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|Magic 2015 (M15)||Mythic Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks: Garruk vs. Liliana (DDD)||Mythic Rare|
|2010 Core Set (M10)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
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Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player discards a card.
-2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it.
-8: Put all creature cards in all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.
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Liliana Vess Discussion
2 days ago
I changed a few things about the deck. Mainly I removed a lot of 1offs to streamline the draw. I had 3 different 3-4 mana zombies that buff all other zombies with +1/+1 and different effects, which are now all death barons etc.
I thought about adding the discard effects, but I feel bad adding Liliana Vess when I exile every creature card from their graveyard via Undead Alchemist. Waste Not is a really cool card, but I don't think I have enough removal instants to make running multiple copies worth it. Instead I found Reins of Power and added that in.
3 days ago
Or, you could just focus on the combo so you wouldn't have to worry about big creatures or boardwipes. Liliana Vess could work for tutoring and as a planeswalker could get buffed by Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
3 days ago
Let's you pick and choose the best zombies in your graveyard and gives you a board wipe.
1 week ago
"Getting rid of the afflictions is a terrible idea. You need all 8 rack effects to win the game" is actually only true if Racks and Afflictions are your ONLY win con, and in making the changes I suggested.. they wouldn't be.
"Alt win condition: 4x Mutavault" Lol, hardly. Since when has anyone ever been able to say that a win con in any deck is a 2/2 creature with zero evasion? Not to mention the poor idea of adding colorless mana to a mono color deck that has minimum (in it's current state) 20 cards that you could otherwise play on turn 1 for a black mana.
"Quest for the Nihil Stone is a terrible top deck" Sure, I can agree with that, but then.. the point here isn't to win by top deck, is it? It's to ensure the consistency of the deck never has to rely on the lucky top decks. Dropping a Nihil Stone in the first 5 turns is 99% of the time better for you than a Shrieking Affliction when running a deck with this much hand disruption. Even IF worse case scenario, you draw one late game.. you can still see use out of it, thanks to my suggestion of running Master of the Feast.
"Also, why Liliana Vess over the best version of Liliana?" I've already answered that question.. but if you need me to repeat myself.. It fits his theme better, gives access to yet another win con, doesn't hurt his hand (Thus the whole point of dropping Smallpox), gives you access to a tutor on a stick (which is always nice in a deck with no card draw), and this would allow you to have both Liliana's on the field simultaneously limiting the chances he would ever have a dead draw. "...her ultimate is a game swinger" No more than Liliana Vess's ultimate.
At the end of the day, it'll come down to his personal taste anyway. But thanks for the reply!
1 week ago
Alt win condition:
4x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth (so that you can tap mutavaults and fetches for mana)
Main win condition:
4x The Rack
Getting rid of the afflictions is a terrible idea. You need all 8 rack effects to win the game and Quest for the Nihil Stone is a terrible top deck. If they know you have that, they will not keep anything in hand to let you trigger it. Also, why Liliana Vess over the best version of Liliana? She can discard, kill things and her ultimate is a game swinger so you should run 4x if possible. I agree with Fatal Push and removing the -x/-x spells. Bontu's Last Reckoning is a great sweeper and fits in our curve of under 3. If you want to run smallpox, up the land count to at least 23. Fetches allow you to get revolt when needed but give you the option for the white splash sideboard if you choose to later (its what I run).
Here is my deck that I have been tuning for a few months now and has a 55%(+/-) win rate on MTGO comp leagues and PPTQs: 8Rack If you need anymore help I am glad to give it and we also have a discord dedicated to 8 rack and tuning your individual deck for your meta.
1 week ago
Okay, constructive criticism incoming:
After looking through your decklist, you have a pretty solid theme going on here. It's a take on a classic that has been around for a while. Unfortunately, with how low cost your discard spells are, and with no draw power in the deck and very few creatures, you'll be top decking in no time, leaving your end-game to chance.
Obviously your creature base is nearly non-existent. That's not always a bad thing, but in your case I think it is.. for two reasons. One, I don't know about you.. but when running decks like this I prefer to have a backup plan (an alt win con, if you will) for killing my opponent. And two, creatures will protect you from fast decks early game. A deck like this will have nearly no chance to win against Elves, Goblins, or the like.. due to speed and no creatures on the board to protect you.
Here is what I would do:
-4 Duress (The card is too limiting, especially after the first few turns have passed)
+4 Funeral Charm (Giving you access to the only instant speed discard spell in Modern, also, gives you a few other options.)
-2 Drown in Sorrow (Too slow, imo. Also could hurt a couple changes I am suggesting to the deck)
-2 Languish (Similar reasons as listed above)
+4 Fatal Push (Faster, and doesn't hurt your own creature base)
-4 Smallpox (Great card, but hurts you as much as it does your opponent. You don't want to be top decking sooner than you have to be.)
-4 Buried Ruin (With how much devotion your deck is giving to early game black, you can't afford to chance colorless mana early game. Also, this distracts from your overall goal. If they get rid of one of your The Racks, no sweat, that's what alt win cons are for.
-1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth (No reason to run this and potentially give some advantage to your opponent when you're mono black as it is.)
+3 Swamp (Slightly fixing your mana base)
-3 Ensnaring Bridge (Doesn't flow as well as I'd like.)
+4 Master of the Feast (Gives you access to an alt win con, with built in evasion AND forces your opponent to draw, giving you access to more cards you can force him/her to discard.
-3 Nyxathid (Nice card, but with no evasion, weak to chump blockers)
+4 Hypnotic Specter (Built in evasion, fits the theme better giving you access to discard on a stick. Also gives added bonus of possibly hitting your opponents lands. Alternatively, Guul Draz Specter could fit this slot as well.)
-4 Shrieking Affliction (Good card, but...)
-1 Liliana of the Veil (Good card, but she hurts your hand, too)
+1 Liliana Vess (Fits your theme, gives you access to yet another win con, doesn't hurt your hand, gives you access to a tutor on a stick, and this would allow you to have both Liliana's on the field simultaneously.)
Overall this would give you a lower mana curve, in turn making your deck faster. It would give you access to alternate win conditions that still fit your theme. Would give you access to a few more creatures, giving you more early game protection. Would give you instant-speed discard. And would give you the ability in certain situations to affect your opponents mana base. I know these are a LOT of changes I am suggesting, but, even taking a few of them could help you out a lot.
Let me know what you think and if you end up using any of the suggestions!
1 week ago
i would say either add, or trade in Liliana Vess as she can empty Both graveyards onto your battlefield
3 weeks ago
If you are going esper colors, you got to go Esper Charm. It has Discard, Draw, and the ability to destroy a Blood Moon which is back breaking versus your deck. Also instead of Liliana Vess you should go either Liliana of the Veil or Liliana, the Last Hope.
Overall cool deck!