Stubborn Denial

Instant

Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays {1}.

Ferocious — If you control a creature with power 4 or greater, counter that spell instead.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (46)

Crow_Umbra on Swift Blade, Broken Arrow

1 month ago

I've been brewing and playing Goro-Goro and Satoru recently, they're a lot of fun. Have you had a chance to play this deck irl yet, or still play testing?

I think you're pretty light on the mana department, between a low land count and not much ramp beyond Sol Ring and Ragavan. I get that a lot of your creatures are small and fast, but you could probably cut some to open up some slots for land and ramp.

Aside from that, I'd recommend checking out some of the following creatures with Dash, or "pseudo-Dash":

• Death-Greeter's Champion - The Backup 1 will grant another creature Double Strike. Especially with the many small, fast, & evasive creatures you currently have in the list, this could be gas. With the way G-G&S is worded, combat damage from Double Strike will net you 2 Dragon Spirit tokens.

• Shatterskull Charger - Just never pay the Kicker cost lol.

• Archwing Dragon - Doesn't have Dash, but it's a beefier body that can get replayed.

• Flamerush Rider - Repeatable means of making a hasty token copy of something on your board.

• Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury - G-G&S want to crank out Dragon Spirit tokens, & Kolaghan anthems up your team based on the number of attacking dragons you control.

Some other stuff that can work in the deck:

• Stubborn Denial - The Ferocious clause should be fairly easy to pull of in a deck that is pumping out Dragon Spirit tokens.

• Flamewake Phoenix - Self-recurring hasty & evasive body as long as you're hitting that Ferocious clause.

• Cursed Mirror - ETBs as a copy of any creature around the battlefield, and has Haste on top of that. Excellent mana rock for this deck.

I hope these suggestions are helpful. Best of luck with your brewing.

The_Warleader on Kucklebeast Beatdown *Help Wanted*

2 months ago

Hey there! I loved Khans block. Standard and draft were so fun and dynamic :)

Anyway, I highly recommend you check out the current gruul aggro archetype in Pioneer and try and adapt your deck to match that power level: Gruul Midrange in Pioneer

I would shoot for taking this as a template and splashing blue for the fun cards like Savage Knuckleblade and maybe Temur Ascendancy. And I HIGHLY recommend you include 4 Stubborn Denial. From a competitive perspective, it's probably the only real reason to splash blue in Gruul and if you're already doing that for fun/nostalgia, you might as well include it. Plus, it's from Khans block! Anyway, I hope this helps and welcome back to Magic!

BlobHobbit on Kucklebeast Beatdown *Help Wanted*

2 months ago

I think the first thing to do is simply state that Pioneer is a faster format than Standard and most decks are also much more powerful because you have a broader range of access cardwise, so there would be certain cards I would recommend taking out and replacing just so the deck can keep up. Secondly, the best themes in your deck seem to be activated creature abilities along with "Ferocious" creatures and abilities. Not all the cards in the deck necessarily suit this theme.

Cards I recommend putting in: Training Grounds - This card recently had a reprint and it works extremely well with Knucklebeast as well as other cards like Shaman of the Great Hunt.

Ghor-Clan Rampager - Essentially an improvement on Boon Satyr with better stats and a better keyword as a creture with the ability to effectively buff a creature by addinng it's keyword and stats to it. The ability is also 3 mana cheaper.

Fable of the Mirror-Breaker  ^Flip - It's an expensive card moneywise but worth it. For an explanation read the card XD.

Ilysian Caryatid - A newer version of Rattleclaw Mystic that improves when you have a "Ferocious" creature on field.

Lovestruck Beast - Fits the power 4 or greater theme perfectly and the one drop effect can help you curve out better. Good replacement for Heir of the Wilds

Migloz, Maze Crusher - 4/4 with lots of extra utility.

The Akroan War - An improvement on Yasova Dragonclaw in my opinion as it can also help thin or even wipe your opponents board.

Honorable Mention: Llanowar Elves - Could play four more one drop mana dorks but this deck might not want to given it's playing 2 other colours.

There are probably more possible options but these are ones that stick in my mind

Cards I would definitely take out: Ashcloud Phoenix - this is too expensive mana-wise for what it is and there a more useful cards you can play in the slots it's taking up.

Boon Satyr - Just to expensive generally for this format and there is an obvious better option.

Polukranos, World Eater - It's a four drop that outside of what is effectively a sacrifice ability has no function but being a 5/5, a role than can be filled by Lovestruck Beast

Crater's Claws and Icy Blast - X cost interaction of this kind has it's uses but generally never is played in Pioneer because it's normally worse than useless against Control decks with counterspells. Playing Stubborn Denial in your main deck feels so much better as it goes from a slightly worse spell pierce to a one drop Counterspell just by you playing the deck.

Rattleclaw Mystic - Tri-colour mana dorks are outdated nowadays really and the Morph ability doesn't make up for this, there are just better cards.

Another thing is that the mana base really would need some improvement because the speed of Pioneer is not very favourable towards anything more than two colours without playing some combination of shock, fast or pain lands along with a few basics.

I hope this is helpful for you and wish you the best of luck in any games you play

DreadKhan on Abaddon Let Chaos Reign(old deck)

4 months ago

I have a Chaos deck, maybe a few of the cards would work here too? I'm a huge fan of Exquisite Blood, even if you play it without the combo, the effect has big synergy with your Commander's ability, and it helps keep you alive when you're ahead. Another enchantment that works with Esquisite Blood (and your Commander) is Rite of the Raging Storm, this is often good for damage and it makes everyone else play way more cautiously (because anyone but you can be stuck taking 15 damage in a cycle if they can't handle the tokens). Rite itself likes a number of other cards that might work here too, one really sneaky one is Mask of Griselbrand, Lifelink is useful (and stacks with Blood), Flying is useful, and the card draw can be very powerful, obviously this is hilarious with Rite since you can equip the token with the Mask, at which point it's probably getting in for damage and when it dies inevitably you can draw 5 cards. It seems like a good piece of gear for your Commander especially. Berserkers' Onslaught is a funny card sometimes, you do need some kind of board, but even your Commander is openly terrifying with Double Strike. Another card that Rite and your Commander both would love is Dauthi Embrace, Shadow is really good evasion (you might look into Dauthi Voidwalker as well, very useful dual purpose card). Scavenged Brawler is a creature I'm testing in that deck atm, it seems good, offering a useful body that can be 'scavenged' when a wipe happens. If your deck doesn't run combos and is in Black Protection Racket can be a source of life loss for your Commander, your average MV is probably high enough to matter, it can also give cards. It will never give you any lands or 0 MV cards, so it's not a perfect card. Make an Example is a generically good card in my experience, you always get (at minimum) each opponent's most problematic creature. Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep and Shizo, Death's Storehouse are two cards that might help your Commander out, and they're untapped lands, very few drawbacks to those!

Cultural Exchange is a Blue Chaos feeling card I love, I can't decide if you've got enough tokens/creatures you don't care about to make it work, but if you can trade off some small stuff for the best stuff on board then you're doing good I think. I guess it doesn't say anything about untapping, so you can use it to open someone up to attack by trading away all their blockers for already tapped creatures in a pinch. Mass Diminish seems worse than stuff like Sudden Spoiling and Polymorphist's Jest (both great cards though!), but the ability to cast it twice is big, and the effect weirdly lasts a turn cycle, this can help eliminate 2 players sometimes.

Since you probably want your Commander out most of the time, have you considered Stubborn Denial? It's not Fierce Guardianship, but I find Guardianship to be obnoxious.

My final ideas are War Tax and War Cadence, Cadence can easily make your stuff unblockable if people are tapped out, Tax can make it very hard for people to attack in draw out games, but Cadence is probably the better fit.

Triton on Need ideas for mishra

5 months ago

Mishra is a ton of fun! The incremental value he provides is insane, and abusing/copying his trigger makes him unstoppable!

I tend to focus on artifact EtBs, LtBs, and sacrificing the Warforms for card advantage.

• Reaver Titan is an insane finisher

• Coveted Jewel is super fun to loop, feels like cheating with how much mana and cards you get out of looping this.

• Stubborn Denial protects Mishra when he hits the board.

Here's my decklist for inspiration:

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itsbuzzi on List of Bugs and Feature …

5 months ago

That's what appears to be happening but on the back end I have my accordion panel open, spoilers inside, then the endpanel. For some reason the panel is closing before the endpanel command.

For instance, where the panel first has an uncoded break is written exactly like this (copy and pasted):

Mono Green Karn Show

On the Play: In 1x Stubborn Denial 3x Portable Hole 2x Glass Casket 3x Hushbringer

Out 1x Springleaf Drum 2x Eater of Virtue 2x The Blackstaff of Waterdeep 1x Patchwork Automaton 2x Shadowspear 1x Bomat Courier

On the Draw: In 1x Stubborn Denial 3x Portable Hole 3x Hushbringer 3x Boros Charm

Out 3x Springleaf Drum 2x Eater of Virtue 2x The Blackstaff of Waterdeep 1x Patchwork Automaton 1x Ornithopter 1x Bomat Courier

Reasoning: In this match up we need to stop their Karn from hitting the field as that stops our artifacts from activating and is just a lot harder match up because they can search for things like Ratchet Bomb with a Karn. By countering the walkers and having a Hushbringer we stop their creatures from gaining them value and hopefully slow them down enough to win. After dealing with the previous mentions the deck becomes a Mono Green build so we still need to get by large blockers and swing backs and lifelink and trample can help us accomplish this. Eater of Virtue was removed as they don't pack much in the form of removal. On the play we will want access to as much removal as we can to slow them down. On the play we can use a 2 mana removal spell on their dork to slow them down and keep pressure on. On the draw we don't have the option to do this and so we opt for more removal in the form of Boros Charm where we can kill a walker with it if it comes down or finish the game with double strike or direct damage. Both on the play and draw The Blackstaff of Waterdeep is a bit slow and I would prefer having some Ornithopter as they can only block it with 1 playset of creatures they run. We also cut 1x Bomat Courier as it quickly gets supercedded by larger creatures and later can't activate if they have a Karn out. We don't cut them all as we can get 1 out and crack it before a Karn can hit.

The panel is closing right after the On the Play paragraph in this spoiler for some reason, but my endpanel is all the way at the end of the Specific Sideboard Guide.

I thought it may have been spaces or the omission of spaces but that appears to not be the case. It used to work previously and broke one day without my meddling with it.

Icbrgr on Minor Misstep

7 months ago

@Gidgetimer Im sorry im just a little confused... for Chalice of the Void its MV is {0} when in the deck/hand/battlfield/grave... but when you pay {1}{1} to cast it while it is on the stack it is recognized as a MV of {2} so Minor Misstep would not be able to counter it in this case.

Is that correct?.... if so why would Engineered Explosives or Prismatic Ending be any different?.... Would Leyline Binding be treated as a {1} MV spell if full Domain is active?

@wallisface that's actually a really good point in regards to answering something like W&6 when your on the draw... maybe your onto something with it being stronger in the late game than Spell Pierce and its more of a "keep your edge/grip/control" kinda card like to stave off a Fatal Push/Path to Exile/Lightning Bolt for a deck that is using somthing like Dragon's Rage Channeler/Delver of Secrets  ^Flip and something like Stubborn Denial doesn't quite fit?

Icbrgr on Minor Misstep

7 months ago

I agree... I can certainly see justification/meta calls as to why other options like Spell Snare/Ceremonious Rejection/Stubborn Denial would be preferred.

But dang this seem like a neat tool to consider now.