Fist of Suns
You may pay rather than pay the mana cost for spells that you play.
|Have (4)||metalmagic , winterwind10 , Eldritch_Morningstar , orzhov_is_relatively_okay819|
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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Rare|
|Fifth Dawn (5DN)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Fist of Suns occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
Fist of Suns Discussion
2 days ago
You can try it, but I think your land count is way too low. I think you could probably get by with 36, but if you ever hope to cast your commander I think you're going to want to experiment with increasing either the land count or the ramp count or both.
Fist of Suns, while good elsewhere, is really bad in most Ur Dragon decks. Just do the math on your average Dragon's CMC, and you'll quickly notice that because of the Eminence ability, most of the time you're actually only saving 1 mana and making your dragon's much more difficult to cast. Really bad trade off.
Now this criticism is only in relation to using Ur-Daddy as your commander. Without Eminence in play, the Fist of Suns ability becomes much better.
This is one of my favorite decks! Hope you have a great time playing it.
3 weeks ago
It may be an unpopular opinion, since Fist of Suns looks like the Infinity Gauntlet and was in the precon, but in my testing I've found both Fist of Suns and Jodah, Archmage Eternal are really terrible in this style deck.
Let me explain - Due to Emminence, Every 7 CMC creature in the deck is already discounted by one, meaning they are now 6 CMC. You, like myself, only run 1 creature that is more than 7 CMC. This makes Fist of Suns and Jodah function as extremely expensive and mana intensive versions of Dragonlord's Servant, which I would argue is already the worst of the ramp cards you have access to.
Sure these two cards do work with the commander - but the fact that you only run 1 other dragon above 7 CMC means these two cards do not synergize with 98% of your deck. They're both super cool, but I just don't think they have a place here.
I like your inclusion of Time of Need. Going to have to hunt one of those down for myself.
1 month ago
Cool deck! You might like these: Chakram Retriever, Intruder Alarm, Momir Vig, Simic Visionary, Horde of Notions, Omnath, Locus of the Roil, Varolz, the Scar-Striped, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, Illusionist's Bracers, Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith, Cerulean Wisps, Instill Energy, Nature's Chosen, Generator Servant, Fist of Suns, Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Jeskai Ascendancy.
Sisay finds Momir Vig, Vig finds Chakram Retriever (assuming you have a green card in hand to trigger Momir. 1/4 of your list is green so this should be no problem). You can then use Sisay to find Horde of Notions, Omnath LOTR, and Varolz. Sack Omnath to Varolz, use Jegantha to pay for Horde's ability to recast Omnath from grave, triggering Retriever to untap Jegantha. Repeat for infinite damage via Omnath's entry trigger. The other cards mentioned are just speed boosters
1 month ago
Really Cool and Unique Build! This reminds me of My Golos Dragon Stompy deck, which, like this list, deviates from the normal combo-heavy golos builds. One issue I think you might have with this build is exiling multiple gates with golos and being unable to cast them. Another issue is the lack of haste enablers and combat-focused in the Eldrazi archetype compared to dragons. Dragons have cards like Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, Dragonlord Kolaghan, Sylvia Brightspear, and Atarka, World Render, all of which help your dragons get in for a ton of damage very quickly, before your opponents can cast removal spells and/or sweepers. Despite these issues though, I really love the list and look forward to seeing how you upgrade it. Some good additions include: Worldly Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Lurking Predators and the Fist of Suns / Jodah, Archmage Eternal + Morophon, the Boundless combo.
1 month ago
A nice card I have in my dragon tribal deck is Fist of Suns, which can reduce the mana cost of some of the more expensive dragons. And if you have it out with Morophon, the Boundless then all your dragons are free...
1 month ago
Mnemonic Betrayal is almost always dissapointing for me. Fist of Suns and Jodah, Archmage Eternal are good with Jegantha, but not grabbable with Niv, so they might not be worth it. The deck might want Thief of Sanity because it takes Betrayal's slot and does something similar. It does die to removal, so it might not be the best.
2 months ago
2 months ago
sorry NeonEndymion, one last question. What is your experience with Fist of Suns and/or Jodah, Archmage Eternal? There is a cute little combo with Morophon, the Boundless that makes all dragons cost 0. But I have to assume that combo won't reliably be online and assess the worth of Fist and Jodah in isolation. Are they worth the card slot to make Ur-Dragon easier to cast and/or recast if removed? (Jegantha already makes Ur-Dragon much easier to cast) ...I think I'm answering my own question here and they should be left out...