Devastation Tide

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Devastation Tide

Sorcery

Return all nonland permanents to their owners' hands.

Miracle (You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)

capwner on Timebelcher

1 month ago

wheels47 Heyo! I did actually see one of those lists already, the mono W one, when I realized that the "Timebelcher" name had been used previously I went and checked it out. I actually really like the idea of running the miracle cards, I may have to consider Temporal Mastery, Terminus, and Devastation Tide for this list, also using cheap cyclers to draw into those on your opponent's turn is very clever. As for cutting the cheaper cards from this list, I'm not sure if it would be worth switching to a tap-MDFC (it would probably be Umara Wizard  Flip) over the Sinks and Hydroelectric. The interaction from Sink and ability to play them untapped feels pretty important to me. Same with the Pentad Prism as this is our primary option for ramp (vs Lotus Bloom which is even lower cmc), this enables turn 3 Sifter/Belcher which feels awesome. The other alternative would be the adventure land-drop cards I have in the maybeboard, but this only ramps us by 1 not 2 and it consumes a land drop. The average CMC is still super high because we run all the most expensive MDFCs, and in my playtesting a resolved Timesifter almost always results in a win. Even if we lose 1 turn somewhere in there, the odds of our opponents being in a position to win on that single turn seem to be pretty low, generally. And some cards like Ulamog will always beat us no matter what we flip. Thanks for checking out the list, it's very nice to see a fellow Timesifter appreciator :)

zemen on That Fishy Flashy Situation

2 months ago

Some card suggestions in case you don't have any of the put creature into play cheat cards, you could use cards that put cards from your hand onto the top of your library and use your commander's ability:

You could also maybe slip some miracle cards in there too since you are constantly manipulating the top of the library:

plakjekaas on Is Staff of Completion a …

3 months ago

The only reason I remember Temple Bell as a card is because I saw a Zurzoth, Chaos Rider player activate it trying to sneak in some extra devil tokens precombat (Anger in the graveyard, it made sense to try) while saying "What's the worst that could happen?" hinting at the disadvantage of giving your opponents extra cards. But by doing so, miracled an opponent into Devastation Tide, answering their own question while they took at least 20 devil tokens back to hand without the death trigger.

Very memorable game, horrible advertisement for the use of Temple Bell.

legendofa on Card creation challenge

3 months ago

Through the power of random card selection, I'm working with Animist's Awakening, Cruel Edict, and Devastation Tide.

Saderna, Relentless Tutor

Legendary Creature - Elf Wizard

Whenever you target an opponent with a spell or ability, Saderna, Relentless Tutor gains ward until end of turn.

Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, target opponent puts two -1/-1 counters on a creature they control.

Magecraft - Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.

3/4

"I don't care how good or bad your test scores are. I'm going to make sure you learn."


Same challenge. Random card selection not required.

plakjekaas on How Good is Temple Bell?

7 months ago

The Zurzoth, Chaos Rider-player activated Temple Bell pre-combat for some extra devils while saying "What's the worst that could happen?", and the opponent miracled out Devastation Tide to answer the question xD

zapyourtumor on Murky Waters

1 year ago

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I think the main decision you have to make with this deck is whether you want it to be a true control deck or a tempo deck. A true control deck would try to trade one for one and build card advantage before dropping a threat like Murktide or Jace or simply winning with Snappy beatdown. A tempo deck on the other hand would try to turbo out a quick Murktide and then protect that threat.

Mixing control and tempo is nothing new, and it sometimes works quite well. But because a lot of the cards from each type of deck don't necessarily go well together, you can sometimes end up in an awkward situation.

Here, you definitely have a mix of both types (which, I'd like to emphasize, is not necessarily bad). Archmage's Charm, Counterspell, Cryptic Command, Snapcaster Mage, Devastation Tide and Jace, the Mind Sculptor are all heavily control-flavored cards in your deck. They all either break even or generate card advantage, or massively stall out the game.

On the other hand, Force of Negation, Otherworldly Gaze, Thought Scour, Spell Pierce, and Subtlety are all tempo-flavored cards.

The problem with this combination in this deck is that half of your cards aim to turbo out a Murktide Regent as fast as possible with Otherworldly Gaze and Thought Scour and then protect it in the short term with cheap spells like Dismember, Force of Negation, Subtlety, and Spell Pierce. The main problems with these cards is that they are pretty terrible topdecks late game. Scour isn't too bad because it cantrips, but topdecking a Gaze when you really needed a counterspell or card advantage engine or a Murktide would probably feel terrible. And all the control-type cards aim to reach that stage of the game.

One example of a problem that arises when you try and combine these two archetypes is in the manabase. Tempo decks typically don't need many lands; depending on the deck's mana curve, we are generally looking at 19-20 lands, and occasionally even 18 or less. On the other hand, control decks almost always want at least 22-23 lands, sometimes up to 24-26 lands in order to reliably play their more expensive spells on curve like Archmage's Charm, Cryptic Command and Snapcaster Mage, and to also always have mana held up during their opponents turn for a reactive spell.

Of course, many cards fit very flexibly into both tempo and control decks, for example Counterspell is just so strong it works in both, while Consider being a cheap cantrip also fits into both types. So in my opinion one of the most important decisions you should make, if you want to make the deck more cohesive and just function smoother as a whole, is whether you want to lean more towards tempo or control.

Quick disclaimer: I think it is definitely possible to make the deck more competitive while keeping both tempo and control aspects; however you should probably then trim both the very slow control-leaning cards (Cryptic Command, Devastation Tide, Jace, the Mind Sculptor), and the cheap tempo-leaning cards (Otherworldly Gaze, Thought Scour, Force of Negation) and replace them with cards more towards the middle ground. The rest of the cards, like Archmage's Charm, Subtlety, Force of Negation, Spell Pierce, Dismember, and of course Murktide Regent are all flexible enough that they can slot into both types of decks.


The second important decision to make is what secondary color, if any, you want for your deck in order to complement the primary color (blue). The main issue with mono blue control is that you have very few ways to deal with resolved permanents, which is why most players typically splash white or black (or occasionally red). Blue only has access to bounce spells, which are decent in tempo decks but generally bad in control decks because they are card disadvantage (and also terrible late).

Here, I see you kind of "splashed" black, but your only maindeck spell with black pips uses phyrexian mana anyways, while the only black spell in your sideboard can be casted with only blue mana. In my opinion, since you already have black lands, I would commit fully to a UB manabase by including a few more fetches (U fetches since that's your main color) because it gives you access to a lot of strong options:

Drown in the Loch is a really good spell doubling as both removal and countermagic at only 2 cmc, and only gets stronger as the game goes on. Fatal Push is another great removal spell which is generally stronger than Dismember, although it needs at least around 7 fetches to show its full potential. You can also run discard like Inquisition of Kozilek, although that is more tempo/midrange-esque so it may not be a great fit for this deck. Black also gives you an actual boardwipe in the form of Damnation, which is definitely a lot stronger than something like Devastation Tide since it gets rid of the creatures permanently and indirectly generates CA by trading with multiple enemy creature cards. It also doesn't hit Jace. If you don't think you need it in the mainboard, it can be a great sideboard inclusion. Lastly you have access to some sideboard options like Unmoored Ego.

If all of the blue pip spells like Counterspell and Archmage's Charm have you worried about mana fixing issues, you can run the filter land Sunken Ruins which is great in these types of decks to ensure you can cast both BB and UUU spells.


Those two main points aside, I have a few other card suggestions I think could work well here, some of which lean more control and some which lean more tempo.

Ledger Shredder is a great card which leans a bit more towards tempo but unlike Gaze/Thought Scour it helps turbo out a Murktide while also growing into a significant threat itself.

Aether Gust and Mystical Dispute are decent color-specific sideboard cards.

Remand is a tempo-leaning card that is generally not great in pure control lists, but could be good here if you decide to stick to the turbo murktide strategy.

Spreading Seas is probably the best sideboard option mono-blue has against Urza's Saga.

Memory Deluge has a bit of antisynergy with Murktide, but a very good digging spell if you decide to go towards control.

Orvar, the All-Form is another great sideboard card which instantly turns the tables on any Creativity player thinking they auto won the game after cheating out an early Archon of Cruelty.


If you made it this far, thanks for reading all of my comments. I like the deck and I'm excited to see where you can take it in the future. Happy brewing!

Dead_Blue_ on Murky Waters

1 year ago

Thanks for the upvote! I appreciate it a lot. There’s quite a few people that look at this deck and it doesn’t click for them since it’s not a meta deck and doesn’t use conventional wisdom.

Devastation Tide is certainly a mixed bag. At it’s worst it’s pitched to Force of Negation at it’s best it wins the game

Vapor Snag is good especially since it doesn’t require setup like Tide does …but I’d feel obligated to run a full playset and I don’t think there is enough space.

Cyclonic Rift can also be good but this deck runs 19 lands so expecting to hit 7 is unrealistic

I’ve never tested God-Eternal Kefnet so maybe I could throw one in the 75 to see how it goes. I used to run Kefnet the Mindful in another deck and loved that card

Necrosis24 on Hidden Power - Mono-Color - …

1 year ago

I had not thought about the interaction between Cyclonic Rift and land creatures before that is rather neat and would also work with similar cards like Devastation Tide. This also made me realize land creatures and Intruder Alarm would be a great combo.

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