Eye of Vecna

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Pre-release Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Eye of Vecna

Legendary Artifact

When this enters the battlefield, you draw a card and you lose 2 life.

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay . If you do, you draw a card and you lose 2 life.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

1 week ago

Hi all! I'm getting back into the swing of things as I'm back from all of my intense AP Reading stuff and am playing again. I have another gameplay report, some updates, and some other thoughts related to the deck partly inspired by some player comments and questions here. Before I get to that however I want to respond to everyone I hadn't had a chance to yet!

am3ience

The must-play card from Baldur's gate is Battle Angels of Tyr, which has already replaced Emeria Angel in my deck. Beyond that it's creating a headache for me with my Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck since there are so many more dragons to consider, but I haven't seen a ton more for Giada.

sean360

Glad you're enjoying the deck! You can totally write it up and link it here if you'd like! The more resources, the better for us all! As far as protection goes, Commander's Plate is a good choice, as protection is so much better than we think it's going to be. Ephemerate not so much unless we have a blink theme because of the one-off, situational nature of the card. I'd also add that, in my experience, we don't need to worry too much if she dies a couple of times. At 2cmc we can recast her a few times no problem, and smart opponents will not feel it's not worth it when there will be more immediate threats on the board, or will not want to target her when she has already put some massive threats out. They killed her four times the other night, and when they ran out of removal I put out a massive flight of angels to kill them out in almost a single turn! I'd agree on Eye of Vecna being really good draw. Less so on Thorough Investigation; it's rather Dawn of Hope that always manages to be just not that great for me, though time will tell on this all. I'm trying to get Inspiring Overseer back in as it seems good. I have Angel of the Dire Hour in my binder too and just want to warn that it is a trap card. We'll almost never hold open seven mana to use it, so most of the time it will be an otherwise vanilla 5/4 flyer for 7 which is just terrible. If she were 4cmc, then she would definitely be played!

Sample88

Thanks for the compliment, comment, and upvote! I upvoted your deck too. Feel free to let us know how it goes and share any insights you have from play!

Vivipotence

Thanks for the compliment, comment, and upvotes! I am glad you are enjoying the deck, as I have been! As far as cards go, I can definitely see the case for Shadowspear. It does fit the curve and gives us life-link, and if there are Sigarda players or other annoying things like that in your meta it could me a good choice for dealing with that as well. Akroma's Will also probably belongs, for thematic reasons as much as anything. It would be a good replacement for Eerie Interlude, though I have another plan for replacing that card currently. Legion Loyalty does sound like fun and I'd recommend it for more Timmy-minded Giada players. At 8cmc I'm personally not willing to risk it, but that's just me! I can see some ridiculous "I win!" plays with a card like that from time to time! Blessed Sanctuary does sound like fun, and my unicorn/alicorn/pony loving daughters would probably appreciate it very much! That being said, it doesn't do much to help us with life loss combos or infinite attacker/attack step combos, which are pretty common out there, and as such is pretty narrow on those grounds. I play a lot of combo myself in other decks, and my top deck on tappedout is my Inalla, Archmage Ritualist deck which is about the most degenerate combo deck outside of cEDH imaginable. So, my tip from the dark lord about dealing with combos is that the best way to deal with them is to kill the combo player, destroy the combo pieces, or call out the combo pieces so someone else with removal can help us destroy them. That being said, unicorns are fun and flavorful, and if your meta has lots of ping-type infinite combos I could see it as a good meta choice in those circumstances!

sean360 on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

3 weeks ago

I have been playtesting the deck and making my own edits, it's a lot of fun! If you're interested I can write up my edited deck list. One thing I have noticed is that since there isn't an overabundance of reach or flying at my table, Giada is a beacon for removal, with me having to cast her upwards of 4 or 5 times. I am contemplating a few cards like Commander's Plate or maybe a few like Ephemerate but the decklist is so fine tuned it's hard to figure out what I would take out for these effects. I played a few games this weekend, the last one was against a nasty Kynaios and Tyro control deck, a Chatterfang aristocrats deck, and Tovolar Dire Overlord. I just barely managed to win in the end thanks to Together Forever letting me save the same few angels from back to back board wipes.

Unsurprisingly, Avacyn, Angel of Hope is a a slam dunk. Eye of Vecna has been excellent card draw, while Thorough Investigation has been lacking. Inspiring Overseer has been a great way to draw a card while developing the board. Might try adding Angel of the Dire Hour just because it's a fun card I've never had the right deck for. Interested to see your updates going forward!

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

1 month ago
I got in a couple of games last night, the first being 1v1 and the second a four player game. I won't go into tedious detail about all of them, but neither were wins, though in both the deck performed well, and I would have one the second if I hadn't made a mistake. Always, always kill the combo player first! I should know that better than anyone with all of the nasty combo decks I've built. I have some relevant observations on cards and mechanics that should help players of the deck.

The first is to not underrate vigilance, which a turn three Thraben Watcher gave to me for the whole of the second game. Some players have rated it as a junk ability, but it's strong when you give it to everyone, and we have several cards that do that. Even before Angelic Skirmisher got me to over 100 life in the second game I was pretty unattackable throughout because of my angelic attacker/defenders.

I also got to play Eye of Vecna for the first time and thought it was great. It immediately replaces itself, and you always have the option to pay the to draw the card since it comes right after untap. It sort of becomes like a Phyrexian Arena that we pay for with mana instead of life loss, which we'll take because we are in white. In the first game I had the mother of all draw cards in Well of Lost Dreams in my hand, but I could never find the free mana to cast it because I was under a clock to put my opponent away. I still think Well is incredibly good, but it makes me nervous about Vanquisher's Banner and reminds me of the importance of low cmc draw pieces.

I also did not like Secret Rendezvous, and will probably replace it with Rogue's Gloves before I play this again. This isn't because I am a detractor from Rendezvous generally, it a less aggressive deck it would be a good political card and welcome white draw piece. It is pretty hard to give cards to anyone in this deck where you will definitely be viewed as a threat. I'm surprised I haven't played Rogue's Gloves earlier. Once equipped it just gets us a free card every turn, and that's what we need. As good equipment becomes more and more relevant here, it makes me wonder if it might not be worth adding Steelshaper's Gift to the deck. At some point I am going to do a tutoring pass on the deck, and that card will be high on the list.

I've also pretty much planned for awhile to replace Eerie Interlude with Guardian of Faith. Interlude doesn't bring your counters back when you use it to save yourself from a boardwipe, whereas Guadian does, making it a superior card in that instance. Nonetheless, in this game I used Interlude to save my Angelic Skirmisher from targeted removal, which felt really good. As I continue to ponder this change it is helpful to remember that while interlude is worse in terms of board wipe protection it is better in terms of having utility to re-order counters if Giada is out, replay ETB creatures, or just protect from targeted removal.

In both games the engine set up well, I was a constant threat, and in the first game he only barely overcame me in the end with some lucky draws and really strong play sequencing. I was excited to play the deck against that friend, who is definitely the strongest player in my play group. As I plan further refining and revisions, I will definitely be prioritizing lowering the cmc of support pieces to two or three cmc as much as possible as I think that is key to success.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

1 month ago

Hi decidingtoast! Thanks for the comments and suggestions! Idol of Oblivion is a great card in a token deck. Nonetheless, while we make angel tokens as much as is reasonable, we only do so in the most efficient ways, and I think tying draw to token generation will result in inconsistent draw. This ties into a misconception about the deck. I think some builds online that I've seen really try to go out on tokens. While free tokens are indeed great with Giada since she pumps them, she doesn't really incentivize them over cast angels. Since angel tokens are big and fly, game design makes them more difficult to generate, and if we leaned more into this theme we'd be committing a lot of mana to it and would be slowing down the deck quite a bit. Instead we really only play Angelic Accord effects where we get free angel tokens from our life gain, which synergizes with both the angel piece of our theme and the life-gain aspects of the deck. I've only recently added Eye of Vecna so the jury is still out, but its not even close to painful due to our life gain, and is unconditional and consistent, even if we do have to pay each time, which is the downside of the card. Nonetheless paying for our cards is a thing in white, and at least with Eye since its an upkeep trigger we'll always have the mana to pay if we want to (whereas if we gain life with Dawn of Hope out after tapping out it won't do us much good, since we won't be able to pay the ). Tome of Legends, on the other hand, is a card I have a lot of experience of and is nothing short of amazing. Since Giada flys and has vigilance we can usually attack with her every turn, and can then tap her to cast more angels during our second main phase, meaning we'll always have the counters to power it and will basically get one card for every turn, which is a great rate.

As for Faceless Haven, the reason this card is a consideration for the deck is because of a wacky combo with Snow-Covered Plains and The Book of Exalted Deeds. Basically if we make a haven a creature, we can then sac the book to put a divinity counter on it. At the end of turn it will revert to being a land but will keep the counter, basically meaning we have a land version of Platinum Angel. Since land destruction is less common this will be a major barrier to our opponents winning the game by any means, which gives us time to destroy them. Committing to Snow-Covered Plains is also seen as beneficial because for decks running Extraplanar Lens Snow Plains are seen as beneficial since they don't help your opponents. Both the book and Faceless Haven are tutorable with Search for Glory, which can help with putting this together.

There really isn't much of an argument against running this combo, and Mutavault would make it more consistent, so that's a good call! So far I haven't quite felt committed enough to pick up the set of snow plains and these cards, but having two ways to do it could push me over the edge. I'll definitely put Mutavault on the maybe board.

decidingtoast on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

1 month ago

If your deck is puking out tokens on the regular, might I recommend Idol of Oblivion? It's more efficient and less painful than Eye of Vecna, and it's probably more consistent than Tome of Legends. Also, I noticed that your maybe section has Faceless Haven. If you're considering that, Mutavault is probably also worth consideration I think.

Guerric on Angels Forever

1 month ago

Hi toolmakesmedrool! Have you thought about switching to Giada, Font of Hope? I can testify that she is super strong, and the deck has been amazing for me so far. You'll want to lower your curve a bit with some weenie angels, but she can goldfish and win quickly, and Lyra is still a key support piece. I'd definitely recommend it along with some great new draw engines like Sigarda's Splendor, Eye of Vecna, and Tome of Legends.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

1 month ago
The first major update to the deck has been completed, the major theme being more draw. All of my initial testing showed that this deck goldfishes very quickly, but is hungry for resources, and that just drawing one extra card per turn, which it was consistently able to do, wasn't enough to feel like we had options and could easily rebuild after a blow out. Burst card draw pieces like Well of Lost Dreams and Thorough Investigation (which builds up tokens to be used as burst draw later) have been the powerhouse pieces. As such, the idea with this update is to add either more of those, or more one card per turn pieces so that it is likely we can have two of them out most games. Below are the lists of cuts and adds with justification.

1) Burnished Hart OUT Pearl Medallion IN

Hart is a great card, and research suggests it's one of the winningest cards in EDH, so naturally in a monowhite deck that a land ramp piece like this would seem to be great. I think the issue for it here is it just isn't fast enough for the deck. Giada doesn't need to ramp a lot to be relevant, and in testing I've found that we often have something more urgent to do cast it initially or sac it to get the lands. It's still a great card, but likely better suited to more controlling decks. What is amazing in this deck, however, are cards that discount creature spells like Herald's Horn, as we can use them to more easily put out multiple pieces in a turn at discount. Making your four drops three drops is incredible acceleration that suits our gameplan just fine. And Medallion does this not just for our creature spells, but any spell in white. It's fabulous!

2) Cosmos Elixir OUT Vanquisher's Banner IN

Elixir is theoretically a good card in this deck as it can draw cards off life-gain or gain life. The problem is it never does both, it draws one extra card per turn at most, and costs 4 mana for the privilege. It's equivalent card would be Sigarda's Splendor, but that always gains us life, and is simply based on not having lost life from the last noted turn, which is more reliable. Banner costs more, but its floor is replacing every angel we cast with a card, and its ceiling is drawing several cards in a turn, so it's better all around. The anthem is just gravy.

3) Welcoming Vampire OUT Mask of Memory IN

While a fabulous card, Giada's ability ensures that we won't draw cards with angels off of vampire. It will definitely find a home in a new deck. Mask of Memory, however, is great. It costs two and equips for one, meaning an easy early line of play would be to cast it turn three, attack it to Giada, and get an engine going. We get to draw two cards and then discard the one in our hand we need least, which allows us to be up a card while moving through the deck to what we need. Sometimes we might even discard a good card only to recur it with another later, so there are lots of nice little possibilities with this one.

4) Mirror Entity OUT Sanctuary Warden IN

So far we've replaced subpar draw with better draw, but no we are upping our count. I've never like entity, but I thought it might be better here since Giada gives it counters that make it more resilient when not being pumped. Still though, like all changelings, its an angel that doesn't fly, which is wicked annoying. Moreover, while its ability is a powerhouse with 1/1 tokens which can be turned to 4 power with 4 mana, it's not so great when the average power of an angel is already 3/3 or 4/4. It will weaken some of your angels, and where it improve them it takes a monstrous amount of mana to do so. Finally, while one might be tempted to add Reveillark to complete the combo with entity and Karmic Guide, we have to remember that Giada shuts entity off from killing the board, effectively shutting down the combo. It's just bad, trust me. This is where a lot of online deck tech's fail. They just throw it in because its an "angel" and a generically good card without thinking through the consequences! Meanwhile, while costly Sanctuary Warden is an absolute powerhouse. It immediately replaces itself, and can draw cards more cards this way for free by being blinked with Sword of Hearth and Home. It's an engine that draws us cards every turn, and we can use our plentiful supply of +1/+1 counters to power it, leaving the shield counters to protect it from most removal and board wipes. It's an all-star card.

5) Plains OUT Tome of Legends IN

I'm hoping I don't regret going down to 35 lands, but I think the deck can sustain it, especially when we are upping the draw. Tome is an amazingly good and underrated card. It can net us an extra card the turn we cast it, and can draw one every turn as long as we attack with out commmander, something that isn't too hard to do here. Keep in mind, Giada has vigilance, so even if we want to tap her to cast an angel we can always do so on our second main phase! The best part of this card is that it costs only two mana, allowing us often to ramp it out turn three with another angel or put it out early with another two drop. It's been great in other decks and I expect no less here!

6) Archaeomancer's Map OUT Eye of Vecna IN

This might be a more controversial cut, but I don't think I need the ramp map theoretically provides, and it can be a tricky card to play here. Ideally you'd want to get this down turn three, in order to ramp lands based upon your opponent's turns, but you'll have to discard if you do unless you played a one drop turn one. It's not as great late game, and the ramp is conditional based on having the extra land in hand and not missing a land drop, which can happen without enough draw. Eye immediately replaces itself and draws one card every turn for the low cost of 2 life, which we aren't worried about at all here. The only downside is that Angel of Jubilation shuts it down, but that is a narrow enough case that it isn't worth not playing a 2cmc draw spell over.

7) Disenchant OUT Together Forever IN

We have plenty of removal and I think we can afford to cut our least relevant piece. Together Forever is amazing, cheap, efficient protection for our entire board, including Giada. It can save our stuff from being destroyed by removal or damage, and has value as repeatable single-target protection and board wipe protection. I expect this to be an all-star piece.

8) Desert of the True and Drifting Meadow OUT War Room and Bonders' Enclave IN

I hated these cycling lands in early testing because they are just not worth having the lands come into play tapped. War Room and Enclave actually draw us cards, and come into play untapped. Sure, 4 mana is a lot for a single card, but there are times we will be happy for it, and in a monocolored deck the colorless nature isn't too much of a drawback.

9) 2x Plains OUT Emergence Zone and Seraph Sanctuary IN

Why not attack lifegain to a land? Sanctuary is just an obvious card for this build that I somehow missed the first time around. Zone is a deeply underrated card that allows you once in a game to get the jump on your opponents by becoming a one turn Vedalken Orrery. The element of surprise is what often wins you games in aggressive decks, and this card allows for that!

So that's the first update! I'll have updates to the primer coming later today or tomorrow. Hope this helps all of you as you build and play the deck!

Guerric on Oloro's Gambit

1 month ago

I think the key thing with Oloro is figuring out the direction you want to take him, as he can be played many ways. In any deck, you want to gain life and use life as a resource to do what your deck already wants to do. So, in addition to some of the cards you have here, people tend to play things like Phyrexian Arena, Necropotence, Dawn of Hope, Eye of Vecna, and Cosmos Elixir that draw cards off of lifegain or pay life to get cards. They then try to multiply these effects with cards like Teferi's Ageless Insight and Alhammarret's Archive. The Soul Sisters (Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant do a lot of work towards gaining this life as well.

Beyond that, there are several approaches towards winning. One is the pillowfort control/disruptive aggro approach. This type of deck uses pillowfort cards like Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, Norn's Annex, and Crawlspace or Sphere of Safety (if you have a lot of enchantments) in order to keep attackers from messing with you. They then use counter-spells and removal to keep other players from winning, and win by attacking in the air with large creatures who often have lifelink, with cards like Dream Trawler, Serra Ascendant, Archangel of Thune, and Drogskol Reaver being optimal choices.

I'll post the other option in a second.

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