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Wretched Confluence Discussion
1 month ago
Ok. Looks like you are on a budget, so I will break down suggestions based on price. I like what you have so far, and the number one place you could work on is in the lands, I think. I recommend dropping Vivid Grove and Vivid Marsh. They are much too slow and in 2 colors i think that the fixing isnt really that important. I also recommend dropping Terramorphic Expanse, Evolving Wilds, Golgari Guildgate, Jungle Hollow. Like I said before, these are maybe too slow. Id almost play basics over most of these. Imagine having the best hand ever. Turn 4 win. But two tap lands. Thatd ruin the experience. Try something like Woodland Cemetery, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Overgrown Tomb, Llanowar Wastes, Twilight Mire, and Tendo Ice Bridge could even be options for you. Most of these are not that high priced right now, with exception to Twilight Mire and Overgrown Tomb, and could easily be fit into your budget. My earliest mistake was thinking that my mana base could be upgraded later and I just wanted sweet new cards.
Now I think Ill make a few general suggestions as far as a cutlist goes:
I think Flash Foliage, while being a mainline on flavor, is a not great card with limited use. You need to have a creature attacking you to even cast it, so I feel it will be dead almost 98 percent of the time. Maybe something like Harmonize, to get that extra card advantage, could be something to replace it with.
Sprout has the same fantastic flavor that I think you're looking for, but it falls short in a couple ways. It's important to remember that sacrifices will need to be made in the flavor department in order to tune you deck to a more competitive state. While I would cut this one myself, I can see it if you had wanted to keep it. I think if it was up to me, I'd look at something like Awakening Zone or Ophiomancer. Not on your flavor, but cheap and efficient token generators that can generate lots of value. And value wins games. Shoutout to non budget Bitterblossom, one of the best cards in this category ever printed. Highly recommended.
A few cards are awesome, but I feel there could be a few upgrades made. Id cut Shapers' Sanctuary, Morbid Bloom, Verdeloth the Ancient, Wretched Confluence, Viridian Emissary, maybe Eldrazi Monument,and terastadon. I'd be looking at options like Fecundity, Parallel Lives, Night's Whisper, Protean Hulk, Beast Within, Pernicious Deed, I personally love Imp's Mischief, Crop Rotation, Fellwar Stone, Thran Dynamo is a card, Ashnod's Altar should def be here. I could keep going, but I built that deck already, lol.
Other suggestions are Mana Vault, Chrome Mox, and Dark Ritual if you are feeling cheeky. Just for some more fast mana. Less budget, but very good. I alsrecommend adding the Rings of Brighthearth+Basalt Monolith infinite mana combo, as it generates infinite tokens with ol' mushroom mouth.
I hope you find this helpful and I'm sorry if I came off too strong there. Love the deck though, that flavor is on point. +1 my friend. I hope you have fun with it when ol' boy is released. Look at my deck here for more ideas.
1 month ago
Having instants to flash back with Toshiro that arent just spot removal is important. Moonlight Bargain and Wretched Confluence are a little bit pricy in terms of CMC, but they can do a lot of work, and have uses outside of killing your opponents dudes.
1 month ago
How do Necropotence works for you? I am fearing that skipping your own draw phase wouldn't be too much.
4 months ago
4 months ago
I love the idea of this deck. +1 For you.
4 months ago
Hello again :D
Rework the landbase was what I was saying. Cutting the lands that enter the battlefield tapped for untapped options to give you an overall faster game instead of being slowed down by your manabase. Llanowar Wastes, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Tarnished Citadel-esque cards instead of the cycling and vivid lands. Overgrown Tomb is fetchable with your Wood Elves and covers both your colours. It feels bad having a Birds of Paradise in your opening hand with no way to put in on the field on turn 1.
Overall, the deck looks solid for a more budget build. You'll be doing things consistently that progress your board. I also suggest readding Mulch as a way to dig into your deck quickly. Even if you don't have the experience counters to reanimate what you put in the graveyard, Meren will just put it into your hand for later.
Re-add Skullwinder. A second copy of Eternal Witness is something this deck likes a lot, especially without access to a lot of tutor effects. The deathtouch blocker is also discouraging for people to swing into, so it could save you a few life along the way. Someone will almost always have a dud graveyard in a 4 player game, so the downside is not as huge of a factor as you would think.
With the drop in average cmc of your deck, along with the addition of 1 drop mana dorks, you could go down to 36 or 37 land and still consistently play your gameplan out. Cutting land is a so-called sacrilege of EDH, but with lower cmc comes the chance of having too many land and not enough action, especially when you don't have an outlet for excess mana. Just make sure to watch the colour skew in your deck and don't cut too many of one colour.
Wretched Confluence: In my experience, this is usually a draw 3 for 3 life. YMMV, but for 5 mana, you can do better, especially with things like Disciple of Bolas already in your deck. Life's Legacy could be a consideration.
Thought Vessel: Surprisingly, the no maximum hand size is not what we want. If you happen to go over 7 cards in hand, discarding creatures to reanimate later is where you want to be more often than not. This is a more proactive deck, and sitting on a giant mitt of cards you can't play at instant speed is not where you want to be. Even a 2 mana dork like Sylvan Caryatid is at least a creature you can use.
Other suggestions that came to mind:
Animate Dead: Having more ways to reanimate if Meren gets stuck where you can't access her easily can be handy. Your opponents will get used to you reanimating at end step, so a main-phase reanimation or bringing back both pieces of your combo in the same turn might slip under their radar. Reanimate as a non-budget alternative.
Abrupt Decay/Nature's Claim: Non-creature ways of dealing with problem cards like Rest in Peace, Humility, and Torpor Orb if those are cards you deal with in your meta. If you don't see either, sticking with your Reclamation Sage and Caustic Caterpillar should be fine. Maelstrom Pulse as a non-budget option.
Riftsweeper: A way to get back an exiled win con, on a body that can be recurred.
Revel in Riches: an alternative I-win card that incidentally provides value. No one will want to cast a wrath if you have this online, because it likely means you just win as a direct result of resetting the board
And apparently the suggestion tab only uses the first 16 linked cards. I learned something today.
5 months ago
Upvoted, cool deck :D
For my suggestions, I'd run more of the lords/tribal effects (vampires have a ton), and cut some of the more vanilla vampires. I'd search gatherer for any card containing the rule text "vampire" (and limiting to your colors).
Also, EDH is all about huge effects, and Stensia Innkeeper or Night Revelers are going to have a tough time keeping up. I like to imagine the worst case scenario, and see how the creature would do. For instance, your opponent has a Followed Footsteps on a Grave Titan. Something like Bloodline Keeper might stall a bit, but Falkenrath Reaver is just going to get overrun.
My friend has a vampire deck, and some effective bombs that I'd suggest are Anowon, the Ruin Sage, Malakir Bloodwitch, and Patron of the Vein.You could also run more solid, supporty cards like Rakish Heir, Stensia Masquerade, Stromkirk Captain, and Aphetto Dredging. Also, Basilisk Collar, Lightning Greaves, and Swiftfoot Boots are nice for your commander.
IMO, burn spells are generally not as good as the straight removal some of the other people suggested. My suggestions would be Sudden Death, Sudden Spoiling, and Urge to Feed, or, if you want a burn package to finish out opponents, Burn from Within, Fall of the Titans, Devil's Play, or Banefire (all of which have some sort of utility/reusability).
6 months ago
Typically fun and interesting read as ever berryjon.
I am firmly in the camp of loving 'modal' spells and am usually happy to 'overpay' mana for the privilege. Kicker seemed to me to be a great mechanic with so much design room especially in mixing colours. I'm not surprised it's found similar homes in disguise as other mechanics but it's a shame it hasn't come back just 'as is' yet.
I wanted to ask your thoughts on the Confluence Cycle and how you like that you can choose an option more than once? Fiery Confluence, Mystic Confluence, Righteous Confluence, Verdant Confluence, Wretched Confluence
...Also I feel like you could have linked Decision Paralysis for that last section too!