Relic of Progenitus

Artifact

{T}: Target player exiles a card from their graveyard.

{1}, Exile this: Exile all graveyard. Draw a card.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pauper	Legal
Pauper Duel Commander	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vintage	Legal
Casual	Legal
Custom	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal

Discussion (49)

Decrepit_Angel on [Primer] Colored Mana is for the Weak

1 month ago

Profet93 Thanks for the recommendations.

I have messed around with Mystic Forge and it's associated combo a bit but I ended up cutting Sensei's Divining Top as I felt that it was unnecessary more often than not and not having ways to shuffle consistently made it way worse if I didn't have a way to go infinite with it. I mighy try Mystic Forge again but I felt that it was too slow in my testing. cEDH nowadays has the "turn 3 rule" where you need to be threatening a win or overwhelming advantage by turn 3 consistently by turn 3 if you want to be relevant. From my testing, cutting a lot of the random value pieces for extra ramp has allowed for a lot more turn 2 or 3 Eldrazi Titans and a lot more success against cEDH decks.

Manascape Refractor has been very good in testing. Mishra's Workshop is my personal favorite but it also copies Inventors' Fair pretty frequently. Ancient Tomb or City of Traitors makes it into a Worn Powerstone (which I already run). Bazaar of Baghdad and Eye of Ugin are useful as well, especially when I have access to Unwinding Clock and can repeatedly activate a random tech land every turn. At one point, this deck ran Candelabra of Tawnos as a way to repeatedly use tech lands but I would argue that Manascape Refractor is a much better way to accomplish that. High Market, Homeward Path, etc. are also surprisingly useful. On that topic, using it as a High Market with access to infinite mana through Rings of Brighthearth + Voltaic Key + Chromatic Orrery (also gives infinite untaps of all artifacts) allowed me to win once as I didn't have access to a different way to sacrifice and recast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth.

I had no idea that Soul-Guide Lantern even existed. I'm not sure if I would call it a strict upgrade to Relic of Progenitus but it is definitely good. I might swap out Tormod's Crypt for it so that all of my graveyard hate can be cycled if it isn't relevant.

Regarding the Metalworker combo, a lot of the primer is outdated. I tried updating it a few times but I ended up changing out 20ish cards so I figured I would wait until I had a pretty stable list to update it. The Metalworker combo is absolutely a backup option though. Typically by the time I would go for that combo, I would have access to casting Kozilek. As for Field of the Dead, I am not a fan of tap lands and roughly 1 out of every 20 games with this deck would even go long enough to get to 7 lands for it's ability to be relevant. I think Field of the Dead would be good in a casual meta but I try to play this at cEDH tables as this deck is ridiculously unfair to play at casual tables.

Reliquary Tower is a good budget option but it might as well be a Wastes with the way the deck runs most games. I typically mulligan for some form of acceleration and try to immediately get to 10 mana which usually empties my hand. Kozilek will get me a new hand, but very rarely will I pass with more than 7 cards in hand, and if I do, I haven't had the scenario yet where I had to ditch anything useful.

The main form of drawing power in the deck is my commander. Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, War Room, Ugin, the Ineffable, sacrificing Mind Stone, Hedron Archive, or Dreamstone Hedron are the only other ones I have for card advantage. This deck is basically an all or nothing deck intent on playing really early Eldrazi Titans, going infinite, or playing stax to slow everyone else down (usually some combination of the 3). As colorless does not have access to particularly great interaction, I have tuned the deck to be about as fast as physically possible. Most games I am able to cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth on turn 3 or earlier (admittedly almost always at least 1 mulligan for fast mana). Although some times people will have answers, that early in the game is enough to cause problems for most decks. The plan from there is to either just kill my oponents or do as you said where I cast Kozilek, draw some cards, ramp some more, and repeat. Although the situation will occasionally show up where the game goes long, this deck absolutely shines when it is doing terrifying things really early.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

PinnedPhoenix on Get Lae'd! - Laelia Voltron/Stax/Combo [Primer]

2 months ago

smack80 - wow! can't believe I didn't notice that. I've been considering Relic of Progenitus as well, and you might've just convinced me in terms of what to swap it out for. thanks!

smack80 on Get Lae'd! - Laelia Voltron/Stax/Combo [Primer]

2 months ago

Scroll rack never exiles from your library so it doesn't fuel your commander.

YOu want Relic of Progenitus instead. It can hate graveyards or do 1 exile per turn against yourself. Nobody remembers the first mode on that card lol.

wallisface on Blue "control"

2 months ago

Some thoughts:

• 18 lands is insanely low for control. Burn decks play 20 lands, and only run cmc1-2 cards. Most control lists i’ve seen run around 25 lands… i’d suggest you’d need a similar number by looking at your curve.

There’s a bunch of cards that I think are really dubious choices, that I think you should ditch:

• Scour All Possibilities this is a really average effect, and being sorcery speed is going to really mess with your ability to control the board.

• Batterskull is generally only good with Stonforge Mystic, and really sub-par without her. Sane goes for Sword of Feast and Famine, which is probably even worse here given your low creature count.

• Lightning Greaves has no place in modern, and especially your deck. You have very very few creatures to make this worthwhile, and being a control deck, you should have no issues protecting your creature with countermagic anyway.

• Mishra's Bauble isn’t bad, but control decks generally want better control over what they draw, so i don’t think this is ideal.

Assuming you ditch those 10 cards, to replace them i’d first suggest adding in at least 6 lands. After that 2 copies of Memory Deluge would be a strong option, as well as 2 more copies of Mana Leak.

The other thing to thing about is your sideboard. The only cards that you have there that make sense are Engineered Explosives and Relic of Progenitus. The rest of the choices there make no sense to me - i think this sideboard needs a major rework.

awatts30 on Varina

2 months ago

Thanks, Guerric! There’s a lot to parse here, so I may take it in parts.

Firstly, the extra lands are temporary. My target is 36, but I had 13 extra spells, so I added 7 basics (35% rate) to be able to goldfish effectively. Sometimes I can learn a bit more about the deck and make changes that way. As I pare down spells, I’ll take out lands too. I thought about Crucible of Worlds, but opted against it because it would change my play style, but without tutors or duplicate effects it’s too high-variance.

The Stifle is mostly there to stop graveyard hate, which tends to be one-off abilities (Bojuka Bog, Scavenger Grounds, Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus) and which could really mess up my plans. That’s a good point on Dovin's Veto; maybe I’ll swap it for a Negate.

I really like Reconnaissance because it not only allows me to attack into unfavorable board states but also gives pseudo-vigilance, allowing me to commit all my zombies without worrying about the crack back. Anything to maximize those Varina triggers! Flawless Maneuver might need to come out, though.

I’ve used Plumb the Forbidden to great effect in my Mazirek deck. Since it’s instant speed, it’s really good at turning creatures that would die to unfavorable combat or a board wipe into card advantage, and since it’s 2 CMC I can always just put the mana into Varina if I don’t wind up needing it. I had Kindred Discovery in there originally, but in a deck that’s both ETBing and swinging this much it seemed like overkill (plus it’s crazy expensive). A lot of my perspective on card draw may need to change, too. Like I said, I’m not used to using my graveyard, and while Varina let’s me look at a lot, I’m still uncomfortable throwing cards away. After all, they’re all in there because I want to cast them! I need to get better at choosing what to pitch (which is kind of the whole point of making this deck), but corollary to that is figuring out how much draw-to-hand I need and how much I can lean on my ‘yard.

A lot of the deck techs I’ve looked at leaned into Varina’s activated ability. I didn’t much like that because (1) it makes her into a glorified token factory, (2) I want to push myself to use the cards in my graveyard, and (3) why would I want to spend 2 mana and two cards for a vanilla zombie when I can spend 2 mana and one card for a Corpse Knight, a Wayward Servant, or 3 mana for a Diregraf Captain. In the little bit of goldfishing I’ve done, though, she’s dumping cards so fast that exiling two of them isn’t even a problem. I had originally taken Tormod, the Desecrator out, but wound up putting him back in because of the number of cards I was exiling. I’d like to bring it back toward a reanimator strategy, and I think Syr Konrad, the Grim would be a good payoff for that.

You have a ton of good suggestions, including Crashing Drawbridge, Dusk / Dawn, Necromancy et al. (I knew there were others, I just couldn’t remember them!), Living Death/Rise of the Dark Realms, Haunting Voyage/Patriarch's Bidding, and the talismans, but I still need to cut 13 spells to even get down to 100 cards, and then more to make room for any of them. This is my problem!

Optimator on Elegeth and Rebecc

3 months ago

Relic of Progenitus - Scourglass - Prodigy's Prototype - Mirrorworks - Welding Jar - Isochron Scepter - Mirage Mirror - Foreboding Statue  ^Flip - Worn Powerstone - Efficient Construction - Mirrormade - Thirst for Knowledge - Dispatch - Path to Exile - Swords to Plowshares - Reality Shift

duchessCretina on Contamination locked

3 months ago

I don't think you have an issue on how to end the game because you can reliably drain the opponent each turn with Contamination's trigger + Blood Artist/Bastion of Remembrance.

I think, however, that maybe Ensnaring Bridge is missing to make the prison full circle.

The deck reminds me of Big Red/Dragon Stompy with Contamination being the "Blood Moon".

Maybe, just maybe, Karn, the Great Creator could occupy 4 slots in the maindeck to tutor for Trinisphere, Chalice of the Void and Ensnaring Bridge.

And maybe even tutor for Wurmcoil Engine or another alt-wincon or a token-generator like Orochi Hatchery or Retrofitter Foundry... not to mention the wide toolbox variety Liquimetal Coating, Mycosynth Lattice, Pithing Needle, Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt, Executioner's Capsule, Sphere of Annihilation, etc.

Maybe some Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth can help since Ancient Tomb hurts over time.

Icbrgr on Modern Prowess

3 months ago

this is just a generic sideboard I would consider working towards.

2x Prismatic Ending 2x Abrade/Rip Apart 2x Stony Silence/Hurkyl's Recall 2x Rest in Peace/Relic of Progenitus 2x Pithing Needle 2x Remand/Spell Pierce/Spell Snare/Counterspell 3x Blood Moon/Cleansing Wildfire/Alpine Moon