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Land — Island Swamp
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As Watery Grave enters the battlefield, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, Watery Grave enters the battlefield tapped.
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Watery Grave Discussion
2 weeks ago
As far as lands go,
Are all some pretty good staples. They will help you bring up that blue mana % without losing out on the black mana you need. It will keep your deck consistent in obtaining color profile.
2 weeks ago
Nice Deck, but there is some room for card improvement in it. Start off by adding Hinterland Harbor , and Breeding Pool , since you already have the other check and shock lands. And don't forget Watery Grave either. I would also consider adding fetch lands: Polluted Delta , Verdant Catacombs , and Misty Rainforest . Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also pretty much a better version of a swamp as well. Filter lands would also be useful like Twilight Mire , Flooded Grove , and Sunken Ruins . You don't really need Bounce Lands like Simic Growth Chamber , but they are ok if you want to keep them. I would prefer to have fast lands though: Blooming Marsh , Botanical Sanctum , and Darkslick Shores . The other Horizon land would also be helpful, I believe it is called Waterlogged Grove . These lands should hopefully make your deck a lot better! If you find any of these suggestions useful I would appreciate it if you upvote my deck: A Deal With the Devil EDH! Have a great day, hope these suggestions help, and good luck on your deck.
2 weeks ago
I would recommend adding the following lands: Polluted Delta , Watery Grave , Drowned Catacomb , Prismatic Vista , Choked Estuary , Darkslick Shores , and Sunken Hollow . Otherwise, nice deck! If you end up using any of these suggestions I would appreciate if you upvote my deck: A Deal With the Devil EDH. Good luck on your deck, hope this helps, and have a nice day!
2 weeks ago
Add the Grixis land group: I would consider some of the following: Crumbling Necropolis Watery Grave Steam Vents Cascade Bluffs Sulfur Falls Sulfurous Springs Spirebluff Canal Scalding Tarn Drowned Catacomb Shivan Reef Graven Cairns Bloodstained Mire Sunken Ruins Dragonskull Summit Blackcleave Cliffs Prismatic Vista Foreboding Ruins Sunken Hollow Smoldering Marsh Blood Crypt Choked Estuary Polluted Delta
2 weeks ago
Nice Deck, the only thing I would do is add some other kinds of lands, especially some of the following: Watery Grave , Hallowed Fountain , Glacial Fortress , Flooded Strand , Marsh Flats , and Polluted Delta . Otherwise, pretty good deck.
2 weeks ago
Blue Sun's Zenith is an interesting infinite mana outlet, but it is only going to kill one opponent at a time (assuming you have no way to tutor it back out of your deck). I think Exsanguinate is better, if only because it is a 'kill everyone' type of deal.
Vintage Xerox cards, like your Brainstorm , are a good way to filter through cards you don't want to get to those you do; cantrips like these seem underwhelming, but are banned in Modern and (some) are restricted in Vintage for a reason. I suggest adding Ponder and Preordain to the mix, as they can provide a lot of card selection and make marginal opening sevens much better.
Your lands have, like DemMeowsephs indicates, a lot of room for improvement. If you want your Brainstorm to be the best it can be, land-generated shuffle effects are the way to go. While the Onslaught/Zendikar fetches are the gold-standard here (like Polluted Delta or Scalding Tarn ), they are also roughly to price of gold; slightly more affordable options include Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds , Prismatic Vista , Bad River , Rocky Tar Pit ... Shock lands ( Steam Vents , Watery Grave and Blood Crypt , for this deck) are a good option, especially since they can be fetched with Bad River or Rocky Tar Pit . Chromatic lands, like City of Brass , Mana Confluence or even a well-timed Reflecting Pool are also great ETB-untapped sources of mana. Finally, I think you're running too many lands; generally, if you aren't a lands-matter oriented deck, you want to run around thirty-three at most. I suggest replacing four or five lands with mana-rocks, which will speed up your deck a lot.
Speaking of rocks, I'm glad to see you're already running the signets in addition to Sol Ring . In non-green color identities it's tough to ramp, and their inclusion shows you already recognize how powerful artifact ramp is. I suggest Talisman of Creativity , Talisman of Indulgence and Talisman of Dominance in addition to the signets. Two-mana ramp is significantly better than three-mana ramp, since by turn three you want to be doing things more relevant to the board; this becomes easier if you ramped on two, thus having four mana turn three. To that end, I suggest replacing some of your three-mana ramp with two mana ramp. Options include Prismatic Lens , Thought Vessel , Everflowing Chalice , Coldsteel Heart , Fire Diamond / Charcoal Diamond / Sky Diamond (I like these the least), and the soon-to-release Arcane Signet (hopefully its price will drop once the Throne of Eldraine releases).
Mass card-draw is at a premium in EDH, where doing busted things requires that you have a critical mass of busted cards. If you have the money, Wheel of Fortune is a second, better Windfall to pair with your Narset, Parter of Veils . As it has a similar but more powerful effect in conjunction with the Windfall effects, I suggest you bring in Notion Thief from your sideboard. I've always had a soft spot for cards like your Syphon Mind , as draw-threes are also great; consider Painful Truths . That's a card I've been very impressed with in my Tasigur, the Golden Fang list, and I think it'll be good in any three-color black deck. Mystic Remora is a great card that can be an easy Ancestral Recall if you drop it at the right time, especially in less experienced/less cutthroat metas.
In Magic, it is perhaps as important to stop your opponents from doing things as it is to do things yourself. If you choose not to run Notion Thief (or even if you do), Night of Souls' Betrayal is a brutal card to consider. Ashiok, Dream Render tends to be a pain for most decks (as the vast majority of decks try to tutor, at least in some way), and a REAL pain for graveyard decks.
Grixis, especially with Nicol Bolas-y decks, has access to a whole suite of discard magic not available to other commander identities. It takes a lot of crafting, but building a deck with Waste Not in mind can be really nice. Mass-discard, similar to your Syphon Mind and general's ETB trigger, keeps pressure on your opponents' hands and will help prevent them from killing you. Consider Raven's Crime , which turns late game land-blanks into repeatable one-for-ones, and Words of Waste , which can make your general's +2 all the more brutal.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
Lands are my favorite part of magic, so I'm quite particular about them. In a grixis deck, I would consider adding the following lands: Watery Grave Blood Crypt Dragonskull Summit Steam Vents Fiery Islet Bloodstained Mire Canyon Slough Graven Cairns Smoldering Marsh Sunken Ruins Drowned Catacomb Polluted Delta Sunken Hollow There are a lot more, maybe just look up "Grixis Lands" (Grixis means Red, Blue, Black) to find some more. In the meantime, I would use the ones above, because in commander life isn't always an issue, rather getting cards out with good lands.
2 weeks ago
Hey! I always thought Shrauum was a cool commander, and I love that you're running Zur's Weirding (it's one of my favorite cards). Here're some suggestions -- feel free to ignore any/all of them:
Xerox cards are your friend. Ponder and Preordain belong in pretty much any blue deck, as they can dig you to what you need and past what you don't. Being one mana means they make marginal opening sevens into acceptable hands. Similarly, Brainstorm is fully capable of being very good, though it requires more of a build-around. In order for it to be good, you need some cards to assure that you don't get Brainstorm -locked; that is, stuck with two cards you don't want on top of your library after resolving Brainstorm . The easiest way to deal with this is to simply crack a fetchland after resolution, as the shuffle-effect unlocks you. While the Onslaught and Zendikar fetches are the best for this, Evolving Wilds , Terramorphic Expanse , Prismatic Vista or even just Flood Plain or Bad River are good, too.
Currently, Narset, Parter of Veils is one of the most busted cards in EDH. Preventing decks from drawing extra cards essentially means she is a 'must answer' before anything else can happen, and if you pair her with your Windfall you can win the card-advantage war in one fell swoop; this interaction is also favorable with your Dark Deal .
Speaking of card-advantage, you are in the best colors for it. Fact or Fiction is a very good card, especially since you put the pile you don't choose into your graveyard. Since your general reanimates artifacts, this means the card is straight card-advantage. Treasure Cruise and Painful Truths are two draw-threes I've been very impressed with, mainly due to their frequently low casting cost. Dig Through Time is one that is good too, though I don't advise running it and Treasure Cruise at the same time, as delve can get in its own way. I think Treasure Cruise is better if you want to keep your combos secondary, and Dig Through Time , which provides more card selection and less card advantage, is good if you want your combos to take the front seat.
As you mention in your description, your landbase can use some work. This, I think, is actually not as big a deal as one might think though, since you have a lot of very good two-mana mana-rocks that produce your colors. Still, if you're looking to improve the deck, this is an area with potential. If you end up running fetch lands, be they Onslaught, Zendikar or Slow (see (1)'s Flood Plain ), you should at least run the on-color shock lands. Godless Shrine , Hallowed Fountain and Watery Grave can all enter untapped, and being able to grab them with a fetch land means their odds of coming out in a game go up drastically. You may want to run them even sans fetches. Mana Confluence and City of Brass are good, as they are tri-lands that ETB untapped. The check lands (that is, Drowned Catacomb , Glacial Fortress and Isolated Chapel ) are only a few dollars now and offer consistent improvement. The pain lands ( Underground River , Adarkar Wastes and Caves of Koilos ) should also be considered.
One card that I think you should test with is Bitter Ordeal . This IS a combo card, but I think it is likely better than most of the other ways to profit off infinite death/ETB triggers associated with your general + copying artifact combo. There are several reasons I say this. One, it is a sorcery. This means that, if you choose to run Mystical Tutor (which I suggest you do), it can find the payoff half of your combo; right now, this would only be true if you run Enlightened Tutor (I also advise this). Running an artifact/enchantment payoff to grab with Enlightened Tutor and another sorcery-based payoff to grab with Mystical Tutor means that you can tutor for a win-condition card off either of the tutors. Second, there are fewer answers to a sorcery than a permanent. Winning with Disciple of the Vault or Altar of the Brood requires that they stay on the field throughout the resolution of the combo; a well timed Abrupt Decay , Isolate or Swords to Plowshares / Nature's Claim means lights out. While Bitter Ordeal can be countered, so can the permanents; running Bitter Ordeal just means you narrow the number of possible answers your opponents can have. Third and finally, Bitter Ordeal is really only stopped by a Leyline of Sanctity effect. It is worth noting that there are ways that opponents can prevent being milled out by Altar of the Brood (like running Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and even benefit from it ( Tasigur, the Golden Fang or Whisper, Blood Liturgist come to mind), and ways that they can avoid dying to infinite drain ( Lich , Platinum Emperion and Platinum Angel come to mind). Again, Bitter Ordeal just limits the number of answers opponents can have.
Alright. That's all I got. Good luck!
Watery Grave occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.89%
All decks: 0.58%
UB (Dimir): 51.83%
All decks: 0.35%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.19%
UB (Dimir): 3.02%
WUB (Esper): 1.74%
UBR (Grixis): 1.69%
BUG (Sultai): 1.92%