Does Proliferate activate Planeswalker abilities?
Asked by Brainiac0 9 years ago
Pretty simple question.The proliferate effect is putting a counter of the kind already there on any amount of cards that have them, so... Say i use Steady Progress while i have a Kiora, the Crashing Wave on the battlefield will this trigger its +1 effect?
If the cost is adding loyalty counters and with proliferate it does just that, you sure it won't trigger?
January 21, 2015 6:42 a.m.
nighthawk101 says... Accepted answer #3
To activate the ability of a planeswalker, you pay the cost. For Kiora, the Crashing Wave, that first cost is adding one loyalty counter.
However, adding a loyalty counter from Proliferate does not count as paying that cost because it was part of another effect. As another example, sacrificing a creature to Fleshbag Marauder does not trigger Viscera Seer, since the sacrificing was not in order to activate the Seer's activated ability.
In the same vein, you aren't adding the counter with Proliferate to activate the ability, you are adding it due to another effect. Thus, Kiora's first loyalty ability would not trigger.
Do note that you can activate one of her loyalty abilities later (or earlier) on your turn, because, again, placing a counter does not activate a loyalty ability.
January 21, 2015 7:10 a.m.
306.5d Each planeswalker has a number of loyalty abilities, which are activated abilities with loyalty symbols in their costs. Loyalty abilities follow special rules: A player may activate a loyalty ability of a permanent he or she controls any time he or she has priority and the stack is empty during a main phase of his or her turn, but only if none of that permanents loyalty abilities have been activated that turn.
I can where the confusion stems from, hopefully this rule will clear it. Activating a loyalty ability cannot be done in any other way unless something like Chain Veil is allowing you to do so. Even if you some how add a counter to the planeswalker, you are NOT paying the associated cost.
The cost and ability are intrinsically connected to each other. You cannot tap Elvish Mystic to pay for a Scatter the Seeds AND add a green mana to your pool. Similar logic follows in this case.
January 21, 2015 7:13 a.m.
Proliferate doesn't trigger tha ability but you can use profilerate on plainswalkers. Meaning, you can do both, use the +1 ability of Kiora, the Crashing Wave and use Steady Progress to give Kiora combined +2 loyalty in one turn.
January 21, 2015 8:38 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
Activated abilities and triggered abilities are fundamentally different from one another. To activate an ability, you announce the ability and pay its cost. However, a triggered ability triggers whenever the trigger event happens. Triggered abilities cant be activated and activated abilities can't be triggered.
Boza says... #1
It will not trigger the plus 1 effect. Remember, all abilities of planeswalkers are activated abilties with costs and effects. The costs are usually adding or subtracting loyalty counters.
Steady Progress will however give kiora another loyalty counter, because the reminder text of proliferate is helpful enough to reminds that it works with ANY counter.
January 21, 2015 6:31 a.m.