Indulgent Tormentor or Visara the Dreadful?
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Posted on March 2, 2024, 1:07 a.m. by DemonDragonJ
I have a copy of Dread in my Kresh the Bloodbraided EDH deck, but that creature's ability is reactive, and I wish to replace it with a creature whose ability is proactive, and I am currently considering either Indulgent Tormentor or Visara the Dreadful, so which creature does everyone else here prefer?
griffstick says... #3
Ok, I've used all of those cards befor and the problem with them is
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Indulgent Tormentor, it's just a bad card, if it was 4 mana to cast I'd say yea it's just another version of Loyal Subordinate and you can run it. With giving your opponents 3 options it's bad.
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Visara the Dreadful, the cost to cast this at 6 mana is really one of the biggest problems with this card. Secondly, because it doesn't have haste, you'll have to wait a turn to use it. It's tap ability to destroy is really what's the best part of the card but because it's a tap ability you can't attack with the flying 5/5. That also applies to Avatar of Woe. Although Dread doesn't do anything that you can see (like Ghostly Prison). It seems like it's a bad card. But it's not. It hits for 6 with fear. And protection from the crack back.
In my honest opinion, you'd be better off running Royal Assassin in place of Visara the Dreadful or WOE. And running Ophiomancer in place of Dread.
March 2, 2024 8:24 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #4
griffstick, both Royal Assassin and Ophiomancer are too weak for my liking; I would like creatures that provide me with more options.
March 2, 2024 10:07 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #5
What about putting Ziatora, the Incinerator in that deck?
March 2, 2024 10:08 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #6
griffstick, what is your opinion of Archfiend of Depravity?
March 2, 2024 5:32 p.m.
griffstick says... #7
That card is highly underrated. I had totally forgot about it. Yes that card is fantastic.
March 2, 2024 7:27 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #8
griffstick, I am very glad to hear you say that, because I have been considering putting into several of my decks.
March 2, 2024 7:51 p.m.
FormOverFunction says... #9
I love indulgent tormentor. It isn’t nearly as high-speed as those other creatures listed, for sure, but I always enjoy having it in play. If they’re paying attention, your opponents will have to keep an extra creature around in case you choose them. If they’re not paying attention, all the better. Granted - I’m lucky to have a ton of different play groups at my shop, and I don’t have to worry about repeated cEDH beatings. Your mileage may vary. Indulgent Tormentor is one of a group of cards that I think get missed because there are better options, but they’re super enjoyable if you’re in a less-cut-throat environment.
March 2, 2024 7:58 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #10
FormOverFunction, I am very pleased to hear you say that, because I personally believe that Indulgent Tormentor is a very underrated card, and can definitely be useful, in the proper deck.
March 3, 2024 12:57 a.m.
FormOverFunction says... #11
DemonDragonJ - it also fits nicely in my torture deck, so I finally got it rotated back into there. So much fun.
March 3, 2024 11:32 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #15
shadow63, Bloodgift Demon is an excellent creature, but I need to ensure that any deck that contains it also has a reliable method for gaining life.
griffstick, Kaervek the Merciless is an amazing creature, but I cannot justify paying 7 mana for him, no matter how good his ability is, especially when he is only a 5/4, and Dread Presence is also awesome, but its emphasis on swamps limits it to one- or two-colored decks.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #2
I'd like to enter Avatar of Woe into the topic.
March 2, 2024 2:32 a.m.