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|Magic 2015 (M15)||Mythic Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks: Garruk vs. Liliana (DDD)||Mythic Rare|
|2010 Core Set (M10)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Mythic Rare|
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Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player discards a card.
-2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it.
-8: Put all creature cards in all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.
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Liliana Vess Discussion
1 week ago
Actually, frezzreaper: I'm not finding enough mana ramp to do much; I'm currently focusing on nonbasic stuff, but there is not much to choose. Also, what walkers would you cut? I really don't know what else is more tuned to Creature Decks, &/or just straight out lackluster. Want to keep Liliana Vess + Nexus of Fate, but I dunno about your thoughts. Should I cut any rock over CMC2, & if so, what non-signet/talisman would you suggest? My previous attempt at a Superfriends Deck ended up w/ no Phyrexian Arena & Sylvan Library for gutsy, but good reasons: You pay life to get nothing in return, or not being able to get the draw in general; instead, selfmill. What would you recommend in such an environment instead? I hope you understand this as I'm finding trouble trying to cut Walkers, & finding Ramp that can be of use regardless of Land type. I'll see what tutors I can also find though, but I dunno if you recommend 5, or 10 of them...
...& why are you referring to stuff about Commandcast/Tolarian Community College? Sometimes they might screw up about this... (Some Decks aren't meant to be exact...)
1 week ago
I suggest you add some graveyard hate in case your opponents have a way to recur back their cards (Living Death, Scrap Mastery, Sun Titan, etc.), like Crook of Condemnation, Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb or Leyline of the Void (if you have the $$$). You already have Bojuka Bog, so nice choice :). I love the Whip of Erebos and Phyrexian Reclamation to get back my own creatures and some instants or sorceries put them back directly (one-time only though): Cauldron Dance, Torrent of Souls, Rise from the Grave. Beacon of Unrest is very nice and versatile. If you have the budget, Sheoldred, Whispering One is very effective and Goryo's Vengeance can be useful. Shallow Grave, Animate Dead and Necromancy are other options too. For mass-reanimation, use Rise of the Dark Realms, Liliana Vess or Liliana, Death Wielder. If you like the discard theme, pretty much all specters have an ability related to that, but of course they aren't of the tribes you want with your commander. Also, if you play black, I think tutors are a must, because they are the best in the game since only Beseech the Queen reveals the tutored card in black (well, I think so). So Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Mastermind's Acquisition, Dark Petition, Diabolic Revelation, Increasing Ambition and the good old budget Diabolic Tutor are among options.
1 week ago
Okay! Now that I have a few more minutes to write detailed responses...
IAmTheWraith: Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants has been...surprisingly helpful? He's not the most powerful walker in the world, but his ult is neat (and this deck can actually get there). The 3 white tokens per turn are one free exile with Teysa. I could see Ajani, Caller of the Pride in that slot I suppose, but I wanted my wincons to not be defeated by a board wipe (hence why I've largely avoided "one-time" token effects). I may rethink this in the future.
Liliana, Death's Majesty has been AMAZING in this deck. Sure, her ult doesn't help much, but her -3 is invaluable and her +1 is really nice, to produce a consistent stream of blockers/sac fodder (not to mention the fantastic art). Liliana Vess is definitely an option, though - I'm still tinkering with my PW composition.
I'm not fully convinced by Oath of Liliana, but Oath of Gideon seems pretty decent here. I do not like Deploy the Gatewatch, since you need twenty-eight PWs in your deck to consistently hit 2 in the top 7 cards. And I'll think on Selfless Spirit!
Thank you all for your advice! (And is there anything you'd change in the newer draft?)
2 weeks ago
Hey there! I was called, some things that interest me...
Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants seems really unimpactful to me. I would recommend a different, more high powered walker for this deck, and looking over what is in the maybeboard I think that either Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath or Ajani, Caller of the Pride would be a better fit, as they can play a long game better while working towards their ultimates.
Another walker I'm interested in seeing is Liliana, Death's Majesty. I'm not sure of your personal experience, but wouldn't Liliana Vess be a better fit here? Same mana cost, seems much more versatile. Thoughts?
Also, Oath of Gideon can help speed things along and protect your board.
Something you can think about if you add more walkers is Deploy the Gatewatch, it can put so much more than 6 mana into play.
Again, just some thoughts. Hope things go well!
2 weeks ago
Thank you for the feed back and suggestions !
My Card draw:
Solemn Simulacrum, Sage of Fables, River Kelpie, Midnight Reaper, Disciple of Bolas, Baleful Strix, Skullclamp, Sensei's Divining Top,Rhystic Study, Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Phyrexian Arena, Moonlight Bargain. A total of 12 draw.
Also let’s not forget my tutors which I include has better card draw ( because you can obtain whatever you need ): Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Razaketh, the Foulblooded,Liliana Vess,Diabolic Intent,Vampiric Tutor,Mystical Tutor,Lim-Dul's Vault,Fabricate. 8 tutors ,let’s also not forget my cheat in play combos; Buried Alive+Victimize,Entomb+Reanimate. In total I have 23 cards in the deck which would allow me to have some kind of card advantage but is it enough?
My Sac outlets:
My Board Wipe:
My Life gain:
Since my commander is Marchesa, the Black Rose my goal is always to be at the lowest but I do have two options of ganning life: Disciple of Bolas,Arguel's Blood Fast Flip (Flipped). But Gray Merchant of Asphodel could be very powerful, any suggestions for a cut for him ?
Corpse Augur relying on opponents graveyard to have creatures doesn’t seem very attractive to me.
Dimir House Guard ( a tutor creature) , but I have plenty of tutors xD.
2 weeks ago
A lot of good cards here so making cuts gets a little tougher but we can try... you have a spike at 5CMC so maybe that's the best place to start.
Hornet Queen, while cool, is and expensive overall so maybe cut for those reasons? You would still have 2 targets to pod for/away to get to your top end. Perhaps you could go without one of Liliana Vess or Bring to Light as you seem to have a goodly number of tutors?
In this deck I would think that Edric, Spymaster of Trest helps your opponents as much as you and may make your plan a little harder to enact.
Despite the number of non-basic lands, given the theme of value on ETB/LTB I'm surprised not to see Solemn Simulacrum here. Though Graven Cairns seems an odd inclusion as red is the only color you're not playing. Is Expedition Map purely for color fixing? If so, I would think Wood Elves would fit the deck better. And is Glacial Chasm part of the strategy or was it meant to be Glacial Fortress?
I think this one will need some playtesting to see what comes out in the wash so to speak. I like all of your creature choices overall, there are just too many and I think it may come down to pulling the ones you least enjoy putting into play.
2 weeks ago
Decent deck but you seem to have an incorrect deck building mentality...the graveyard is a beautiful place that also exists as your hand away from your hand. cards like Memory's Journey or Noxious Revival have the potential for graveyard interaction with your opponent but Reclaim doesn't which make me think that you are using these cards to pull things out of your graveyard. In fact you would rather be dumping cards into your graveyard instead which is why Hermit Druid is ridiculous; cards like Reanimate Dead are very simple and easy to use cards that work well with it. you should consider putting in cards like Protean Hulk. It is regarded as one of the most broken cards in the game as it is a unpunishable wincon unlike cards like Doomsday. Sultai is the color where you mess around with your graveyard you have little to no ability to pull things straight out of it (cheat out) onto the battlefield, but you have a lot of cards that are anti synergistic with the colors you are playing with.
a couple of cards are going to be too mana intensive to use Grave Betrayal Future Sight Mikaeus, the Unhallowed Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Duskmantle Guildmage. some of these have obvious combo potential but the thing is that they are way to expensive to ever play normally. you have to cheat it out with some graveyard shenanigans. it also makes your deck overall more resilient towards interaction because you can always bring the cards back.
you need to be running every single green mana dork that you can. They are basically the best source of mana acceleration there is. Mystic Remora Chain of Vapor Dark Ritual upgrade your 3cmc kill spells there are better 2 cmc versions. and run some more removal that stops your meta
and to be honest why the hell are you even trying to play control. You already have the most expensive cards that you need to start consistently comboing off at turns 4,5,6. You really don't need to bother because you can out race most decks given that you add in all of the 1 cmc mana dorks
why are you running:
Helm of Awakening : you aren't running storm and this deck doesn't seem to cast more than a couple of cards a turn. this is specifically a card that you need to win with the turn you play it.
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir: why? its just expensive and annoying just run a counterspell or something
Villainous Wealth: is this just for memes? the likelihood that you hit an infinite combo piece is pretty small and you don't have a way to make infinite mana.
Seedborn Muse: is this just for value? mana so that you can interact? if so then just add interaction like a counterspell or something
Dig Through Time: how are you getting cards into your graveyard? this card needs self mill to be effective. you are better off running like ramp to just play your commander
2 weeks ago
I find it surprising that you don't have Debtors' Knell, Grave Betrayal, Rise of the Dark Realms, or Liliana Vess in here. They're good cards that help you while also taking advantage of your opponents.
However, now that I think about it you probably have had these suggested many times and there is a reason that they aren't in the deck.
I didn't really know what to suggest, so I hope that this was helpful.