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|From the Vault: Annihilation (V14)||Mythic Rare|
|Masters Edition III (ME3)||Rare|
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Rolling Earthquake deals X damage to each creature without horsemanship and each player.
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Rolling Earthquake Discussion
3 weeks ago
Hello! I love to see how you are updating the list and our versions are kind becoming more different. I start to feel like i have my own deck instead of just a copy and it's quite great :D i'm also glad to have been able to help you improve your list!
Some coments about stuff you said that called my attention:
1) I've been consistently and surprisingly impressed by Lightning Bolt! Acts like a doom blade most of the time, instant speed is huge, and the fact that can hit walkers is the best. I've noticed there's not much efficient red removal that hits walkers! I wish they printed something like a Flame Slash that can hit walkers too, and the lack of it is what's keeping me out of Mizzium Mortars, it's sorcery and doesn't kill walkers. I'm gonna stick to bolt for now, and i can't honestly believe i'm defending that card in edh multiplayer xd
2) I also like Rolling Earthquake despite it not hitting walkers cause it's the most efficient X damage boardwipe that there is, and i love the fact that hits players. It's a fireball, can end the game on the spot, or can help take out problematic opponents. The alternative i was considering for an effect like that was Comet Storm, but for now i'm sticking with the earthquake until further testing.
3) I'm very curious to hear how Tilonalli's Summoner goes for you. To me that card has always looked like a win-more thing or a bad Tempt with Vengeance, but i'm willing to be proven wrong. Pia Nalaar looks good to me cause it's very consistent value (i always loved her activated abilities) and the fact that thopters seems to be grenzo's best friends.
I'm still a bit on defense about Legion Warboss. I like from the rabblemaster that he can pull out a shitton of damage on its own. I'm gonna be playing warboss in standard so i'm waiting to get some general experience with the card before i put it in.
Furthermore Experimental Frenzy looks really good and something i wanna test after i get some games with Stolen Strategy. I feel it's mostly an enabler for strategies that want to be super proactive at some point, and i'm not sure it fits ours as we wanna be very controlling and oportunistic at times. I'm also not sure we have as much ways to do things with the cards that get stuck in our hand. The fact however that you can just destroy it when it stops being good is what makes it worth the shot, so i'll be testing it at some point, probably after i get the chance to see it playing a bit in standard too.
5) I forgot to mention last time, but i was also considering taking off Insurrection for Molten Primordial. The cealing of the primordial is lower, as he steals less stuff, but i like that he offers more consistent value and gives you a big body you can keep, which make it better than insurrection against spell-based decks.
Now that i have more time i'll work on putting my version on tappedout with a bunch of anotations for these specific cards that are different from your take on the deck, and i will link your version so people can see the basic explanation of the concept, general card choices and your videos. We will have a nice place going on for people wanting to make a strong Grenzo list, which is exciting!
3 weeks ago
Pinkie_Satanas, I agree that loyal apprentice is better than young pyromancer here but I'd definitely try to play both instead of one or the other. Regarding Sandstone Oracle, I like it in most multiplayer decks that play Mishra's Workshop, sol lands, and fast rocks. As you mentioned, it has good synergies with cards in the deck (namely, welder and daretti), which is why I keep it. That Chandra let's us accomplish multiple things--get additional grenzo triggers with her +1 and draw cards with her 0--but I'd say it's harder to get her on the board than it's to get Oracle, and Oracle is immediate card advantage. I'd test her (have not done that in the past, I don't think) but honestly think that Oracle is better in multiplayer. (I don't ever think it's correct to build an edh deck either bottom-up or top-down. I tend to build my decks balancing bottom-up and top-down ideas, so that I can use a few things that synergize well with my commander when it's available but when I cannot rely on my commander, I also have a few things that can keep me in the game, and Oracle goes in the latter direction.)
Yeah, I don't like Temple of the False God and I think it should never be played in a competitive list because you want things rolling way before you get other 4 lands into play. It also doesn't work well with bombers and ruination. The only real alternatives to workshop are sol lands--ancient tomb and city of traitors. Scavenger grounds might be a good option against gy-based strategies but that's meta-dependent.
I've had way too many bad experiences with Chaos Warp and decided I'd never play it again. It's probably okay against cEDH decks, as most run a whole bunch of nonpermanents but holy damn, it feels bad to remove something and put something way worse into play. Enchantment-based decks are a pain in the ass for this deck, and if your opponent starts sitting on prison effects, your best bet is to plan on burning him (I've killed many players that way with a spikeshot elder behind a mana doubler, like Gauntlet of Might, and a sword) or hit another opponent to find mass bounce/removal spells to cast. We've bad matchups, and that's one of them. Don't think it's a reason to play Warp because chances are that the Ghostly Prison will become something much more troublesome, like Mirari's Wake.
Mizzium Mortars is an interesting replacement for Rolling Earthquake, now that it doesn't hit walkers anymore. Tremors is horrible with all our artifacts, and personally, I don't think Jitte belongs to any multiplayer list. It's great in 1v1 but doesn't do enough in multiplayer. Stay with the swords, especially feast and famine.
1 month ago
Only problem with Rolling Earthquake is that I often smash my own life total during the early game (shocks, mana crypt, etc.) and it would rely on me having the highest life total when I cast it!
Usually I find that once I have infinite mana it's trivial to draw my entire deck so only having two "win condition cards" has usually not been a problem :)
1 month ago
sdidonato: I have considered it before, and at one point ran Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun. What I found was that I really couldn't take advantage of all the extra mana, and was only getting the slight anthem effect out of it, so 4 CMC was a rough cost just for that.
Since I doubled up on the Blood Moon effect I am also a little iffy about running Might specifically and doubling the mana that the opponent's Mooned mountains make.If I ran more mana sinks (Goblin Warrens/Rolling Earthquake/Indomitable Creativity for instance) and had more mana creators (Mana Echoes), it would definitely justify running something like Might.
Who knows, I've been making regular changes to this deck recently to add some freshness to it now and then, so maybe mana doublers and mana sinks are on the horizon!
1 month ago
1 month ago
Dankey that double-post xD! Sweltering Suns and Rolling Earthquake would generally be more versatile than Anger of the Gods, but I love Scavenger Grounds with effects such as Titania, Protector of Argoth and other such beneficial effects.
2 months ago
You have 137 cards, you need to drop 37?
Drop all three temples, bounce lands, Sunken Hollow and Smoldering Marsh, Forge of Heroes, Command Beacon, the three lands like Sulfur Falls, Dragonskull Summit, Desolate Lighthouse, and Drowned Catacomb, total of 13 lands, but add City of Brass, Gemstone Caverns, Ancient Tomb, Mana Confluence, Tarnished Citadel, Gemstone Mine, Shivan Reef, Underground River, and Command Tower
Total loss of cards = 5, rest needed = 32
Mainboard additions I'd suggest?
Talisman of Dominance, Fellwar Stone, Talisman of Indulgence, Bottomless Pit, Dark Confidant, Snapcaster Mage, Timetwister, Ponder, Brainstorm, Laboratory Maniac, Demonic Consultation, Tainted Pact, Imperial Seal, Dismember, Chain of Vapor, Pact of Negation, Mystic Remora, Swan Song, Delay, Dispel, Liliana of the Veil, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Mox Diamond, Lotus Petal, and Rolling Earthquake.
Addition of 27 cards = 59 total to drop
Xantcha, Sleeper Agent, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, Vedalken Humiliator, The Scarab God, Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh, Liliana Vess, The Eldest Reborn, Painful Quandary, Pendrell Mists, Mind's Dilation, Omniscience, Leyline of Anticipation, Hero's Downfall, Stunning Reversal, Rakdos Charm, Thrilling Encore, Countersquall, Desertion, Go for the Throat, Fraying Omnipotence, Hour of Devastation, Tormenting Voice, Torment of Hailfire, Syphon Mind, Disrupt Decorum, Dark Intimations, Cruel Ultimatum, Blatant Thievery, Beacon of Unrest, Blasphemous Act, Damnation, Bloodchief Ascension, Disciple of Bolas, Etali, Primal Storm, Nightveil Specter, Fell Specter, Blazing Specter, Augur of Bolas, Clever Impersonator, Jace's Archivist, Kess, Dissident Mage, Mystic Confluence, Disallow, Cryptic Command, Reforge the Soul, Megrim, Liliana's Caress, Entreat the Dead, Phyrexian Arena, Rhystic Study, Search for Azcanta Flip, Dream Salvage, Chromatic Lantern, Expedition Map, Lightning Greaves, Worldgorger Dragon, Animate Dead, Gonti, Lord of Luxury and Glacial Chasm
That should do it! 100 card deck!
The biggest upside to my switches and drops is the extreme amount of lowering that is done to the average cmc of the deck, along with the droppage of slower cards that do little without other spells. The new gameplan would be use discard and disruption like countermagic and removal to stop your opponents just long enough to use Laboratory Maniac with Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact to exile your deck, and usually a draw spell like Brainstorm. More tutors for consistent gameplay is in the switches too.
2 months ago
+1! Love the decklist!
Why don't you run Rolling Earthquake?