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Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
3 days ago
Hey man! I have a few suggestions; feel free to ignore any/all of them.
In Vintage, there's an idea called 'Xerox.' This refers to replacing a small portion of your land-base with low-cost cantrips, which can help you find lands if you need them, or dig you past them if you don't. The best ones currently available are Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm ; I suggest you at least run Ponder and Preordain instead of two Snow-Covered Island s. The reason I'm not so adamant about Brainstorm is that, sans land-based shuffle effects, you're very likely to get stuck with cards you don't want on top of your deck a good amount of the time. If you want to run it, I suggest running at least four fetch lands (like Prismatic Vista or Flooded Strand ). Other cantrips to consider are: Sleight of Hand , Impulse , Serum Visions , Opt , etc.
I don't know how this deck plays, but I do not think the Urza's lands are very good in EDH. It takes some effort to assemble tron in a four-of, sixty card format like modern; in EDH, getting all three of these specific lands can be a huge amount more trouble than it's worth. I suggest just running basic Island s instead, since these produce blue mana and don't die to your own Back to Basics or an opposing Blood Moon / Ruination / Wasteland .
I don't know what the budget on this deck is, but since you're running Power Artifact , I assume it's high. I suggest running Grim Monolith in addition to your Basalt Monolith -- the Power Artifact -combo still works, and this one has the advantage of being mana-positive if you cast it early game.
Mox Opal is really good. It's about $100, but in an artifact deck it is always an all star. If able, run it; if you can't but your group allows proxies, print one out.
I don't think the Darksteel Forge -with- Nevinyrral's Disk combo is very good. It's a lot of mana to get online, and your opponents will have a turn to react (since Nevinyrral's Disk ETBs tapped). I think more mana rocks, like Mind Stone or Everflowing Chalice , are probably better. Especially since you already have Cyclonic Rift with a Mystical Tutor to get it.
Since I've never played with this list, I don't know exactly how the games will go. However, if you find them going long frequently enough (maybe around 50% of the time), you may have some luck with Muddle the Mixture as a tutor. Normally, I dislike this card, as the transmute ability is only sorcery speed and three mana can be a lot to pay. However, it gets so many pieces of your combos, I think it may be worth including; it can fetch up Isochron Scepter , Dramatic Reversal , Power Artifact and (if you should choose to run it) Grim Monolith . It also can get non-combo cards like Cyclonic Rift in a pinch.
There're some cool U artifact tutors to consider. If you want cards on par with your Power Artifact , Transmute Artifact is a pretty busted card that'll grab your combo pieces when you need them. (Side note: Basalt Monolith also goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth ; idk if you want to run it, but I figured I'd mention it.) Reshape can be a redundant, if significantly less powerful, Whir of Invention .
You may benefit from two or three more mass card-draw effects. I think you should run either Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (but not both, since delve can get in its own way), as well as one or two other spells like Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Chemister's Insight , etc. Notice that, except for Treasure Cruise , these are all instants.
I think you may have overlooked Spell Snare as a counterspell. I think this card is, in general, highly underrated in EDH; however, I think it would be especially good here. It is a hard counter for a very frequent CMC, and can easily get rid of an unwanted Demonic Tutor , Sylvan Library or Cyclonic Rift . Better yet, it counters Null Rod , Collector Ouphe , Stony Silence , Kataki, War's Wage , Gaddock Teeg , Thorn of Amethyst and Lavinia, Azorius Renegade . It's cheap enough that leaving up mana for it isn't a problem, and it can keep you from getting hosed pretty well.
1 week ago
With cards like Thousand-Year Storm , Firebrand Archer , Electrostatic Field , etc. the quantity of spells you're casting (not just copying) is important. I would recommend looking at trying to reduce some of the bigger "bomb" spells for more churn through (and much cheaper to cast) advantage. Brainstorm , Gitaxian Probe , Impulse , stuff like that which let you not only fill up your graveyard but also get your storm count up are going to provide more value overall compared with even things like Time Stretch . The other thing is that again, with storm damage (which seems to be the primary win condition of the deck), copying spells (especially though abilities) is not as powerful as just casting more spells.
2 weeks ago
Hey man! I got a few suggestions:
Vintage Xerox-style cards are very powerful in EDH. Ponder and Preordain belong in pretty much any blue deck, and Brainstorm is good if you put in three or four more fetch lands to prevent yourself from getting Brainstorm -locked. Between them, these three will make sure you get to what you need and past what you don't; they may not look good, but they're busted. Some fetches (outside the Zendikar/Onslaught cycles) to consider: Grasslands , Flood Plain , Bad River (which will all grab your Hallowed Fountain and Prairie Stream ), Evolving Wilds , Prismatic Vista , etc.
Swords to Plowshares is the best spot-removal in the game... I suggest running it, even though I'm generally against one-for-ones in EDH as usually they're simply not efficient enough; however, Swords to Plowshares is one mana, does not ramp your opponent like Path to Exile , and a single one-for-one is alright.
Narset, Parter of Veils is an EXCELLENT card I see you're running. Consider universal mass-draw to accompany her: Timetwister is the best, but as it costs the same as a used car, Windfall is a much more common option.
You've got a good amount of artifact ramp, but there're some other rocks you should consider. Talisman of Progress is a really good two-mana mana-rock you should consider, and Voltaic Key / Manifold Key pair well with your Mana Vault and Basalt Monolith . Even if your general is flickering the vault so it enters untaps, the keys will make two additional mana.
Whir of Invention is an artifact-tutor to consider. If you have access, Transmute Artifact and Reshape are also great. These will get whatever Stax piece you need, or, more likely, find your Isochron Scepter if you have Dramatic Reversal in hand.
Silence is a good form of combo-protection. On the turn you want to go off, it can be difficult to ensure that you're not facing any counter magic. Silence is a must-counter that you can use to blank an opponent's turn if necessary.
There are some other flicker-able cards in your colors you should consider. Watcher for Tomorrow is a good way to Impulse every time you trigger your general. Rishadan Cutpurse is similar to your Rishadan Footpad , though being less mana to cast is significant; since Rishadan Footpad is four mana, it'll be competing with your general to be cast. I'm not sure if it's quite good enough for a final list, but I've seen Ichor Wellspring in a lot of Brago lists. If you choose to run snow-covered basics, Arcum's Astrolabe seems straight better than the wellspring. Finally, Snapcaster Mage can be BUSTED if you have the funds to get ahold of it.
I see you have the Archaeomancer + Temporal Manipulation loop. Have you considered Savor the Moment instead of Temporal Manipulation ? If you flicker your general and three mana in rocks, you can pull off the loop with less mana (your general untaps the mana and himself).
Good luck! Hope this helps.
4 weeks ago
I see, this might be the swap I'll also make.
Do you think we need some more card selection like Ponder or is it pushing too far?
1 month ago
I see a few areas for improvement:
So one of the main reasons to play green is the mana dorks. You should at least be running Birds of Paradise , Llanowar Elves and Elves of Deep Shadow , and you should probably be running a few more as well. Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Priest of Titania , Arbor Elf , Bloom Tender , Boreal Druid and Deathrite Shaman are also worth considering.
Card-draw is a big part of EDH. Distant Melody is good in any tribal deck, and depending on your typical board presence Slate of Ancestry may be worth considering, too. Fact or Fiction , Painful Truths , Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time , Night's Whisper , Windfall , Harmonize and Concentrate are also good draw-spells. Sylvan Library and Phyrexian Arena are good pieces of permanent-based card-advantage. Mystic Remora is excellent, if transient, and at more inexperienced tables it can easily be an Ancestral Recall .
Your mana-base is worth rethinking, too. Overgrown Tomb , Breeding Pool and Watery Grave are all relatively affordable these days (because of the reprint), and City of Brass and Mana Confluence are worth running in a three-color deck, too. Depending on your budget, you may want to run fetch-lands like Polluted Delta or Prismatic Vista ; lower-budget options include Bad River , Flood Plain or the other slow-fetches. Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse , too. Llanowar Wastes , Yavimaya Coast , Underground River , Waterlogged Grove , Nurturing Peatland , Hinterland Harbor , Woodland Cemetery and Drowned Catacomb are more good dual-lands.
If you do end up running any sort of fetches, you'll have a bunch of shuffle-effects. This means Brainstorm becomes a powerful spell, as you can shuffle away bad cards while digging for the ones you want. Ponder , Preordain and Impulse are great as well.
Tutors are great -- then you don't even need to bother digging, as you can just go get what you want. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold standard, but as a pair they'll likely run you around $100. Diabolic Tutor , Lim-Dul's Vault and Dark Petition are all far more accessible. Mystical Tutor and Worldly Tutor are also good, though I don't think they'd be as good as the non-restricted tutors.
You also need to consider removal. Toxic Deluge , Pernicious Deed , Damnation , Decree of Pain and Cyclonic Rift are all great boardwipes. Nature's Claim , Krosan Grip , Casualties of War , Assassin's Trophy , Abrupt Decay , Windgrace's Judgment and Ashes to Ashes are good forms of spot-removal.
Finally, you might want to consider a reanimation package. Entomb or Buried Alive paired with Animate Dead , Reanimate , Dance of the Dead or Necromancy is a great way to get fatties out fast. Reanimating Grave Titan , Massacre Wurm or Inkwell Leviathan can swing the game in your favor real fast.
1 month ago
Yo! Always nice to see a new Kess list... it's my go-to cEDH deck.
If you're digging for specific combo pieces, Plunge into Darkness is really good -- the problem is that it is often competing with Ad Nauseam for your life total. My Kess list runs Impulse over Plunge into Darkness because in Storm, I often don't need a specific card, but rather a specific kind of card; in Doomsday-style decks, in my experience your digging for exactly Demonic Consultation , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries or Laboratory Maniac . I think it's probably a good card to run, if only because it is very good as a top ten-twenty tutor.
Consider Doomsday . I don't have the concentration and/or the brainpower to make it work, but I understand that with enough of each it can be a one-card win.
Depending on your meta, I'd cut Stranglehold before Ashiok, Dream Render . Being three mana means Ashiok is not going to compete with Kess to be cast, and the graveyard exile effect is not a small plus.
I'm not sure Go for the Throat is good enough to merit inclusion in a cEDH deck. It's a limited one-for-one at best, and there are other cards you may want to consider running over it. Except against fat elf decks, you're not likely to face down a creature at a cEDH table with CMC more than four or five. (Note that this is my experience; if it isn't yours, feel free to ignore me). This means you're not going to be getting much of a mana-spent advantage. Also, in any EDH game you're facing down two or, more often, three opponents, meaning you're facing roughly two to three times the number of cards you have. So one-for-one's aren't usually going to be good enough; counterspells are different, in that they can break up combos and thus become effectively a 'several-for-one.' I love that you're running Fire Covenant , as it is a paragon of the x-for-one idea. Consider Ashes to Ashes , Pyroclasm , Rolling Earthquake , or even just Fact or Fiction to replace it.
I highly suggest bringing Dack Fayden out of the Maybeboard to the Mainboard. Strictly speaking, cEDH is more similar to Vintage than it is similar to any other magic format, and being able to nab someone else's Mana Crypt , Sol Ring or similar is a huge play. Also, the Faithless Looting every turn isn't exactly insignificant either.
Consider running Baral, Chief of Compliance . His discount effect is good with Intuition , Frantic Search or (if you choose to un-Maybeboard it) Remand , but more importantly his looting effect is useful for finding combo-pieces. Your list strikes me as being rather counter-heavy, and Baral makes your counterspells not only stop opponents, but actively help you as well.
Your deck's mana curve is very consistent and low. Consider including Sensei's Divining Top from the Maybeboard and then adding Counterbalance to the mix. I've obviously never played your specific list, but it looks like control is a significant element in what you're trying to do. Getting the counter-top combo going is a good way to control the game without worrying about losing the card-advantage war.
Good luck man! The list looks good overall!
1 month ago
Have you tried Dramatic Reversal with Isochron Scepter ? Typically you'll have the rocks out to make it an instant win. I think this combo is likely more competitive than Palinchron loops, if only because it's cheaper mana-wise and blue has more tutors for its parts. Whir of Invention is a personal favorite, and Fabricate is similar. Mystical Tutor , Muddle the Mixture , Personal Tutor and Spellseeker also tutor for the combo parts. Even if you choose not to run the Dramatic Scepter Combo, I think the tutors are worth running.
Other infinite mana CI=U combos include Rings of Brighthearth with your Basalt Monolith or Grim Monolith , and Metalworker with Staff of Domination . If you want to keep the Palinchron loops, try High Tide .
Mana Vault is good, if you have access to it.
Ponder , Preordain and Impulse are all cantrips worth considering. I like that you're running Fact or Fiction ; have you considered Glimmer of Genius , Thirst for Knowledge , Chemister's Insight and Windfall ? Running Narset, Parter of Veils with Windfall can produce an insta-win.
Why're you running Unknown Shores ? I think just a basic Island is better, and Ancient Tomb is GREAT in artifact-decks. Similarly, if you're not running Mox Opal , I think Seat of the Synod and Darksteel Citadel are worse than basic Island s. They die to Null Rod / Stony Silence effects, and they're soft to Blood Moon and Back to Basics . If you choose to make your land-base more basic-heavy, you can run Back to Basics yourself, likely to great effect.
Creature-stealing effects can be good in EDH, especially since they can remove threats as well as produce them; I like your running Desertion . Sower of Temptation , Vedalken Shackles , Control Magic and Treachery are also worth considering.
Instant-speed bounce effects can help fight Stony Silence and Null Rod on the other side of the table, as well as control opposing pressure. Chain of Vapor , Cyclonic Rift , Winds of Rebuke and/or Boomerang ?
Lodestone Golem is a stax piece you should consider. Depending on which combo you want to run, Arcane Laboratory is worth considering. Running Clock of Omens with Winter Orb , Howling Mine or Static Orb is also a way to control the game. Counterbalance with your Sensei's Divining Top -- just saying.
Good luck, man!
1 month ago
Congrats on your first EDH deck! Here're my suggestions. Feel free to ignore them if you want.
Training Grounds makes Memnarch into : Steal target permanent. I don't know if it'd be great, but it's certainly worth testing out. It's similar to your Heartstone . Power Artifact is similar, though I think slightly worse and far more expensive.
If you have access to it, Mana Vault is a great card. It is especially powerful if combined with something like Aphetto Alchemist or your Voltaic Key . Basalt Monolith and Manifold Key are two other cards to consider in this vein.
Mana rocks like Sky Diamond , Coldsteel Heart or the soon-to-come-out Arcane Signet are good includes to generate blue mana. Fellwar Stone is a similar rock that generally will produce blue, as blue is the most common color in EDH (and the rest of magic).
Running Vintage Xerox cantrips can be very helpful; this means replacing some lands with low cost draw spells. Running cards like Ponder and Preordain in addition to your Brainstorm will allow you to run thirty-two-ish lands. Impulse , Sleight of Hand and even Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe are good also, though these aren't AS good as Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . Using a Xerox design like this means that you can find lands if you need them, or use the draw spells to avoid getting flooded when you don't.
Pairing Memnarch with Karn, the Great Creator allows you to use your general's first ability to turn off opposing lands. While EDH does not typically have a sideboard, so Karn, the Great Creator 's second ability is usually irrelevant, the one-sided Null Rod effect is probably enough reason to include him.
Regarding your lands, Ancient Tomb is at a relatively low price nowadays; I suggest picking one up if you can. I don't think Darksteel Citadel is as good as a basic Island , if only because it gets shut off by opposing Null Rod s, Karn, the Great Creator s, Blood Moon s and Back to basics and does not produce mana. Same with Seat of the Synod , though this one DOES make mana. I get these lands are meant to build metalcraft; see suggestion 15. Inventors' Fair is worth considering because of its tutor effect.
Vedalken Archmage is a good way to build card-advantage.
Dispel and Flusterstorm are two good counterspells to consider adding, although the second one isn't super cheap. Cryptic Command is also a pretty penny, but as a cantrip-ing usually-counterspell, it is an excellent card. Spell Pierce and Spell Snare are worth considering as well.
Tezzeret the Seeker ? He's a great 'walker for any artifact deck, and in the non-foil form he's about $20.
If your meta is filled with combo decks (I know mine is), Arcane Laboratory can put a stop to that. Overburden is a good way to slow down elf-decks and other aggro strategies, and Lodestone Golem is just plain good. Back to Basics is awesome in mono-blue decks. Note that some of these stax pieces may disrupt your Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal win.
Mindlock Orb ? If you choose not to follow Suggestion 9, this thing does work.
Unless you're running a bunch of 0-cost artifact rocks, I don't think Stoic Rebuttal is good enough. Metalcraft is really good if you can get it online turn one or two with the help of Mox Opal or Mox Diamond , but if you can't get it online early, you're better off running something like Exclude or Mana Leak . Because the good 0-mana artifacts are about as much money as a half-used kidney, I don't think it's worth pursuing the metalcraft theme.
I think changing your Island s to Snow-Covered Island s and running Extraplanar Lens is probably better than Caged Sun . It's cheaper mana-wise, which means it can help you ramp out your general faster. (Once you have six mana for Caged Sun , you can almost cast your general anyways.) That being said, I've never been in love with Extraplanar Lens either, and I think just running other mana rocks like Thought Vessel is probably the best rout there.
Consider Sower of Temptation , Treachery or Control Magic . I had a lot of fun with those when I played mono-blue, as they can steal the game right away from an opponent. Similarly, if you have access to Academy Ruins and Mind Slaver , you can end up being two players instead of one.
Alright man, that's all I got for now. I'm sure after I go to bed I'll think of more suggestions, so if you need more help let me know. Good luck and have fun and stuff!
Impulse occurrence in decks from the last year
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