Grief

Creature — Elemental Incarnation

Menace

When this enters the battlefield, target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card.

Evoke—Exile a black card from your hand. (You may cast this for its evoke cost. If you do, this is sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (45)

wallisface on Test of Talents vs. Hallowed …

1 month ago

I know you want to judge these in a vacuum, but I don't think that's a fair way to figure out which is the better option to run. Sideboards are quite literally dependent on the local meta, as well as the deck their for - some sideboard cards are much stronger in certain decks than others.

So, some questions:

• What deck is this for?

• What problem matchups are more common to show up in your meta? What does the rest of your sideboard look like and do you already have answers for some of these decks?

• Are you opposed to other cards that might solve your problems better? If so, why? Do you have budget restrictions here?

Personally, trying to judge this in a shell where I have no idea what you're playing, these cards feel alright for some matchups, and unideal for others:

• against Living End neither card feels particularly helpful. LE has access to both Grief and Force of Negation, so there's pretty high odds you're going to get your card taken from your hand if you're deck is a pro-active one (and if you're playing a control deck, there's just better tools available).

• against Indomitable Creativity both options seem fine, though Test of Talents feels better.

• against reanimation strategies neither feels ideal. You kindof want to turn-off the graveyard, and these cards just don't do that - they give the opponent too many ways to get back into the game after you've cast the spell.

• Hallowed Moonlight does seem nice for the tutor effects, but as far as undying/persist or infinite-creature-combos this feels only minimally helpful, in that it's just putting a Band-Aid over a severed limb.

TheOfficialCreator on Card creation challenge

2 months ago

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Create a common Incarnation, along the lines of the well-known Vigor, Grief, Subtlety, Anger, etc.

Dead_Blue_ on Scam Rack

2 months ago

Yea so after testing, this deck just doesn’t work.

When you get a Scam hand it’s amazing but it’s better just to protect Grief than it is to try to get Racks online & attack their hand.

When you don’t get a Scam hand there isn’t enough discard to make 8Rack an effective hand.

In conclusion just playing normal R/B Scam is a far better plan

Thanks for the feedback fellas

To answer questions, Force of Despair is an amazing card. I’m sure as soon as people figure this out the price will skyrocket through the roof.

Path of Peril could work but I personally prefer Damn

Collective Brutality is definitely the better card than March of Wretched Sorrow but I wanted a late game mana dump that could double as a pitch place for Undying Malice

I simple forgot to throw an Urborg in, fetches we’re for Fatal Push over thinning.

Anyway deck is RIP to me …easy come easy go

zapyourtumor on How Not To MTG

2 months ago

Dead_Blue_ I actually tried making a BW scam rack-type deck with Ephemerate and Grief and Elderfang Disciple here: BW Blink Rack

The main problems I ran into were that you cannot run the Undying Malice type cards because the only card they work with is Grief, and if you only have 4 targets, both Grief and Undying Malice are pretty terrible on their own and you won't hit the combo very often. So basically you are forced to run at least 4 more creatures and switch to flicker spells, but then you run into the problem of flicker spells being mono white and not pitchable to Grief, plus they are useless on their own. And even then I ended up trying to fit too many cards into one deck. So yeah if you want to run this type of deck you would need to cut herald and a lot of the artifacts, and sometimes the saga package too if you go BW.

However you did give me an interesting idea, which is if you included Fury as well and then went for a BR midrange scam rack type of deck. Rakdos gives you access to Kroxa, Fury, Bolt, K-Command, Terminate, etc.

Dead_Blue_ on How Not To MTG

2 months ago

I’d cut the Shadowmage & Herald for 2x more Grief and 4x Undying Malice

Scam Rack if you will

zapyourtumor on How Not To MTG

2 months ago

Necrogen Spellbomb is cute but a really weak card even with saga. I recommend 1 Pithing Needle and 1 Nihil Spellbomb in the main, both are really useful and the spellbomb can be cycled if graveyard hate isn't needed. To be honest, I know you want a lot of artifacts to tap for Herald, but Necrogen Spellbomb and Chromatic Star are probably getting sacrificed anyways so I don't think they are worth including. Grief is also kind of a bad card if you aren't building around it with flicker effects or like in BR scam decks so I'd cut both copies. And since Herald is a fat 7 cmc creature I'd definitely go down to 3, and maybe 2 copies. Most 8rack players have tested Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage since it was released and agreed that it isn't that good. 1 copy is sometimes played though.

I would probably replace them with removal like Bloodchief's Thirst, Fatal Push, and maybe 1x Dismember, and you also probably need the 8rack classic Raven's Crime which is absolutely amazing when getting mana flooded.

There is also the nonbo of Ensnaring Bridge preventing your Herald and constructs from attacking, which is why most rack players running saga cut down on mainboard bridge copies, but on the other hand ensnaring bridge is an artifact that taps for herald.

Also neither Animate Dead nor Dance of the Dead are legal in modern. A way to reanimate herald with Persist after discarding it with lili sounds interesting but probably not feasible unless you find a few other ways to discard herald. And at that point you'd be trying to fit too many things into one deck.

Dead_Blue_ on Vexed and Confused

2 months ago

Undying Malice?

This lets you evoke Grief turn 1 and put it onto the battlefield as well as 2 discard triggers to remove their best stuff

SpammyV on In defense of Veil of …

3 months ago

I think that given the power of former staple Cryptic Command and current staples like Force of Negation, Aether Gust, and Grief; that Veil is just a necessary evil in Modern so that there is some counter to these cards. Like Teferi, Time Raveler in that it's too much for the smaller Pioneer cardpool but needed in the larger one unless they want to ban whole swaths of cards.