Vessel Darksteel Ingot Skyclave Relic Prismatic Lens
And lastly, some other good budget cards are (I would recommend you pick some, not all of these):
Dispel Hidden Strings Desperate Ritual Seething Song Past in Flames Burning Inquiry Faithless Looting Mystic Remora Underworld Breach Blood Moon Time Reversal Bonus Round Molten Psyche Mana Geyser Merchant Scroll Echo of Eons Commit / Memory Gitaxian Probe Vandalblast Blasphemous Act Serum Visions Misdirection Flusterstorm Tolarian Winds Ponder Frantic Search
Also, if you ever get bored/tired of Izzet, Nekusar, the Mindrazer can be built to function very well and in a similar manner with virtually all of the cards you already have (or will have).
(Note: Some people who play EDH are very particular about playing against people with good decks. If you see people act uneasy around you because your deck is "too good", just remember that you can always try to lower the power of your deck or find other people to play with.)
2 months ago
Hi KrenkoSobBoss. Many thanks for your compliments. I feel very honored and am happy to see that someone is taking note of my deck and is inspired by it. Feel free to upload your deck to tappedout and I will take my time and comment on it if you so wish. I strongly believe that it is a fuck deck to play and worth investing money in :)
First off, you have a very keen eye and, indeed, I discarded Isochron Scepter and put it back in just recently along with Temporal Manipulation, which by the way is the reason for that. I will update the primer in due time (probably in a week or so when I have my vacations). For now I'll give you the short answers to your questions.
Targets for Isochron Scepter:
With these cards you can go infinite with Temporal Manipulation, except with Mystical Tutor. With Narset's Reversal and Mystical Tutor you can go infinite with Nexus of Fate. Outside the combo I would put in any counterspell as you can bounce Isochron Scepter later on to put any of the above mentioned cards in to combo off. As for Time Stretch, I wouldn't play it. Too high CMC. That's also why I cut Enter the Infinite.
What were the latest changes....
2 months ago
Anyone claiming Spell Pierce is bad is insane. It's an amazing card in any playgroup that is tuned in any way. is a pretty big tax. However, it's not good as generic countermagic -- it's for crushing combos or protecting your combo.
If your playgroup isn't tuned to any degree, doesn't run many combos at all, and you're not using a combo wincon, replace Spell Pierce. If you're playing anything other than low power hyper casual commander, keep Spell Pierce and add more countermagic. Every blue deck should include Negate, Counterspell, Dispel.
Second, you have 14 taplands. This is horrible. I don't care what meta you're in, fix that. I'll give you some tips: River of Tears, Nimbus Maze, and Caves of Koilos are all really cheap and will make your manabase a lot better. Cut a handful of taplands for more basics -- they're great and in budget manabases they are necessary for making your deck work. Glacial Fortress, Isolated Chapel, Drowned Catacomb aren't too pricey and will make your manabase MUCH better. Tainted Field and Tainted Isle are pretty cheap.
2 months ago
Here are my recommended 5.
Obzedat, Ghost Council: Lack luster at 5 mana and difficult to cast with 4 pips. It also only hits 1 opponent.
Defiant Bloodlord: Costs too much and you already have sanguine bond and too other effects that do this.
2 months ago
I have to agree with JKRice and matti_4_4. You need more Gifts piles, the most obvious one being Languish/Ritual of Soot/Day of Judgment/Supreme Verdict/Damnation/AEtherize. I think 4x Path to Exile and Lingering Souls is perfectly fine, but you may want to supplement them with more removal. Especially with removal that helps make more Gift piles and has lifegain. Unfortunately, since this is a budget deck, you're not playing a fourth/fifth color for stuff like Lightning Helix. You may have to use something like Oath of Kaya.
Your hardest matchups are Burn and Tron. Other decks you can just 1-for-1 them and then bamboozle their deck with a single Gifts Ungiven. Burn eats away quickly at your life total, while Tron is the same speed as you but it has much better cards. The easiest way to deal with both of these decks game one is Inquisition of Kozilek. You take away those Goblin Guides and Expedition Maps before things get too out of control. You also need a sideboard to further help deal with these two archetypes. Kor Firewalker dumpsters Burn, while you'll need stuff like Disenchant and Rain of Tears to deal with Tron.
Blood Baron of Vizkopa is super-secret tech. It can't die against most of the decks in Modern and helps you play around graveyard hate when they can eat your Unburial Rites. It's not a card you need in game one, though. You don't want to have too many win conditions between your maindeck creatures and manlands. You probably don't need 2x Grave Titan for similar reasons. I'd suggest cutting at least one of them.
Lastly, if you're having trouble deciding what removal to use, go with silver-bullet hard counterspells. Stuff like Dispel, Spell Snare, Absorb, and Essence Scatter can go a long way. The only issue is that you're already really strong against other control decks, which is where these cards usually shine. They do, however, make Mystical Teachings more appealing as a "fifth" copy of Gifts Ungiven.
4 months ago
Most of my experience with infect comes from playing simic, but I have played the mechanic in all 5 colors. In terms of power, green is the most effective color to play by a very VERY large margin. You get access to the best infect creature in Glistener Elf (along with the slower and safer option of Blight Mamba), you get trample sources to push through damage with Ichorclaw Myr such as Rancor, Predator's Strike, and Larger Than Life, you get protection bundled with buffs in the form of Vines of Vastwood, Ranger's Guile, and Blossoming Defense, and you get the largest pool of very strong power boosts in the form of Mutagenic Growth, Invigorate, Scale Up, Might of Old Krosa, Berserk, Become Immense, Groundswell, Phytoburst, Noble Hierarch, and Pendelhaven. Since infect is an all-or-nothing sort of archetype, even when running the less aggressive versions, the most important characteristics that you need are speed, protection, and evasion. Green offers two of those things in spades but can struggle with evasion. This is why blue is generally considered the next best color to run. You get the insane threat of Blighted Agent, unblockable buffs with Distortion Strike and Aqueous Form, and protection from spells via Spell Pierce, Dispel, Turn Aside, and the odd Spellskite. Black is the next best. Plague Stinger's flying isn't as good as the unblockable on a Blighted Agent but it's still very powerful evasion as illustrated by the ubiquity of Inkmoth Nexus in every non-budget infect list ever made. Black also nets useful control tools like Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, Fatal Push, Dismember, and Assassin's Trophy. White was considered the worst infect color for a very long time since its best option (Apostle's Blessing) can be used in any deck, but the recent introduction of Giver of Runes has breathed some life back into the color. Additionally, I've seen a lot of equipment lists popping up that use Colossus Hammer, Kor Duelist, Sigarda's Aid, and Kor Outfitter to see some success. Unfortunately, that leaves red as the current worst color to run in infect. It has some decent buffs but they pale in comparison to green's offerings. The result is that most red infect decks rely on gimmicks like using Razor Swine's first strike to wither enemy creatures, generating infinite mana to pump into an unblocked Ogre Menial, or putting Phyresis on something like a Spikeshot Elder to bypass combat altogether. Your instant tricks definitely fall in this category. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. If your meta is casual enough, red should still work and it will be much more interesting to play with / fun to play against than a more traditional deck. How competitive you want to be is always up to you.
To answer your specific questions, I would probably start by cutting a few creatures. Most lists run about 12 infect sources (and that's including a playset of Inkmoth Nexus). With Hand of the Praetors on your top end, running 16-20 isn't that unreasonable, at least as long as all of them are good. Infect creatures usually become "bad" when they cost more than 2. That's why I wouldn't usually recommend running Ichor Rats or Septic Rats. Both Necropede and Plague Myr are perfectly acceptable inclusions with very similar power levels. They'll rarely be better than Plague Stinger or Ichorclaw Myr but that's okay if you just want more guys to play. As for Vector Asp, it's honestly a pretty bad choice in most circumstances. While you usually won't need to activate it more than 2 or 3 times to win the game, that mana would be better spent elsewhere, and it doesn't even trigger the Hand. However, given the choice of it and a 3-drop, I'd probably take the snake, especially since it would be your only proactive play on turn 1 (barring the inclusion of Glistener Elf or Inkmoths). Better though would just be to run neither and invest in more buff spells to assist in combat and trigger Livewire Lash. I do like the idea of those spells having cycling in theory, but in practice, the mana needed to cycle can short you of the resources needed to close out the game. Plus, cycling spells tend to cost more to account for the added ability. Cycling lands on the other hand should be fine as long as they come in untapped, although it looks like that only describes Ash Barrens and Blasted Landscape. Just like with creatures, I wouldn't run any spells that cost more than 2 unless they can win you the game like Soul's Fire can. This will also allow you to run 20 lands or fewer, opening up even more slots for gas. I apologize if I'm repeating myself about the low-cost-high-speed thing but that is basically the reason the infect mechanic exists. If you prefer a slow and more controlling style, Rakdos wither built around Necroskitter is a fun option that has some overlap with infect.