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- Fiery Confluence deals 1 damage to each creature.
- Fiery Confluence deals 2 damage to each opponent.
- Destroy target artifact.
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|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Rare|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Fiery Confluence occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
Fiery Confluence Discussion
1 week ago
If you want to take this deck to the next level, you should consider the following cards:
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Deafening Silence/Eidolon of Rhetoric/Rule of Law and Defense Grid: to slow down storm- and spellslinger-decks, to deny cardadvantage/ramp and to protect yourself against control and combodecks
- Lapse of Certainty/Mana Tithe/Burnout nobody expects white counters
- Your deck is lacking carddraw! Wheel of Fortune, Painful Truths, Necropotence, Heartwarming Redemption, Phyrexian Arena, Night's Whisper, Azra Oddsmaker & Dark Confidant (/Sign in Blood/Dawn of Hope)
- Toxic Deluge/Fire Covenant/Darksteel Mutation/Vandalblast/Grasp of Fate/Fiery Confluence(/Austere Command/Crush Contraband/Forsake the Worldly) - these are really good removals
- All the Moxes like Mox Opal, Mox Diamond etc.
- Lotus Petal, Rite of Flame to play your commanders on Turn 2
- Play some of the good 2 mana rocks like Orzhov Signet or Talisman of Conviction
- Land Tax & Wayfarer's Bauble (if you run enough basic lands, like now)
- Smothering Tithe - THE white staple and especially good with Wheel effects
- Imperial Recruiter, Recruiter of the Guard, Gamble or Diabolic Intent
- Play Stax to keep your opponents in check! Rest in Peace, Aura of Silence, Trinisphere, Cursed Totem, Hushbringer/Torpor Orb & Stranglehold
1 month ago
I'll cede the Nevermore point to you, the commander does indeed slip through it and yes I also know the card isn't played. The larger overall point though is that at any table you only have control over 100 of the 400 cards that see play and being vulnerable to a single card that shuts down your entire strategy is a liability. Especially when you play paper, people don't have 100% powered lists and often substitute hoser or situational cards. Regardless, the deck is still 100% dependent on the commander sticking on the table, and its practically your only source of card advantage. Any deck that handles the commander easily is going to shit all over your pile of 99. Replace Nevermore with Lignify or Kenrith's Transformation or Darksteel Mutation or Song of the Dryads or Imprisoned in the Moon and you have the exact same problem, your deck is shut off when your commander is handled. Rather than engage the actual logic of what I'm saying, you and your buddies are getting caught up on specific cards instead of overall types of interaction.
This deck crumples if it can't get commander triggers. That is the point I've been making. Stop misconstruing it.
You'll notice how when I talked about alternate costs, I even said you don't cast it for the regular CMC normally. I did say that in some situations, especially in grindier games, you may find yourself in a position where you end up casting the actual CMC of cards like Force of Negation as you don't wish to -1 card advantage your hand and you're packing the mana. Once again, why do you ask me if I'm reading your primer when you aren't reading my replies?
Yeah its neat that misdirection handles spells, I never said it didn't. I said it doesn't handle the 3 most important spells resolving in the format right now. I am well aware how it interacts with uncounterable cards. Once again, are you reading what I'm writing? Losing a permanent to Abrupt Decay sucks but losing the game to Tainted Pact is 100% worse. This is extremely easy comparative logic for anyone who is trying to win games.
I never spoke badly about Dark Ritual except to note its a consumable piece of mana, and doesn't help you in creating turn loops. I have no problem with its inclusion.
You must be seriously new if you don't understand that when I say Pyroclasm and variants, I'm talking about cards besides simply Pyroclasm. Every time I've mentioned it I've talked about pyroclasm effects, I'm talking about Anger of the Gods Earthquake Toxic Deluge Rolling Earthquake Fiery Confluence Sweltering Suns Fire Covenant Sudden Demise and Subterranean Tremors. There are also all kinds of "Destroy all creatures" effects that I didn't list. Yes, I am highly aware that 2 damage from pyroclasm doesn't kill Yuriko, but it sets back your board state, and all the other pyroclasm VARIANTS do kill Yuriko. This strategy is also seen in decks like Ruric Thar or Keranos. Its more usually seen in tier 2 decks that are able to engage the meta due to how creature heavy the current meta is. Being proud for playing cedh but only playing against 6 different decks doesn't really give you a huge representation of the viable decks in the format. It means you're still new. Yes its good to be aware of the tier 1 decks and the commonly played decks, but if you're running into more fringe decks that are able to leverage these kinds of cards against you, your deck is going to lose in more places than it should. Especially since many tier 1 partner decks are able to utilize these creature blow out cards with things specifically like Sudden Demise.
This leads into Xantcha being a competitive deck. It is 100% a competitive deck, there are decks besides Flash Hulk you need to be aware of. Especially in the current creature heavy meta, continuously blowing out the board turns your Pyroclasm effects into 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 trades to keep ahead of Blue and Green decks. It isn't a tier 1 deck, but if you play cedh you'll run into this deck or another deck that trades specifically on big creature hate. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xantcha-combo-control/
Similarly, you'll run into a planeswalker commander like Animatou that is able to run big creature hate effects like Humility that once again, completely blow this deck apart.
I am not friends with SolelySelesnya and I don't know him personally or online. I just find these lists haven't explored new territory with Yuriko.
You guys can spend all day saying I'm rude until you're blue in the face, but I made a simple comment on both lists asking why they didn't run a specific card. Rather than respond, or tag me, or answer me, they deleted the comment and wrote a note about it that I received no notification for, and had to dig to find. Me posting on their lists is not passive aggressive, not being able to even respond to a comment and deleting it is passive aggressive. Also why complain about my tone when you use the same post to engage in the exact behavior you're so mad about? If you had just taken 3 minutes to respond giving your very basic reasoning for card justification instead of deleting comments, we could have had this conversation without you getting upset.
Now to respond to Rad Dummy specifically
If you don't think pyroclasm is cedh playable you need to reevaluate. Look at the proliferation of green due to the 7 mana different turn 1 mana dorks available to the color. Players keep 2 land hands because it includes a Llanowar Elves. Look at the amount of hatebear strategies that are significantly chipped away at from Pyroclasm and variants. Look at value enablers like Edric, Spymaster of Trest or even just Dark Confidant that are blown out by Pyroclasm. For real, the card definitely sees play. Board wipes ARE relevant for Yuriko because without a creature on the board you must cast then pass, not getting the immediate card advantage trigger. You also lose further card advantage from not being able to land other ninjas on players too for additional triggers. Your inability to see this makes me think little of your critical faculties.
Diving Top is indeed a grindier card, but you're missing the point I've been making the entire time. Your ONLY pile cracker outside of your commander is Brainstorm or Thought Scour. When your commander isn't available, your DD is a dead card in hand. Rather than respond to this point, you keep sidetracking about how its too much mana investment or only good for grindier games. Not every game is going to curve perfectly into a turn 4 or 5 win. Running DD and only running a pilecracker via your commander is short sighted. Rather than respond to that point, you keep sidetracking. Have you considered that maybe Doomsday isn't the exact same strategy as the rest of the Yuriko deck? Maybe by choosing to slot DD, you have to include build around cards to help find it and resolve it smoothly?
Its neat that you're getting real upset and want to patronize me about math. I only talked explicitly about mana costs, and didn't misspeak. The ability to start the time warp with 5 mana and take the extra turn into the land drop for the 6 mana for the loop is neat and should be included in the primer for the combo, but the combo has far bigger problems. You also never responded to my point about assuredly getting to 6 mana reliably with 29 lands and 4 pieces of ramp, only 3 of which can execute the loop. You're assuming a lot of Yuriko triggers that are not guaranteed. Once again, the back up combo still relies heavily on getting Yuriko triggers. It isn't helping you in match ups where Yuriko struggles.
- Breezecaller is a creature and can be removed by LITERALLY any color at any point to disrupt the combo
- Mystic requires 3 other islands in play, meaning you absolutely 100% cannot start the combo before turn 4 at the earliest
- Mystic requiring 3 other islands means you are vulnerable to Strip Mine or Wasteland or MLD while setting up
- Mystic returning from GY means literally any piece of targeted grave hate stops this combo. Any deck can run Tormod's Crypt, while many opt for more efficient pieces of GY removal or GY hate
- Time Warp requires a cast every time and can be disrupted. It can also be Misdirection'd lol
- Extra turn hate is present in some decks especially in the form of Stranglehold.
The combo is basically hoping everyone is tapped out or has 0 instants in their hands. While it may be slot efficient with other things that you wish to run, it is by no means efficient or fast overall.
I know you're trying to carve out a name for yourself, but you are clearly inexperienced. Playing against 6 decks that are copies of Shaper lists doesn't encompass the entirety of the competitive scene. Both this deck and your own list are extremely vulnerable to a handful of cards and a couple overarching strategies. Rather than engage critically and employ your big boy thinking pants, you would rather split hairs over "Xantcha could NEVER be competitive viable" or "Go watch casual YT video". My point stands. Rather than engage with honest critique, your ego is much too fragile to imagine that maybe the list you made has problems and isn't perfect. @ me if you wish to continue further discussing these points, otherwise lets save both of us any future headaches and leave this be.
3 months ago
Hi cheeseycrackers, I really like it. I might consider changing out Besmirch and Fiery Confluence for a bigger Sunforger package and a little more protection (And style points) with cards like Mana Tithe , Apostle's Blessing , Faith's Shield and Rebuff the Wicked which have all worked great for me. Having said all that, I would be more than happy to play your build, looks fun and strong!
3 months ago
5 months ago
Play more cards that are pingers! Even really small creatures like 0/1s or 1/1s because when you have an army of pingers, no one can attack you because you just ping the creatures and kill them before they can deal damage. "End step, deal 15 damage to all your creatures" is feasible in Torbran. Cards like Brimstone Trebuchet , Vulshok Sorcerer , Lobber Crew , Cinder Pyromancer , or Vithian Stinger . Usually all of these cards are 3 mana with upside which is perfect because once Torbran is on the field on turn 4 or 5, none of them will have summoning sickness and you can bolt away
And play fewer cards that aren't pingers! like wtf do you need The Immortal Sun for? 6 Mana Artifacts in red should be winning the game, not dragging it out longer. In red, I think, cards that aren't killing things aren't worth it. Stranglehold ? Why? It's so corner-case. It's not that cards like that are bad, but why play that when you could play another pinger or bolt? What does Caged Sun even do in the deck? Double your mana and buff your few creatures? A top of the curve artifact that lets you cast things you could already cast, lovely. Red Elemental Blast AND Pyroblast ? What does a burn deck think it's doing carrying around counterspells. And not just counterspells, but corner-case counterspells, and 2 of them?? Corner-case cards are just terrible in high variance formats. Like compare Demystify to Forsake the Worldly or Return to Dust . These cards are more versatile. Cards like Fiery Confluence , which you have, are flexible cards that can do either multiple things or can hit a variety of targets
Chaos Warp is an interesting card and most people use it on their own permanents to chance a better one. In this deck, it probably hits a land card or a non-permanent card. However, against an opponent, it's a removal spell at best (Target a permanent, shuffle, they flip and it's a non-permanent), but at worst your opponent gets a better permanent. for in Torbran, you can be dealing upwards of 5 or 6 damage, which pretty much kills most creatures. Chaos Warp does hit permanents, which red usually does have a hard time dealing with, but there are very few silver bullets. Off the top of my head, Leyline of Sanctity . But a card that gets around that (and that I think you should be playing in place of a mountain) is Detection Tower . However, more reliable permanent destruction could be Unstable Obelisk
Lands and permanents are hella good in Burn. Like sure, you can dump your hand and deal 31 damage, but that doesn't win the game. You've got at least 40 life to kill. You can use your lands! Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle , Dwarven Mine , or Spinerock Knoll , all great lands that can be used to keep getting hits in. Vance's Blasting Cannons Flip is super easy to transform into Spitfire Bastion , especially with cantrips
Strictly Worse / Particularily Bad Cards-
Sentinel Tower -> Not red, no buff. 4 mana for something that probably does about 1 or 2 every turn
6 months ago
It isn't quite as good as Lightning Helix since you only add 3 to red burn spells for each instance of damage they do, not 6. But yes, you name white (naming red doesn't work to make your life gain into bigger life gain since FS&SS deal the damage not the spell on the triggered ability) and then your burn spells deal 3 extra damage per instance of damage being dealt.
You may notice that I am being careful to say "per instance of damage". This is because FS&SS are going to trigger for each time you gain life, and different instances of damage being dealt are different instances of lifegain from lifelink. This means that Cone of Flame will give you three triggers, Fiery Confluence will give you a FS&SS trigger for each damaging mode you choose, Chandra's Fury gives you two triggers, and Fireball gives you one.
7 months ago
so some recommendations I would do: Add, Solemn Simulacrum K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth Dark Deal Blasphemous Act Move to Mainboard, Bone Miser Chaos Warp Gibbering Descent Vandalblast Curse of Fool's Wisdom Also there is a card that I just like to run. It's Fiery Confluence
7 months ago
Also, Fiery Confluence can deal 3 damage 3 times to an enrage getting you 3 triggers as state based actions aren't checked while a spell is resolving.