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Counter target spell. Its controller may draw up to two cards at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.
You draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.
Arcane Denial Discussion
1 day ago
Love the match-up. I run TYS Kess as well, and it can run super smooth. I have a few quality of life upgrades I can recommend, but ultimately everything has to come down to what works best in your local meta.
For starters, I would reduce the land count by about 3-5. Particularly, I would cut Nykthos and then a combo of islands and/or swamps. Devotion works well in mono to two color decks, but TYS relies on you pulling spells more than lands or permanents, so you won't get as much value out of it here. Instead, I'd recommend Temple of the False God . Most times, you can get it online fairly regularly and having one land that taps for 2 colorless is pretty dope. I'd also recommend either the Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks . Karoo lands may set you back just a bit, but you want as much value as you can get out of it. Ultimately, I'd say drop back to 34 lands, and add Temple and a Karoo land of your preference into that mix.
Next, you have a decent creature-base, but I would tweak and trim that a little bit as well. I'd sub out Hypersonic Dragon for Backdraft Hellkite and remove Crypt Ghast and Consecrated Sphinx . All of those are solid choices in most cases, but Ghast hits the same issue that Nykthos does. Hypersonic is decent for value, but opening your graveyard further with Backdraft so you're not limited to just 1 card per turn is huge on your storm turn. Lastly, Sphinx is an absolute monster of a card, but it might come out a little too late to really get you ahead. I'd add a Mystic Remora , but that's personal preference. Honestly, Sphinx could go either way depending on your meta.
As for Instants, I'd sub out Boomerang for Chain of Vapor , Counterflux for Flusterstorm , Countersquall for Negate , Dissipate for Swan Song , Reverberate for Increasing Vengeance , Rewind for Muddle the Mixture , and Undermine for Disallow . My reasoning for Chain is that most people won't sacrifice a land to copy it, and if you really need to save something, you can do it to yourself, sac a land, and then bounce someone else's permanent. Not to mention, it's a good way to keep something heavy off the board if they use a ritual to sneak a threat in early. As for the counterspells, some of them in there seem a little narrow compared to the ones you had (i.e. they target specific card types), but the most threatening things you'll deal with on your main storm turn are instants and cards with flash, so conditional counters work as good defense for off-turn threats. Also, Muddle the Mixture is a great tutor if you have a lot of 2 CMC cards, because it will fetch you any of them for just 3 mana. It also doubles as a counterspell sometimes. For Increasing Vengeance , I always recommend this over other red copy spells because it gets so much more value out of the graveyard, even more so if you cast it with Kess. Instead of having to pay the flashback, you play its normal CMC and get a double-copy for the price of one (not to mention its interaction with TYS).
Artifacts, I'd swap Manalith and Vedalken Orrery for Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Creativity . Extra mana rocks will help you get around land destruction, and provide you extra mana acceleration earlier. They also don't require you to filter mana the same way the signets do, but in exchange they do hurt.
I'd see if you can fit a Narset, Parter of Veils in place of Liliana. She works wonders for digging purposes, and totally shuts down everyone else's draw.
Lastly, for sorceries, I'd remove Barter in Blood , Decree of Pain , Fabricate , and Mana Geyser . In their place, I'd put Anger of the Gods , Cabal Ritual , Entomb , and Desperate Ritual . Anger absolutely nukes graveyard value, and if you hit it off storm it only gets stronger. Cabal Ritual works as a much more efficient black ritual once you hit threshold, which you should hit fairly quickly if you're cantripping and looting often. Entomb is just as good as tutoring to hand with Kess because if you're looking for a spell, just pitch it and cast it without conditions.
Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected. For some final additions, I'd recommend Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast , Narset's Reversal , Arcane Denial , and Fire Covenant . REB/Pyro works as a good defender on storm turn and can remove a pesky blue permanent that's complicating your life. Narset's Reversal is excellent at protecting your own spells from counters, providing you extra iterations of those spells if you have excess mana, and copying particularly useful spells from other players if you don't want to be effected by them. Arcane Denial is an excellent cheap counter that, though it draws you and an opponent cards, works as a decent political tool and can buy you an extra turn when you're storming off. Lastly, Fire Covenant is a great targeted wipe spell. If you put enough life in it, you can take out just about any number of creatures that are giving you headaches without losing your own in the process.
Overall, I see a lot of potential in the deck and think it could be super smooth with a few changes. The biggest enemy in EDH is inconsistency, so you have to fight that harder than most of your opponents. Also, life is a resource too. Starting at 40 makes it really easy to pay life into spells. I hope this almost dictionary of changes helps, and I look forward to seeing it progress!
1 day ago
more mana artifacts
also you should run atleast 9 counterspells
Should try to get tutors
more draw spells
1 day ago
Notes: This deck has an absurdly low curve, and wants it's ramp in it's 1 slot, if it has much at all. Most good options are going to be a bit expensive if they're any good. Card draw shouldn't be a problem...pay attention to what problems you run into while playing. Are you stalling for a way to push through? Do you need creature removal that isn't board clear? ETC.
3 days ago
I would get rid of some of the enchantments that have you sacrifice creatures to draw a card, destroy something, or what have you and replace it with cards like Greed , Mentor of the Meek , and Kindred Discovery , if it is in your budget, to increase card draw without losing creatures. I also think Anointed Procession . I also feel like Banishing Light and Oblivion Ring could be replaced with Grasp of Fate and Detention Sphere .
Maybe Generous Gift , Arcane Denial , and Negate could be used to help increase interaction with the opponent. Other removal options that trigger your commander is Imprisoned in the Moon Some ramp options could be Burnished Hart , Starfield Mystic , the Talisman's in your Esper, and recursion could be a Sun Titan package. Also perhaps some enchantments that protect your commander with indestructible or something to help her stick around a little longer. Just some suggestions. Great Deck! Looks like a lot of fun to pilot
1 week ago
Mana Leak is also a weaker counterspell in EDH (it's pretty decent in 60-card formats). I would only recommend it in very counterspell-heavy decks. If the goal is protecting against removal/boardwipes use Swan Song or Negate . Otherwise, use Counterspell , Arcane Denial , or any of the other good cards that counter anything.
As for Rift Bolt and Lightning Bolt , if they're for removal I would highly recommend something more reliable like Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Reality Shift , Aftershock , or Fissure . Comet Storm or Rolling Thunder work well with Saheeli too. If they're for going upstairs I'd again recommend things like Comet Storm to have a bigger impact and even end the game outright.
Without counterspelling them, the only way in to handle enchantments is Chaos Warp . I insist you run it. There are a few colorless ways to deal, like Scour from Existence , Unstable Obelisk , and Spine of Ish Sah . The latter two are great with recursion.
Personally, I always run two boardwipes minimum and I try to squeeze more in when possible. You already have the best in Cyclonic Rift, but another could save your bacon (you don't have tutors to find it, nor would I necessarily recommend running any). Even decks that go wide, like ours, need reset buttons in emergencies. Blasphemous Act is the gold standard, but Ixidron , Earthquake , Wash Out , and Coastal Breach are good too.
2 weeks ago
My first suggestion is you include the big three xerox spells: Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . They may not look like much, but superior card-selection for one blue is hard to argue with. I run them in every blue deck, though I think you'll need more shuffle effects to make Brainstorm good. Though I don't recommend them, you can also consider second-class cantrips like Serum Visions , Sleight of Hand and Opt .
My second suggestion is that you include the one-mana mana-dorks. I see you have Elvish Mystic , but running Birds of Paradise and Arbor Elf can be very helpful too. Utopia Sprawl works really well with Arbor Elf .
I think some of the two-mana ramp spells could be improved; I've never been a fan of Rampant Growth . Consider Nature's Lore (or its $100 cousin, Three Visits ) and/or Farseek . These can get non-basics, like your Breeding Pool , and Nature's Lore etbs untapped.
Evolution Sage is a card that MAY be good, but I'm not sure. Not having an immediate board-impact is a major downer, but its ability may be good enough to make it worth including. Playtesting can help.
Windfall is an excellent card-draw spell if you're down on cards. I suggest running Narset, Parter of Veils to act as a stax piece that is particularly abusive with Windfall . (Note that if you do end up with proliferate effects, you can proliferate her and get extra activations.) Other good card-draw spells include Fact or Fiction , Concentrate , Tezzeret's Gambit , Harmonize ...
Mystic Remora is a GREAT card. I personally think it's better than Rhystic Study , but I'm sure that'll raise a lot of hell (I also think Griselbrand should be unbanned, so I'm used to getting yelled at).
Wirewood Symbiote is a card you may want to consider. It words well with cards like your Reclamation Sage and can protect your guys from getting Toxic Deluge -d, and can buy you more triggers with your mana elf etbs for your general.
Depending on how many creatures you tend to have out, Slate of Ancestry could be a powerhouse. If you don't want to use that, running something like Collector Ouphe to fetch off Green Sun's Zenith can raise your decks chances against storm and the like significantly.
Opposition is a card I've been seeing more and more in powerful EDH decks these days. If you pair it with tokens and Seedborn Muse , Opposition can win the game on the spot. Adding something like Winter Orb to the mix can yield even more fun.
You can get more 'at the beginning of combat' triggers by having more combat steps. Consider extra-turn spells, like Temporal Trespass , Temporal Manipulation , Expropriate , Karn's Temporal Sundering , Nexus of Fate ...
Finally, counter magic is a good thing. Idk what the budget for the deck is, but the best counters are Force of Will and Mana Drain . More affordable cards that are still REALLY good are Spell Snare , Arcane Denial , Negate , Fuel for the Cause and the like. Counter-counters (I call them 'second-order counters,' since it makes me feel smart) are also good. Veil of Summer is the best right now, but Autumn's Veil and Dispel are also really good.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
Hey, nice budget Esper deck. Looks like you're not finished?
In Esper colors you can take more advantage of opponent disruption and you kind of need more of it if you want to consistently cast Chromium, who's seven mana. Control the game more by slowing down your opponents which can give you more time to prepare the game for when you drop Chromium. I think you should stick with Tocatli Honor Guard . In fact I'm suggesting to expand on it. Of course this means cutting most creatures who have an ETB ability.
Chromium doesn't have an ETB ability and there's not very many creatures here who do. In Commander many decks, much more than not, rely on ETB abilities from creatures to get value or even to win. Shutting this off can give you a big advantage. Creatures who exile other creatures or permanents when they ETB are risky because of board wipes. When these creatures die from a board wipe then the exiled card goes back to the opponent. Board wipes are more important for Control then these creatures.
In Commander 26 lands is very low for a Control deck. This is the amount of land you would play in a 60 card Control deck in Standard. In Commander there's a lot more than 60 cards therefore you need more lands because you want to make your land drops each turn. Mana rocks and other spells that can get you lands in your hand or on to the battlefield can help, but even with these cards you need more land. You really want both. There's only 91 cards here; my advice is start with adding 10 more lands and the three budget Signets: Azorius Signet , Dimir Signet , Orzhov Signet .
Budget lands to consider adding:
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Caves of Koilos
- Ash Barrens
- Esper Panorama
- Sunken Hollow
- Prairie Stream
- Irrigated Farmland
Cards to consider cutting to add lands/Signets:
- Fleet Swallower
- Drowned Secrets
- Psychic Spiral
- Psychic Corrosion
- Thought Collapse
Consider cutting the opponent mill theme? Opponent mill is not very good in multiplayer Commander unless your dedicated to it. Graveyards are a huge resource for so many types of decks in Commander; mill will most likely help your opponents rather than hurt them. I wouldn't play mill unless it's the main strategy of your deck. Playing many wheel effects and having infinite mill combos as win conditions.
Other budget cards to consider adding (some of these are in the maybeboard):
- Aven Mindcensor : disrupt opponents tutors including Fetch lands.
- Notion Thief : deny opponents from drawing a lot of cards.
- Blind Obedience : prevents haste and denies your opponents from using artifacts for mana when they first come onto the battlefield.
- Hushbringer : a supercharged Tocatli Honor Guard.
- Rule of Law : can prevent many combos in Commander and it slows the game down for you to better control.
- Narset, Parter of Veils : allows opponents to only draw one card during their turns.
- Day of Judgment
- Cleansing Nova
- Diabolic Tutor
- Fellwar Stone
- Arcane Denial
- Detention Sphere
- Generous Gift
Cards to consider cutting:
- Final Payment
- Drown in Sorrow
- Deputy of Detention
- Hostage Taker
- Conclave Tribunal
- Shell of the Last Kappa
- Tome of the Guildpact
- Dire Fleet Ravager
- Sphinx's Insight
- Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
- Nightveil Predators
- Basilica Bell-Haunt
- Dimir Guildmage
- The Haunt of Hightower
- Rise from the Tides
1 month ago
@bushido_man96: Yeah... It's Ironic I don't remember who suggested Guardian Project in the first place. Whoever did for this particular deck may as well be enshamed; either someone else here entirely, or EDHREC led me too far astray for unintentional logic that's all on me.
As for Delay : It was, strange. Every decklist I had that ran almost always had Mana Drain ; which is no bargain anymore AFAIK. Somebody noticed this (Dunno who in regards of either.), & commented as to whether or not I had THAT many Mana Drains. Now it's confirmed these are just lists for now, I think I have to do something about my Delayed Crisis . Basically, the rules in this case are as follows:
1: This is exclusively Mono-. Any Multicolor or anything Off Color is strictly forbidden.
3: OI! To respond is to do it INSTANTLY; Instants only.
5: NO! Counterspell DOESN'T COUNT!
6: Counterspells that also help your opponents are exempted as well... Arcane Denial …
7: If you want, I actually advise Counterspells that can also add some additional pain to the opponent in question.
OK, this is too much, but you want me to replace Delay . It's temporary, but, yeah... Now I feel it SUCKS. Do you have any ideas by any chance; granted these 7 Tables can be used as anything for help? I'll talk later...
Arcane Denial occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.14%
WU (Azorius): 1.44%
UB (Dimir): 1.08%
UR (Izzet): 0.99%
GU (Simic): 0.65%
WUB (Esper): 0.67%
UBR (Grixis): 0.79%
GWU (Bant): 0.58%