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Dovin's Veto Discussion
1 week ago
1 week ago
Ahem, so first things first - your lack of deck description makes things really difficult for me, or anyone to really give meaningful feedback as I along with you apparently don't know what you're trying to do with this deck. A good start however for writing up a good deck description would be Epochalyptik's Do you want to write a Primer?.
At first glace all I can say is that 46 Creatures is alot - almost half of your deck. While the creatures you chose all provide excellent value, maybe you could cut a few to make room for some more interaction - which your deck lacks severely. Having a few good removal options in form of:
Could buy you time, especially if your opponents keep removing your commander - which in my opinion is the deck's greatest strength and weakness. Since you're in blue, it never hurts to spec into some counter magic:
You can at least have some say when your opponents target your board when you start to get out of control as you cast more and more things. I remember seeing an interesting post about Chulane on the cEDH subreddit, this particular post detailed a bunch of combos - i'll leave the post here but here's just a sample:
posted by shay0n:
Chulane, Teller of Tales
(known as Triggerbois)
- Have Chulane and Aluren on battlefield, one Triggerboi in hand.
- Cast Triggerboi for free with Aluren .
- Draw with Chulane , putting any land onto the battlefield (if fetch, crack for untapped lands).
- Return Triggerboi to hand with own ability.
- Loop until you have Laboratory Maniac in hand, or hit tutor that can get LM.
- Cast LM with Aluren with one card left in deck , triggering Chulane and drawing a card.
- Cast Triggerboi one last time for win.
There's plenty there on the sub-reddit to help you go down the proverbial rabbit hole, so I encourage you to check it out and see what combo(s) take your interest. Again I want to emphasize this - please make a proper deck description - it not only helps you but everyone who visits your page. Good luck in your deck building. Also, +1 - for a new deck.
1 week ago
Funkydiscogod My favorite part about your comment is that I am in love with non-blue counterspells and it actually would make a ton of sense in the deck considering I need to splash specifically white mana for a few core cards like Student of Warfare anyways. I have taken great care to keep the mana base in flush with the color needs of the deck, so I'd need to test it but I'm pretty confident i'll find a way to put Rebuff the Wicked in. Hindering Light would probably be better than Mana Leak if it wasn't for the two color cost. If I was going to try something to upgrade in that slot that is 2 colors i'd have probably done Dovin's Veto before your suggestion but the card draw is something this deck desperately wants. I'll test it and post an update in a week or so.
I appreciate your suggestions!
1 week ago
Why don't you run any infinite mana combos to win with breya?
Where is your wincon? Are you expecting to ultimate one of those Planeswalkers? Jitte and swords? Where's Chrome Mox? Thran/Chromatic/coalition relic all don't do enough for you for their mana cost.
Umezawa's Jitte Combat is useless in cEDH. Other than pressuring ad Naus decks life totals, or being a najeela deck, this cards combat tricks are kinda dependent on too many prior things going right. How about Chrome Mox ?
Thran Dynamo isn't as useful for you as you may think, it doesn't help you cast breya or any of your action spells very well. Dramatic Reversal slotted in there to complete the IsoRev combo would be sweet. Infinite breya casts and activations as a wincon should be fine. Make sure you have a way to produce the colors you need though. IsoRev also has a nice deck drawing combo with Sensei's Divining Top
Id recommend avoiding cards with hard triple costs as well, like Cryptic Command and Necropotence . NP is an MVP in a lot of decks, but 4 color decks typically dont run it for a reason: BBB turn 3 is rough if it isn't your primary color. UUU1 is rough too. Rougher in 4 color. Accomodating both is impossible to do consistently.
There are a few other pet cards aside but otherwise you're pretty close to a cEDH deck.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
SideBae, Wow, this is immensely helpful! thank you tons! I do have a few questions/explanations/comments though;
I see your point about having too many combos/win conditions, the reason I bring it up is that I've been having some consistency issues, and I've been hoping to improve it from slightly janky to viable in my playgroup, once I get it assembled.
Tidespout Tyrant is a powerful card, but if you don't mind pointing out how it helps my combo?
I'll be sure to add some counterspells like Dovin's Veto as well!
One last overall question, what would you cut from the deck to make way for better cards you suggested?
All in all, though, I really appreciate everything! Esper is my favorite color combination in MTG, and I think with some modification, this deck could end up doing quite well!
2 weeks ago
Hey man! I always like Esper. Here're some suggestions; feel free to ignore any or all of them:
In your description, you say you need help with win conditions. I think it's important to keep in mind, if you don't already, that too many win conditions will actually hinder your deck. This is because with more discrete combos, you raise the number of 'dead' draws in your deck; drawing half of two combos that don't go together makes Jac a sad boi. So while I do agree you could use more win conditions, I think only adding another one or (maybe) to is probably the best route.
In the spirit of (1), you may find that having a powerful reanimation package can be one of the secondary win cons you're looking for. Tidespout Tyrant used to be one of the top reanimation targets in legacy (maybe it still is -- I don't understand that format anymore), and running him will let you draw Animate Dead sans Leonin Relic-Warder and still have a good shot at winning.
To that end, you should run Entomb and Buried Alive . Tutoring to the 'yard not only puts your Leonin Relic-Warder right where you want him, but also your Sheoldred, Whispering One /any other reanimation targets you may want. There're some other reanimation spells to consider, some that work with Leonin Relic-Warder and some that don't. Consider: Reanimate , Exhume (if you wanna get spicy), Dance of the Dead and/or Unburial Rites . Unburial Rites is one of my favorite cards, especially since you can tutor it with Entomb .
I think Path to Exile is strictly worse, in EDH, than Swords to Plowshares . Ramping an opponent in a format where everyone is doing busted stuff is dangerous, but giving them six or more life points may be irrelevant, especially since this seems to be a combo deck.
Your Brainstorm is good, but it'd be better with more shuffle effects in your deck. While Prismatic Vista and the other generic fetches (see Marsh Flats , etc.) can be very expensive, slow fetches like Flood Plain and/or Bad River are fine alternatives.
In addition to your Brainstorm , I cannot recommend Ponder and it's lil' brother Preordain highly enough. These two may not look like much, but being able to dig to what you need and past what you don't for one mana is a pretty great feeling. I run them in all my blue decks, and (with very limited exceptions) always like drawing them.
You've got some pretty good rocks, but there're ways to improve your ramp base. I've been very impressed with the talismans ( Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Hierarchy and Talisman of Progress ) as slightly-better signets, and it's important not to discount Thought Vessel , Everflowing Chalice or Mind Stone .
You have some very powerful artifacts: Bolas's Citadel , Thornbite Staff , and Lifeline all seem like game-changers in this deck. Consider running Whir of Invention to get them out when you have the mana. Reshape or, if you're rich, Transmute Artifact are also good. Non-to-battlefield tutors, like Demonic Tutor , Enlightened Tutor or Vampiric Tutor are good, but expensive; like with fetch lands, there're other, more accessible options. Consider Diabolic Tutor , Lim-Dul's Vault , Beseech the Queen and/or Dark Petition , which are all fine tutors in themselves.
If you don't have fundamental issues with counter-magic, you should run some -- it'll protect you and your combo. Gold-standard counters ( Force of Will and Mana Drain ) are expensive AF, but you can consider other perfectly powerful options as well. Counterspell is good, and I've been very impressed with Spell Snare (which counters an overload-ed Cyclonic Rift REALLY nicely). If you've got Ad Nauseam players like me in your play ground, Dispel can be a worthy inclusion; Dovin's Veto is another combo-breaker for high-power tables.
To return to (1-3), you may want Aetherflux Reservoir as another win condition since it combos so nicely with Bolas's Citadel . If you can get a Sensei's Divining Top in the mix, things get nutty pretty quick.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
So right off the bat, I suggest replacing Path to Exile with Swords to Plowshares . In a format like EDH, everyone is trying to do broken things -- so ramping your opponents is actively dangerous. Six to ten life points is not worth as much as a free land.
My second suggestion goes for almost any blue deck: Cantrips are your friend. Ponder and Preordain may not look like much, but there's a reason they're super-banned in Modern. I highly suggest including them. Depending on your budget, Brainstorm could be a worth inclusion as well. It's really only good if you have at least four to six fetch-lands, since they'll make sure you don't get Brainstorm locked (stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck). While Prismatic Vista and the Polluted Delta / Misty Rainforest -type lands are expensive, cards like Flood Plain or Grasslands are also good.
You're in green, which means you have access to the best dorks in the game. Sol Ring (which I think you just forgot to put in) is one of the few artifact-ramp pieces necessary in green decks: You have access to (and should strongly consider running): Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Noble Hierarch (though she's pricey), Bloom Tender (also stupid pricey 'till WoTC gets around to a reprint), Arbor Elf and Avacyn's Pilgrim . Like Ponder , dorks don't look like much; but I've yet to see someone run them (properly) and not think they're the bomb.
Green go-wide strategies are interesting in that they have access to some pretty unique win-conditions. I'm working on a Shattergang Brothers list right now that uses Triumph of the Hordes as a win-con, and I think it'd be good here too. Also consider, if you have $60 you don't want, Craterhoof Behemoth + Natural Order -- that can pull a win out of nowhere, provided you have a good board-presence.
This is a small one, but you may want to run Nature's Chant instead of Disenchant , since it's slightly easier to cast. That being said, Nature's Claim is a mana cheaper, and I think it's probably better than the other two.
If you can, I think you'd probably have luck running Supreme Verdict . Not being counterable is a big deal in EDH, meaning it's probably better than Fumigate . Speaking of anti-counter-cards, if your meta is even just 40% blue decks, consider running Veil of Summer . That card's like... really good. Also good if your meta is blue-heavy: Carpet of Flowers . Because almost all your tokens will have three or less power, consider Retribution of the Meek as another potential board-wipe.
Card-draw is another thing you'll want to add in the remaining 49 cards. Slate of Ancestry is straight-up dumb in creature decks, and I suggest running it. Monastery Siege and Mirrodin Besieged are also good options for permanent-based card-draw. Tireless Tracker is also good, if you end up running 34+ lands.
Bant has access to a lot of the great hate pieces of our time. Depending on how many artifacts you run vs. how many your opponents run, Collector Ouphe and Stony Silence can steal games really nicely. Gaddock Teeg is excellent for holding off board-wipes (with the notable exceptions of Toxic Deluge and, less frequently, Dead of Winter , and there're countless other hatebears you have available to you. Some of my favorites in EDH include: Aven Mindcensor , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Kataki, War's Wage , Ethersworn Canonist and Meddling Mage (naming someone's commander).
Similar to hatebears, there're non-creature ways to disincentivize your opponents from doing things. These are called Stax pieces, after the infamous Smokestack . Rhystic Study is good, but I think Mystic Remora is actually better. Coming down turn-one or -two means it can tax all your opponents' artifact ramp, and frequently acts as an Ancestral Recall in less experienced metas. Things like Aura Shards and Aura of Silence are good ways to keep opponents in check, and Storm decks (like the one I play a lot) tend to fold to things like Rule of Law . Root Maze is also an "expensive deck"-hoser, since things like Scalding Tarn , Grim Monolith and Mana Vault really, really stink while Root Maze is on the table.
You're in blue, so you should consider at least three to five counterspells. Dovin's Veto is a personal favorite; also consider Counterspell , Spell Snare , Mana Drain / Force of Will (if you've got $$$), Mental Misstep (blows Sol Ring out of the water) or even something like Mana Leak or Spell Pierce .
Right. That's all I got for now... hope this helps!
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