Sea of Clouds
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Sea of Clouds Discussion
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
Sorry if it took me a while to get back to your request. If you're looking for more flicker effects, there's also Displace. I think Parallax Wave would also work as well here as it does in my Aminatou deck. You should definitely try it.
You might also want to improve your land base. Some fetches, Hallowed Fountain, and Sea of Clouds? I've also seen some guys use Hall of the Bandit Lord in Brago decks. That might be worth considering as well.
1 month ago
So let's talk budget, relatively speaking, land base upgrades. For starters all of the Battlebond lands almost always enter into play untapped Spire Garden Sea of Clouds Morphic Pool Luxury Suite and Bountiful Promenade and by rough estimate you can get all of them for about $35-40. These could easily replace the respective Scry Temples of the same colors so that you don't get in the way of your mana distribution.
Rootbound Crag and the similar style lands are quite good, except you aren't running any basic lands in this deck and therefore this will always enter into play tapped unless you happen to have your Canopy Vista in hand.
On that note, I would consider swapping out some of the enter into play tapped lands for a couple of Forest and running one of each basic land. This would allow you to push in a Cultivate or Kodama's Reach to allow you to ramp into the colors you need for what you have in hand at the time. This would have the added bonus of your Zendikar lands having a chance to enter into play untapped.
For the tri-color lands, I would consider running a full set of all the Lairs and removing the tri color lands that strictly enter play tapped. They are good in three color decks for early color fixing but in 4-5 color decks they just seem to slow you down. The lairs at least let you tap the land you bounce back first to get the mana in your mana pool so you can have a chance to play out something.
And finally, promise we are almost done!, if you can get more of the various lands that are "dual" types ex Plains Forest etc, those can be fetched out by Karametra, God of Harvests if they have Plains or Forest as one of those types. Sword of the Animist also allows you to go fetch basic lands out of your deck for swinging with a creature, which is something you're gonna want to do with this deck anyway.
Phew!! Sorry for the lengthy commentary, hope this helps or gives you some ideas of things you can do to improve you land base with spending thousands of dollars on true duals. :)
2 months ago
MagicBlake Yeah, good catch! In my first update, I made the observation about Alhammarret's Archive being way better than I'd originally thought because of exactly that. I apparently forgot to change my description though. So I'll have to fix that - thanks! Which reminds me, Thought Reflection might be a worthy consideration.
aamirmac92 I've considered at least Training Grounds, as it was suggested previously. I think I have all of six creatures which would benefit from it. The economy doesn't seem to be there.
Coward_Token Path to Ancestry is probably worth replacing any one of a number of basic lands. As are Morphic Pool, Sea of Clouds, and a few others. When I was building this deck, I got into the mindset I typically do when building decks that basic lands matter. Most of my decks typically involve some amount of basic land fetch, both for consistency and deck-thinning. This deck contains little to none of that, save the ability to recycle fetch lands, so I could probably stand to adjust the land base.
Nerrzull I would certainly appreciate any direct feedback you might have. I'm always open to suggestions. :)
2 months ago
If you can easily get your hands on them, I highly recommend replacing all the Vivid lands with the new Battlebond lands, Morphic Pool, Bountiful Promenade, Luxury Suite, Spire Garden, and Sea of Clouds.
2 months ago
Mana Fixing - Hard to go wrong with Chromatic Lantern! Since your commander costs 4, Coldsteel Heart or Fellwar Stone might not be bad ideas to go along with your signets so that you can ramp it out on turn 3. As far as lands go, I think they're gonna be your best bet for filtering since you have so many options available to you! Aside from the obvious dual lands and fetch lands; there are the rest of the filter lands cycle with Mystic Gate and Sunken Ruins; there's the old Odyssey filters Skycloud Expanse and Darkwater Catacombs; River of Tears and Nimbus Maze are criminally underplayed but fantastic cards; there are the new battlebond lands Morphic Pool and Sea of Clouds; and lastly there are the lands that tap for any color like Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Forbidden Orchard.
As far as staying alive goes, I notice you already have Solemnity in your maybeboard to combo with Glacial Chasm and Delaying Shield but another card that works well with Delaying Shield is Soul Echo. As long as Soul Echo has one counter on it, you're pretty much immune from damage. Also it's another card that lets you drop below 0 life. Obviously not a great combo with Solemnity but I think running one of the two wouldn't be a bad idea!
On the other side of that coin, if you happen to have Repay in Kind in hand and need to be at 0 life, Wall of Blood or Hex Parasite can help with that. Hex Parasite can only drain in increments of 2 but is a bit more versatile of a card whereas Wall of Blood can drain one life at a time, but is pretty much there only for that.
Hope some of this helped at all!
2 months ago
Ah it's good to see that you have built an Atraxa, Praetors' Voice decklist, and one that is more unique than most (even mine admittedly). I use to include all the praetors in mine for the flavor as well as a bit of infect, but my Atraxa deck paints a big enough target on me at my lgs without those kind of cards as people have seen what it is capable of. I have games turn into essentially archenemy at times. I'm still undecided on the direction of the deck ultimately but it's already my most expensive edh deck. But enough talk of my list, here are some suggestions to consider:
(LANDS) Sea of Clouds in place of an Island, Morphic Pool in place of a Swamp, then cut maybe Manifold Insights for another land like Bountiful Promenade as I think your land count is a bit low. Other changes I would make would be to add an Inkmoth Nexus, and a Reliquary Tower. Inkmoth Nexus has evasion and if your goal is to win with infect you will want as much early game cards as you can to get early poison counters in. I would take out Saltcrusted Steppe for Inkmoth Nexus, and then cut Steady Progress (You already have better ways to proliferate, a number of which are repeatable unlike this one, maybe i'm wrong on this one but I think there's better cards you could have over it here) for Reliquary Tower (while this may not be relevant that often, look at how many cards Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur nets you if he sticks around and you will notice you have no way to have an unlimited hand size). And since you happen to have quite a few sources of proliferate, it might not be a bad idea to put Gavony Township in here to help your creatures out since so many on their own are quite weak.
(CREATURES) I would swap Corpse Cur for Phyrexian Swarmlord, as I don't really see many good targets for infect creatures to bring back outside of course Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon. Viridian Corrupter might be another infect creature you might want to consider using, I have to say spots are looking tight for me to suggest cuts for some cards but I think for this one I would swap Putrefy for this additional infect creature.
Additionally, while I see that you aren't concerned really with +1/+1 counters I still think Champion of Lambholt might be worth consideration for helping to get infect creatures through for even as much as an outright kill. For other aggressive options, you could go the route of Blightsteel Colossus which can simply kill players (It's kind of pricey, but i'm not sure if that's a concern for you). If you were to use this card however, you would want to make sure it's protected from the likes of your Swords to Plowshares etc with Lightning Greaves, Asceticism, Whispersilk Cloak or even additionally with Conqueror's Flail which I talk about more later. Putrefax is kind of similar if even not as strong, and perhaps this kind of strategy can pay off well with the use of equipment and maybe even some pump spells if we were to take inspiration from modern/legacy infect lists?
They rely on taking usually 1-2 infect creatures and pumping them up with cards like Berserk, Become Immense, Vines of Vastwood, Invigorate, Groundswell, Blossoming Defense etc to go for a kill, and while some of these might not seem as effective here in commander, I still think a couple like Berserk and Become Immense are worth using because I already see you have Rancor here and these can help get around the fact that many infect creatures are quite weak on their own. And on that topic of infect creatures being generally frail, a few cards that you could consider using here to solve that would be Teferi's Protection, Spellskite(great for taking removal off your more important creatures), and or Heroic Intervention. A few other cards that modern infect lists make use of from time to time are Distortion Strike, Apostle's Blessing, and then of course the staple Noble Hierarch and Pendelhaven. As I said before the general gameplan with such decks is to attack with generally 1 or so infect creatures and back them up with pump spells like those and more mentioned above, and that's where Noble Hierarch and Pendelhaven (pairs well with Glistener Elf, Blighted Agent, Plague Stinger, Inkmoth Nexus and the like) give the attacker a boost to kill outright in as early as turns 2-4. A few cards that might help with this route would be Duelist's Heritage, the previously mentioned Champion of Lambholt, Spinebiter, Apostle's Blessing (can be used for offense or defense), and Slip Through Space. And I see you have a couple counterspells here, and so maybe this is foolish enough to work, but I think you should consider using Hatred here. It can be put either obviously on an infect creature that is not being blocked/can't be blocked (many good targets would be Blighted Agent, Inkmoth Nexus, Putrefax provided you added it of course) or any other evasive creature or what may not at first be obvious to be used on your commander, because ask yourself how many players early on/mid game are going to stop you from attacking them say maybe 1-2 times with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice who is a 4/4 deathtouch/flying/vigilance creature? What you can do with this is pay all of that life to simply kill someone with Atraxa and then gain all that life back :)
While maybe I fear a bit redundant similarly to Grafted Exoskeleton, Triumph of the Hordes is a card that maybe you have overlooked here. The trample can be very useful for getting damage through and I would probably want to play a card like this over Praetor's Grasp, Wargate, or Viridian Longbow possibly? I have to say that I agree with FiveEightFiveBC's observation about Grafted Exoskeleton, I think if you want to stick with equipment that is yet better, either use Sword of Feast and Famine/Sword of Light and Shadow or something like Conqueror's Flail. I could see stacking a bunch of equipment and using stuff like Hatred, Duelist's Heritage, Become Immense, Glistening Oil, Fireshrieker, Sword of Vengeance, and such just on your commander as a legitimate gameplan also with or without infect.
Lastly, similarly to my earlier suggested Gavony Township, I was curious if your opposed to the inclusion of any planeswalkers here? Because I believe Nissa, Voice of Zendikar could do well here. Others to consider would be Ajani Steadfast, and Venser, the Sojourner. You wouldn't even have to go far with this, as too much and you start to change the theme of the deck, but these few that I highlighted might be of use to you here I thought with or without the likes of Doubling Season, and all the other obvious things that you would use with planeswalkers.
I will try to think of more suggestions, but I think this is enough for now to say the least as I will let you know I spent about 75 minutes in all coming up with all of this so far I think! Let me know what you think of all of this, as I know I suggested a ton of things and not all of which did I havsuggestions on what to replace them with. On a side note, I have to say i'm a bit jealous, do you happen to actually have a specific copy of that judge promo Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite?