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Slate of Ancestry
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Slate of Ancestry Discussion
2 weeks ago
So I'm kinda surprised no one has suggested this (apologies if someone did and I didn't notice while I looked at the other comments), but Skullclamp seems stupid-good with an X/1 token producer in the command zone.
You may want to revisit your artifact-ramp suite. I see you've included the signets, but I think the talismans ( Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Progress and Talisman of Hierarchy ) are probably better. You may want to run all three of both -- that's a call playtesting will help a lot with. In general, two-mana mana-rocks are a lot better than three- or four-mana rocks, and that rule is especially true with four-mana generals. (...because landing a rock turn two into a land-drop turn three means you're casting your general a turn early.)
Though it may go without saying, I feel like I should mention that tutors are good cards. If you have access, you should consider running Enlightened Tutor and/or Demonic Tutor . If not (or even if you do have access to the former and just want more tutors), consider Dark Petition , Diabolic Intent , Diabolic Tutor , Beseech the Queen and/or Lim-Dul's Vault . The more tutors you have, the more consistent your deck will be. More importantly (at least in my opinion), you have to have fewer redundant effects, since you'll just tutor a card when necessary. This frees up card slots for more powerful spells.
In a similar vein, I see you're running Cloudstone Curio . I've obviously never played your list, but intuition tells me that that card is pretty busted in this deck. I suggest you try running something like Whir of Invention to tutor it to the battlefield at instant speed. Also worth considering is Reshape or, if you have a few spare kidneys to sell, Transmute Artifact . Granted, this does not get you a cast-trigger for the Cloudstone Curio itself, but I think the effect more than makes up for that fact.
I feel like I suggest these in every blue-deck comment I make, but I really, really think Ponder , Preordain and (if you have fetches/other reliable shuffle effects) Brainstorm belong in every blue deck. They're just that good. Having one of them in your opening seven means that a borderline hand goes from OK to good pretty easily, since they'll dig you to land if that's what you need, or past land if you don't. Your Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds are good for shuffle, but I'd add two or three more fetch-type lands before I'd add Brainstorm .
I'm unsure of what your meta is like, but I think you may have luck running Ghostly Prison instead of Hissing Miasma . Unless you're facing something like a Splinter Twin combo-kill, I feel like having a second Propaganda -effect is a better deterrent for potential attackers. Worth noting is that if you don't want to run two Propaganda effects, I think Ghostly Prison is better than Propaganda itself since Ghostly Prison does not die to Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast .
I've always LOVED Tidespout Tyrant . You should consider a reanimation package, in order to turbo that mo' fo' out onto the field. Buried Alive or Entomb are good ways to put him in the graveyard, and running Animate Dead , Necromancy and/or Dance of the Dead will all bring him back while triggering your general.
Depending on how much mana you have access to in a typical game, you might want to think about a Words of Wind loop. ( Words of Wind has, since I first saw it, been one of my favorite cards.) If you pair it with a permanent you can trigger your general with that draws a card on ETB, you can make your opponents return their stuff all while netting faeries. Some such ETBers to consider: Ichor Wellspring , Alchemist's Vial , Baleful Strix and Disinformation Campaign . I especially like Disinformation Campaign .
Idk how many creatures you usually have on the field, but I have a feeling that Slate of Ancestry is worth running if you have 3+ creatures out on a routine basis.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck, man! Looks like a fun deck.
2 weeks ago
So right off the bat, I suggest replacing Path to Exile with Swords to Plowshares . In a format like EDH, everyone is trying to do broken things -- so ramping your opponents is actively dangerous. Six to ten life points is not worth as much as a free land.
My second suggestion goes for almost any blue deck: Cantrips are your friend. Ponder and Preordain may not look like much, but there's a reason they're super-banned in Modern. I highly suggest including them. Depending on your budget, Brainstorm could be a worth inclusion as well. It's really only good if you have at least four to six fetch-lands, since they'll make sure you don't get Brainstorm locked (stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck). While Prismatic Vista and the Polluted Delta / Misty Rainforest -type lands are expensive, cards like Flood Plain or Grasslands are also good.
You're in green, which means you have access to the best dorks in the game. Sol Ring (which I think you just forgot to put in) is one of the few artifact-ramp pieces necessary in green decks: You have access to (and should strongly consider running): Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Noble Hierarch (though she's pricey), Bloom Tender (also stupid pricey 'till WoTC gets around to a reprint), Arbor Elf and Avacyn's Pilgrim . Like Ponder , dorks don't look like much; but I've yet to see someone run them (properly) and not think they're the bomb.
Green go-wide strategies are interesting in that they have access to some pretty unique win-conditions. I'm working on a Shattergang Brothers list right now that uses Triumph of the Hordes as a win-con, and I think it'd be good here too. Also consider, if you have $60 you don't want, Craterhoof Behemoth + Natural Order -- that can pull a win out of nowhere, provided you have a good board-presence.
This is a small one, but you may want to run Nature's Chant instead of Disenchant , since it's slightly easier to cast. That being said, Nature's Claim is a mana cheaper, and I think it's probably better than the other two.
If you can, I think you'd probably have luck running Supreme Verdict . Not being counterable is a big deal in EDH, meaning it's probably better than Fumigate . Speaking of anti-counter-cards, if your meta is even just 40% blue decks, consider running Veil of Summer . That card's like... really good. Also good if your meta is blue-heavy: Carpet of Flowers . Because almost all your tokens will have three or less power, consider Retribution of the Meek as another potential board-wipe.
Card-draw is another thing you'll want to add in the remaining 49 cards. Slate of Ancestry is straight-up dumb in creature decks, and I suggest running it. Monastery Siege and Mirrodin Besieged are also good options for permanent-based card-draw. Tireless Tracker is also good, if you end up running 34+ lands.
Bant has access to a lot of the great hate pieces of our time. Depending on how many artifacts you run vs. how many your opponents run, Collector Ouphe and Stony Silence can steal games really nicely. Gaddock Teeg is excellent for holding off board-wipes (with the notable exceptions of Toxic Deluge and, less frequently, Dead of Winter , and there're countless other hatebears you have available to you. Some of my favorites in EDH include: Aven Mindcensor , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Kataki, War's Wage , Ethersworn Canonist and Meddling Mage (naming someone's commander).
Similar to hatebears, there're non-creature ways to disincentivize your opponents from doing things. These are called Stax pieces, after the infamous Smokestack . Rhystic Study is good, but I think Mystic Remora is actually better. Coming down turn-one or -two means it can tax all your opponents' artifact ramp, and frequently acts as an Ancestral Recall in less experienced metas. Things like Aura Shards and Aura of Silence are good ways to keep opponents in check, and Storm decks (like the one I play a lot) tend to fold to things like Rule of Law . Root Maze is also an "expensive deck"-hoser, since things like Scalding Tarn , Grim Monolith and Mana Vault really, really stink while Root Maze is on the table.
You're in blue, so you should consider at least three to five counterspells. Dovin's Veto is a personal favorite; also consider Counterspell , Spell Snare , Mana Drain / Force of Will (if you've got $$$), Mental Misstep (blows Sol Ring out of the water) or even something like Mana Leak or Spell Pierce .
Right. That's all I got for now... hope this helps!
2 weeks ago
I have a few more suggestions, looking at this again:
I think Swords to Plowshares is a lot better than Path to Exile . The reason I say that is because life is a lot less of a consideration in a format like EDH, but ramping your opponent is often actively dangerous.
Like Painful Truths , Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise should be on your radar. Idk how fast your deck typically fills its graveyard, but I suggest at least running Treasure Cruise . It can get you back in the game rather fast. Also consider Fact or Fiction .
Narset, Parter of Veils is a POWERHOUSE in EDH these days, especially if you can pair her with a Windfall . This combo is well worth two card slots. Similarly, Ashiok, Dream Render is a real piece of work in many EDH games, though it tends to be better at tables that run a lot of fetch lands.
If your meta is as filled with combo decks as mine is, you may have luck with a Rule of Law .
Depending on your personal level of sadism, pieces of MLD may be on the table in this deck. Consider Armageddon and (if you have a few spare organs) Ravages of War , as well as Cataclysm . Because of Cataclysm 's oldschool wording, it requires people to sacrifice their planeswalkers... just saying.
3 weeks ago
Wow this build is great for such a tight budget! You might like Secret Salvage and Heirloom Blade . Also Carnival of Souls , while risky, has strong potential to bring you to combo town. Grim Haruspex and Disciple of Bolas might be better than Night's Whisper and Sign in Blood, and definitely Slate of Ancestry over Tower of Fortunes IMO. Vanquisher's Banner would be sweet if your budget allows. Oh and Thornbite Staff makes infinite rats when equipped to your general!
3 weeks ago
So for starters, I think you should definitely include Ponder and Preordain . These two one-mana cantrips don't look like much, but they'll let you run thirty-three lands rather easily and smooth out your draws. There's a reason they're super-banned in Modern, and it's not 'cause no one likes them.
Brainstorm is similar to the aforementioned, but you need shuffle effects to make it good -- getting stuck with two dead cards on top of your deck blows chunks. I think you need at least three fetches to justify running brainstorm, and probably want six plus, really. If the Zendikar/Onslaught fetches ( Polluted Delta , Verdant Catacombs , etc.) are inaccessible (they often are), there're other fetch options. Prismatic Vista is good, but that one can be expensive too... Evolving Wilds , Bad River , Rocky Tar Pit , Flood Plain , Terramorphic Expanse and Ash Barrens are all valid and much more affordable.
Concerning your counter-board, there's room for (a little) improvement without breaking the bank. Disallow , for instance, is a strictly better Cancel . I don't think Thought Collapse is very good... three mana is a lot of pay for a counterspell is a lot, and milling an opponent is frequently good for them in EDH. I think you may be better off using that slot for something like Fact or Fiction (which builds card-advantage) or a low-cost counter like Spell Snare , Spell Pierce or Dispel .
The best way to improve this deck, I think, is to work on the mana-rocks. The best ones outside Sol Ring ( Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Mox Diamond , etc.) are unfortunately very expensive; however, there're a lot of two-mana mana rocks that are very affordable, and you may already have lying around. In my experience, two-mana rocks are a lot better than three mana rocks. Consider some or all of the following: Talisman of Dominance , Dimir Signet , Fellwar Stone , Arcane Signet (I think/hope the price will drop soon), Mind Stone , Prismatic Lens , Everflowing Chalice ... These'll let you keep up with green decks, or at least have a chance of doing so.
I see you're running Gravecrawler . I feel semi-obliged to point out that Skullclamp is stupidly good with Gravecrawler . Note that if you have a lord like Diregraf Captain out, it becomes slightly less fun; however, with your Carrion Feeder , you can keep it coming.
I think most UB decks benefit from running Ashiok, Dream Render and Narset, Parter of Veils . Their hatebear-like static abilities are super relevant in EDH, and if you pair Narset, Parter of Veils with your Windfall , you're halfway to playing Leovold, Emissary of Trest (who, thank whatever G-d may be, is banned).
Obviously, I don't know exactly how this deck will play -- I've never played this list. However, I suspect you end up with a lot of guys on the field. If that's the case, consider Slate of Ancestry as a draw engine with discard as a perk.
If you run a reanimation package, you can get cards like your Grave Titan down REAL fast. Consider Entomb in addition to your Buried Alive , and two or three cards like Animate Dead , Reanimate , Necromancy , Dance of the Dead , etc. Depending how spicy you want to get, Dreams of the Dead is in your colors... I think it's probably pretty bad, but I figured I'd mention it.
Patriarch's Bidding is around $20 nowadays, but it'll help you recover from a boardwipe real fast. I suggest running it in most black tribal decks, unless your meta is more than 40% to 50% tribal.
Winds of Rebuke is a good bounce effect that also mills you... It'll build card advantage via your graveyard, so you should at least test it.
Right. That's all I got for now. Good luck!
1 month ago
Narset, Parter of Veils is quickly becoming a blue EDH staple... she's amazing. If you run her, include Windfall as well -- it refills your hand, but if Narset, Parter of Veils is out, it also reduces your opponents'.
Carpet of Flowers is a good mana source if your meta is like mine and everyone is in blue. If you don't want to run elves, you should at least consider one-mana enchant-lands like Utopia Sprawl or Wild Growth . These are pretty good turn one plays.
Since you're only running a few artifacts with activated abilities, consider Collector Ouphe -- he can be a real pain for decks relying on artifact mana. If you don't put him in, consider Slate of Ancestry as a draw-engine.
I'd run Jace, Wielder of Mysteries instead of Laboratory Maniac if you want to go that route. Generally, you want combo pieces to have a large impact even if you don't have the combo in hand, and Laboratory Maniac is just a bear if you're not going off. Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is a draw engine as well.
Waterlogged Grove is a good land to consider. Also Flooded Grove . If you run Dryad Arbor , you'll be able to fetch it with Green Sun's Zenith . If you want to keep your basic land count high, also consider Back to Basics .
1 month ago
Hey man! I got a few suggestions -- I hope you find them helpful:
The best aspect of playing green is its access to turn one dorks. I'm sure you've noticed your Birds of Paradise is a great play to lead with; you should consider the following: Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves , Avacyn's Pilgrim and Orcish Lumberjack . Bloom Tender and Priest of Titania are good two-mana plays in this sort of package.
Another benefit to running dorks in green, aside from their mana, is that they're bodies. An Overrun effect can easily take the game, if you have a critical mass of creatures. Ironically, Overrun itself is pretty mediocre as far as Overrun effects go... I suggest running Triumph of the Hordes and Craterhoof Behemoth , since these are great ways to make an army of tiny duders into an army of deadly duders. Craterhoof Behemoth is especially good, since you can fetch it out with Natural Order , should you choose to run that.
So, I'm not quite sure how your deck is going to play. However, I suspect you'll have a lot of creatures during the mid-game. I think you should consider running Shamanic Revelation and/or Slate of Ancestry .
Veil of Summer is one of the more absurdly good cards printed recently. I highly suggest running it in any green deck -- it's a cantrip that protects your guys from counters and spot removal. There're some really odd niche-cases it's good in, too, like against Bitter Ordeal .
I don't think Path to Exile is very good. In general, ramping your opponents in a format with forty life and several enemies trying to do busted things is a dangerous move. I like your Swords to Plowshares a lot more.
Naya has access to some serious hate, in the form of bears and in the form of regular stax pieces. You should at least consider some of the following: Aven Mindcensor , Aura of Silence , Winter Orb (especially if you're running the dorks mentioned in (1)), Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Price of Glory , Root Maze , Armageddon (if you're like me and don't mind getting flipped off), Gaddock Teeg , Collector Ouphe , Stony Silence , Null Rod , Kataki, War's Wage and similar such nonsense. These are a really good way to slow down opponents long enough to get your army out and swinging.
Finally, depending on your meta, there're a few green enchantments you should strongly consider: Choke , Carpet of Flowers and Compost are all super powerful, given the right meta. Blue and black are the two most common colors in EDH, so you can be pretty certain you'll be facing one or both most of the time.
Right. That's all I got for now. Good luck!
1 month ago
I always liked elves. I have a few suggestions:
Concerning your land-base: I think you should cut Command Tower and (maybe) Reliquary Tower . Since your commander is mono-colored, Command Tower is only ever going to produce ; however, it will never be a forest or a basic land. This means that you cannot untap it with Arbor Elf and it dies to Blood Moon , Back to Basics , Wasteland , Ruination , Magus of the Moon , Dwarven Miner , Dwarven Blastminer , Shivan Harvest ... I think just a regular Forest is significantly better, as you generally want to avoid undue risk. Reliquary Tower is a bit trickier, and it will depend on how the deck plays. However, as a general rule, if you have an excess of seven cards in hand, then you should have a developed board to support it and either win or get down to seven. I have long ago stopped including unlimited hand-size effects in my decks, and I've never needed one since; however, if your experience with this deck says otherwise, do please ignore me.
Gaea's Cradle is amazing, but also about the same price as a used liver. For that reason, you may have more luck running something like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, which is essentially the same card (though slightly slower), and much more affordable. Pairing this with Deserted Temple results in instant fun.
Your general has an Overrun effect stapled onto him, so I'm assuming that's how you generally plan to win. However, my experience has always been that if your commander is your only win-condition, your opponents will learn that and keep him off the board more or less indefinitely. I suggest running one or two alternative but similar effects: Triumph of the Hordes and/or Craterhoof Behemoth . Triumph of the Hordes has the advantage of not actually needing a full board to be lethal -- in EDH, 10 points of poison still kills a player. Craterhoof Behemoth is around $30 nowadays, but it happens to be sorta an insanely good card -- especially if you tutor it out with Natural Order or similar effects.
One of the main weaknesses of 'go wide' creature decks is that they tend to be soft to mass-removal. The best way to counteract this is by keeping a full hand, meaning that card-advantage is at a premium. Slate of Ancestry is a great way to keep generating advantage from a full board, and if you hold up mana you can activate it in response to a Supreme Verdict or similar effect. Beast Whisperer is an elf I'm surprised to see you aren't running. Skyshroud Poacher , while not an elf himself, can grab you your duders without having to bother casting them -- if he and a few other cards are what you have left in hand after a wrath effect, he can help rebuild your board.
There are some meta-specific cards you might find helpful. Gaea's Herald , Carpet of Flowers and Choke are all good in a blue-heavy meta. Compost is another draw engine that frequently nets cards, as black is generally the second best EDH color (after blue). Veil of Summer is a good card born of M20.
Right. That's all I got... hopefully you find at least some of it helpful. Good luck!
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