Creature — Spirit
Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
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Seedborn Muse occurrence in decks from the last year
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Seedborn Muse Discussion
2 days ago
There’s nothing banned here?? Seedborn Muse for Prophet of Kruphix , Trade Secrets , Flash , Gifts Ungiven , Leovold, Emissary of Trest . Why not run Flash Hulk? Necropotence for Leyline of Anticipation .
1 week ago
I would add Expedition Map for the usual land tutor of Urborg+Cabal and maybe one or two cards that allow you to play extra-lands like Oracle of Mul Daya , Burgeoning or Exploration . To add redundancy I'd suggest also Seedborn Muse and maybe, depending on the direction that you want to take your deck also Vedalken Orrery . For the removal slot I'd add Toxic Deluge , Abrupt Decay and Assassin's Trophy . Anyway, this are just some quick ideas, it really depends on the direction that you want to take with this commander: landmatter, big-mana, life-gain, aristocrats, ecc... The most important thing though? Have fun!
2 weeks ago
Hi Mortiganil, nice decklist!
I'm also in process of designing a possible future Beledros EDH, so watching other people ideas like yours is always helpful.
I had some ideas you naybe find interwsting: Eternity Vessel to abuse of Beledros land untap, Wilderness Reclamation and Seedborn Muse just to gain that effect if Beledros isnt avaiable due to control, Vedalken Orrery to keep playing more cards in opponent turns or in response of things. Exsanguinate as both a way to recover life and as a bomb?
Hope you find some of those interesting, greetings!
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
wallisface It's a restriction in the 99 so he wont just be in every deck for being a colorless exile-machine that also has a hindrance toward enemy mana rocks.
It's true you can still run him as your Commander and have your 99 be almost exclusively mono green ramp, just to get him out on the field. However in his current iteration he would slow down colored mana rocks and start blasting a singular permanent/spell every round. That's not in itself a very game winning strategy, so it falls flat if that's all you do. The effects are still very powerful, but not by itself a win condition.
If you remove the tap requirement from the active ability, your mana count is the restriction on how many permanents/spells you can exile per round. Throw in a Seedborn Muse and no one likes you anymore. It's not a very fun experience when he can sit in the Command zone.
I see that you rectified in your later comments to show that there needs to be a limit on the exile ability. The simplest solution to allow him both be in combat and use his ability could be to grant Ugin Vigilance, so he can attack freely and be ready to blast something - while also having the option of just staying back to blast something. I think it would be a mistake (or rather a nerf) to tie it with an attack condition. That would remove the ability to reactively exile a spell on the stack or a nonland permanent on the board - especially on an opponent's turn.
As for how people deal with Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger : it takes two permanents out when cast and that's pretty much the end of it, until something makes it possible for the owner to cast it again - which generally only happens when it is exiled itself while being a Commander or if it is played in the 99 of a self-bouncing deckshell. Ugin's exile as an active ability has a much higher ceiling and it can hit spells. So if not kept in check Ugin could just dominate the board singlehandedly. Also there's still a significant difference between 8 and 10 mana in a single burst.
I think I read MagicMarc's comment on turning any land into Wastes and didn't see that you only had it hit nonbasic lands. Anyhow a Blood Moon effect would be more manageable, but I honestly don't know if Ugin needs the boost. Also Blood Moon is symmetrical - whereas Ugin doesn't even hit your lands, and wouldn't much care either way with his chromatic mana ability anyhow.
And like plakjekaas mentions, colorless can acquire similar ramp potential as green, but in magical Christmas land, they can acquire it MUCH faster.
Turn 1: Ancient Tomb into Mana Vault into Mana Crypt into Sol Ring into Grim Monolith into Ugin. All on turn 1. Turn 2 you can cast Unwinding Clock to just make your opponents scoop even faster. Granted, wallisface's version that can gatling gun exile nonland permanents does not exile spells, so there is a chance to deal with Ugin if you somehow get the appropriate mana in basic lands to cast a board wipe or Diabolic Edict - as colored mana rocks will just be wiped with Ugin before you get to untap. The Ugin player does kinda need a way to increase Ugin's power to hit 21 Commander damage faster, but from there it's just a grinding battle. If the opponents manage to deal with Ugin, he'll likely just come right back the following turn.
I don't think this is a good goal for creating new cards. Not everything has to be cEDH worthy. The card as it is in the OP is strong but not dominating, and I think that's fair. Switching the nonland permanents opponents controls tap for colorless to a one-sided, colorless Blood Moon is probably acceptable. Making Ugin fully colorless will only make the card more problematic for Commander as everyone can suddenly include a Legacy Weapon + Ertai, Wizard Adept on a protected body.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Ok so the changes i made are-
Out- Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler , Yavimaya Elder , Capricopian , Seedborn Muse , Chromatic Lantern , Darksteel Ingot , Replicating Ring , Gilded Lotus , Opulent Palace , Winged Temple of Orazca
I forgot i wanted Worldly tutor and Parallel Lives in the deck.
Check the new build/stats and gimme yer thoughts.
3 weeks ago
Seriously though, this looks sweet as hell. The infinite mana angle seems nasty, but not overly pushed, which should lead to good gameplay. Freed from the Real tends to be a surprisingly loud threat and my guess is that it's likely going to be a bit too greedy, especially considering you have fairly limited protection. Pemmin's Aura is good enough because the protection is built-in, and the added evasion will help you close some games. I've also found that cards like this tend to suffer quite a bit to the Chaos Orb s in our meta but YMMV.
The first thing that stood out to me was that you have significantly less interaction than you typically play, and I'd bet that it'll feel a bit uncomfortable having to be so selective with your answers. I'd recommend adding Windgrace's Judgment and Assassin's Trophy to improve your flexible removal, and some number of Erebos's Intervention , Battle at the Bridge , Profane Command , and Black Sun's Zenith to up your creature removal and creature count (Hydra tokens) at the same time. Also, these do really well against indestructible threats (cough Blightsteel Colossus + Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger cough) like gods and such.
You could probably also use another counterspell or two, but if you don't want to lean too hard that direction, that's understandable.
The second main thing I noticed is your mana ramp package—I'd look at it fairly critically and consider your goals. For example, I'd keep all creatures that tap for 2 or more mana ( Bloom Tender , Incubation Druid , Selvala, Heart of the Wilds ) as they give you more paths to going infinite. I'd cut the ones that only make 1 mana ( Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler ) as they tend to be a bit of a liability compared to land fetch spells and you aren't inherently taking advantage of the fact that they are creatures.
I'd also focus on the curve of your mana ramp. I think you should prioritize 2 cost spells like the three on-color signets, and the land fetch spells Nature's Lore , Farseek , Rampant Growth , and Sakura-Tribe Elder . Swapping these for your 3-5 cost mana ramp will give you more chances to cast Zaxara on turn 3 and get the ball rolling on both bigger mana and generating hydras. The way I see it, you could have a signet + Zaxara to use on turn 5 or spend that same turn casting a Gilded Lotus which is the same mana output but a turn slower. Basalt Monolith is the exception here as it goes infinite.
The final thing I'd encourage is to play more land. You really need to always hit Zaxara early for your deck to do it's thing, and maximizing your potential to consistently hit 4 mana on curve is going to pay dividends. At 34 I'd say you're 2-3 short of what I'd recommend for a mana-hungry deck like this, and you're actually at 33 right now because Winged Temple of Orazca starts as a Hadana's Climb Flip and likely shouldn't be counted as a land.
Here are the baseline swaps I'd recommend:
Out - Birds of Paradise - Manaweft Sliver - Leyline Prowler - Yavimaya Elder - Freed from the Real - Capricopian - Seedborn Muse - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Replicating Ring - Gilded Lotus - Opulent Palace
In + 2 Forest + 1 Island + 1 Swamp + Farseek + Nature's Lore + Sakura-Tribe Elder + Golgari Signet + Simic Signet + Dimir Signet + Profane Command / Erebos's Intervention + Windgrace's Judgment / Assassin's Trophy
These aren't super exciting changes but they'll massively help your initial consistency. I'd play the deck a buch before deciding what swaps would be best beyond this.
Stoked to see the deck in action!