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Muldrotha, the Gravetide
Legendary Creature — Elemental Avatar
During each of your turns, you may play up to one permanent card of each permanent type from your graveyard. (If a card has multiple permanent types, choose one as you play it.)
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Nicstu93 on
Enigmatic Toolbox
5 days ago
Yes, Agent of Erebos looks really nice as a step between that can lead to a 5 drop. Enchantment creatures were always an interesting part for me too, especially if they have etb effects like Spirited Companion, but in the end I found Moon-Blessed Cleric to be the best option for smoothing out searching, as that way I can go into any enchantment and creature just from a two drop (which are also the most common and expendable enchantments in the deck). However adding a 5 mana enchantment creature would open up the deck for 6 drops, which would completely change everything and allow for options like Muldrotha, the Gravetide, which would pretty much endlessly recycle stuff. Ultimately it could potentially end up streamlining the deck too much though and kinda take away the entire toolbox approach it is going for, where instead of using Enigmatic Incarnation to setup a wincon, the wincon is getting high value threats that work on their own well enough and just get silver bullets to every threat out. Agent of Erebos would be a great inclusion for that though.
What I'm currently thinking of is enchantment retrieval that isn't just one time only (like Cavalier or Renegade). Lurrus of the Dream-Den would be perfect to recast omens, but sadly it's banned, even though this deck wouldn't even use it as a companion. Serra Paragon is a strong option and not completely overboard, but rather expensive. Muldrotha needs 6 mana, so any other way to cast an enchantment from the gy repeatedly would be great, especially with fires of invention making the cast for free anyways. Getting that kind of recursion would be really great for the deck.
Another strong option I'm currently looking at is Shalai, Voice of Plenty. She pairs especially well with Kenrith, granting him Hexproof while Kenrith accumulates value and power with his abilities, and once Shalai has eaten a removal, Kenrith can use his 5 mana ability to reanimate her, creating an extremely durable base and a hard to break board state, as these two combined cover almost any option, with Shalai ruling out most removal and blocking fliers while Kenrith gathers life, power and cards while Enigmatic Incarnation keeps pumping out threats and removing threats.
Crow-Umbra on
Musashi's Mosh Pit [Primer]
1 month ago
Thank you Madchase, I appreciate it. I'd be happy to look at your list & offer some suggestions once you have it finalized.
Honestly, I've stopped trying to use the "1-10 power scale" because it's so variable & subjective. If I had to try, I'd say I was aiming for like a 7.5-8.5, something that is fast, low to the ground mana-wise, & can be explosive/dynamic.
In case you didn't see it, I did write a short section in the primer called "How do I play the deck?" Which gives an idea of what I try to look for in opening hands or around the table.
If anything, I'd say my deck has had some of its worst match-ups against Aristocrats decks that run a lot of sacrifice based removal. I think this gets diminished a bit once I have a decent number of tokens on the board. This deck has consistently had a rough time against a friend's Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck, because I only have so much graveyard removal/hate, and also why I emphasized more Exile based removal as possible.
Some of the older updates have quick game summaries if you want a slight idea of snapshots of past performances. Not complete pictures of course, but I try to capture what I could remember best.
The various group slug effects & token generation go hand in hand to either win via combat damage or through group slug/drain damage. One damage type can soften up opponents to make the other move viable.
I think Isshin decks benefit from as much board protection at instant speed preferably, with a mix of effects like Dolmen Gate and Reconnaissance. The more you can keep your board intact to maintain momentum, & reduce the need for rebuilds will help close games out.
I frequently become the arch-enemy with fast aggro starts, and honestly that is a lot of fun for me. I like to be a problem that everyone has to deal with, even if I don't ultimately win. It becomes a compliment to get dealt with first lol.
Gleeock on EDH - Kill 1 opponent …
1 month ago
When you do have a brief, logical, explanation that you wipe someone out because of strategic reasons; especially when you have demonstrated doing well by "sticking to your guns", usually it takes the salt right out of it. Though, sometimes this can be a familiarity thing too. So for me, consistency of my process & demonstrated wins make pretty difficult to argue with what I often do in my land of sluggy, goady, lifelossy, player-eliminating tactics.
It is all about setting expectations. Sometimes there is a little bit of pariah behavior toward me (in a new group) because I take every opportunity I can to sneak in free damage. The way I build several decks I have to alter player's decisions by dealing damage while I can & those decks go right down to the wire usually. The social construct of players in EDH should not be so geared towards letting someone durdle their way to a 2ndary wincon or a lockdown situation. For eg: getting upset at me for bringing a Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck down to a severe low life total early in game when there is an obvious repeat Pernicious Deed cycle setting up - that deck thrives at mid-late lockdown, it should be expected that without blockers I will go for player removal before that can happen. Again, usually the salt is lower though once I am identified as just being "that guy" that will try to deal with a perceived threat in that way... Just that 1st game can be a shock with new players that haven't seen the strategy much in recent years & they perceive it as bullying instead of a valid strategy.
Long rant, but really good topic.
K34 on
The Second Coming of the Spanker
2 months ago
Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, Basalt Monolith, Mesmeric Orb, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre is infinite self mill and tokens. drop the two creature to self mill for Laboratory Maniac
Amulet of Vigor, Mystic Sanctuary, Splendid Reclamation, Squandered Resources togehter create infinite landfall. Add in Tatyova, Benthic Druid for draw.
Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Second Chance for infinite turns with low life, or use Eternal Witness, Ashnod's Altar, and Time Warp
kirbysan on
[Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*
2 months ago
Last game of the year! Sorry I've taken over your comment board, hope all these gameplay interactions help!
Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher
Starting Hand: Marsh Flats, Plains, Sol Ring, Serra Ascendant, Serra Avenger, Court of Grace, Breathkeeper Seraph
T1 - Marsh Flats into Plains into Serra Ascendant
T2 - Plains into Sol Ring and Luminarch Ascension (drew into), swung in for 6 damage
T3 - Plains into Court of Grace, drew on endstep, swung in for another 6 damage
T4 - +1 Angel on upkeep, Plains into Giada, Font of Hope and held up mana to make 2 Angels, drew on endstep, swung in for another 6 damage
T5 - created 2 Angels (6 power & 7 power) on opponents end step, +1 Angel (8 power) on upkeep. Cast a Tome of Legends getting ready for the boardwipe. Swung in for 21 damage, drew on endstep.
T6 - nobody at the table had the boardwipe so I cleaned up next turn with Sigarda's Vanguard knocking out each other player simultaneously. I think this was the fastest this deck has ever performed in a 4-man pod and all the damage was dealt by me.
Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher, O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami
Starting Hand: Windswept Heath, Arid Mesa, Plains, Bonders' Enclave, Serra Paragon, Gisela, the Broken Blade Meld, Archangel of Thune
Thought about not including this one either as it was a slow hand and a fast game. Muldrotha comboed out turn 4 making 2 million squirrels and nobody had any interaction so we were dead on turn 5.
Opponents: Koma, Cosmos Serpent, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools / Armix, Filigree Thrasher, O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami
Starting Hand: Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Plains, Plains, Pyre of Heroes, Gisela, the Broken Blade Meld, Battle Angels of Tyr, Angelic Curator
I had played Battle Angels of Tyr but it was quickly removed by Tevesh before I could swing with it, which is fair given a 5-man pod.
Instead I went for the slower play with Giada, Font of Hope, Angelic Curator and Angelic Sleuth on the field. I held Pyre of Heroes in hand thinking I would go for the Inspiring Overseer / Serra Paragon line to draw into some cards and get some clues.
However, Muldrotha again was a huge problem turn 5. They had Scute Swarm and cracked some fetches and played green ramp spells bringing up their total to the low 100s but they only had 32 they could attack with. They decided to swing all of them at me as I was the only one with any sort of board presence. O-Kagachi let the table know they had a fog effect but we elected to use it on the next turn.
At this point I had Giada, Font of Hope, Angelic Sleuth, Righteous Valkyrie and Pyre of Heroes on the battlefield. Once Muldrotha had started producing massive amounts of Scutes I knew they were coming at me. Also I had drawn into Archangel of Thune which I played and swung in bringing me back up to the low 20's.
On turn 6 O-Kagachi used the fog and Muldrotha just set themselves up better for the next round. They cast a Sandwurm Convergence to stop me from knocking them out.
Tevesh decided this was the best time to go off so they tapped out for a Peer into the Abyss. A lot of artifact shenanigans happened and they ended up at 4 life due to Bolas's Citadel, nearly wiped the board with Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and killed Muldrotha with an artifact creature with Cranial Plating and Lightning Greaves. Unfortunately they didn't see that O-Kagachi was out and only -5 for Ugin so they were dead to the dragon on their turn.
I was able to build back relatively quickly as I drew into a Thorough Investigation and cracked some clues. O-Kagachi became the new archenemy as they had their commander out and a Fist of Suns so they were casting high-costed cards with the limited mana they had. Koma used Kiora, the Crashing Wave to negate the damage of O-Kagachi's commander. They also countered a Conflux which could've ended the game.
I tried to swing in once but was stopped by a fog. I also made another misplay with Oblation targeting their Myojin of Seeing Winds as I misheard thinking it was a 10/10 flying indestructible when it was a 3/3 that didn't even fly. They removed the divinity counter drawing 12 and drew another 2 off Oblation. Next turn they cast a Morophon, the Boundless and dropped all the spirits they drew off those 14 cards. If I had held up my Oblation for their fist of the suns instead they would have had no mana for anything else and I could've swung in for the win.
Court of Grace was also amazing here. While 1 card a turn is not the best for 4 mana, 1 card and 1 angel for 4 is amazing. Obviously the Sol Ring did work in getting it out early but against slower decks they had no way to attack me regardless.
Pyre of Heroes was actually useful this time! Pitching the 2/2 body of Angelic Curator into a Righteous Valkyrie is a strong move. I was only able to use it once before the Ugin exile but it helped keep me in the game. Without it, I would've been dead right after Tevesh finished off Muldrotha, perhaps even in the same turn.
Sigarda's Vanguard was also great again. However if I'm not planning out dropping my angels out in the correct turn order then I'm not always getting the full benefit from her. Akroma's Will would save us the headache of counting and planning while also providing the evasion to get through flying creatures. I think I'll still stick the Vanguard as the light recursion package allows us to bring her back on another turn for additional value whereas Will would just languish in the graveyard.
We had a turn 0 discussion before games 2 and 3 and agreed on playing more mid-tier decks as I only brought Giada. The Muldrotha player typically durdles with nothing to do and decided to add in some spicy cards not knowing how they'd perform. Tevesh doesn't always go off like this but Peer into the Abyss is usually a card that gets countered. The table let it resolve due to needing to knock out Muldrotha first.
kirbysan on
[Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*
2 months ago
Got another couple games in today:
I made some swaps prior to today's match incluuding:
Crashing Drawbridge for Lightning Greaves
Smuggler's Share for Esper Sentinel
Search for Glory for Steelshaper's Gift
I think our decks are still functionally the same but I have a lot of the tech you were heavily considering already swapped in and will be focusing on their performance in multiplayer format.
Starting Hand?: Prismatic Vista, Windswept Heath, Myriad Landscape, Soul's Attendant, Generous Gift, Lightning Greaves, Folk Hero
Forgot to snap a picture of my starting hand but I think it was something like that. Important play of the game was Firkraag playing an early Agitator Ant. By turn 3 I had Giada equipped with a Lightning Greaves and slowly played out my hand, focusing on dropping lands and playing removal. I constantly dumped the +1/+1 counters onto Giada and since she had the greaves equipped she was basically untouchable.
After bringing Arvinox and Ryu down to the low 20's with just Giada I began dumping the counters onto a Bishop of Wings that I drew into so I could start swinging at Firkraag. Ryu also got in 2 Hadokens against Firkraag's board to draw cards. I only got 1 swing into Firkraag before they boardwiped.
I was able to recast Giada and cast an Angelic Page drawing me a card off Folk Hero. I also cast a Pyre of Heroes excited to chain it off for some spicy tech. Unfortunately Ryu was at low life and killed shortly after the boardwipe. As the other 2 players had no board they scooped to end the game so we could start the next, giving me the win.
Starting Hand: Plains, Mutavault, Pearl Medallion, Righteous Valkyrie, Sigarda's Vanguard, Well of Lost Dreams, Steelshaper's Gift
T1 - Plains into Steelshaper's Gift tutoring Lightning Greaves
T2 - Plains (drew) into Pearl Medallion
T3 - Mutavault into Lightning Greaves & Giada (Sworded by Isshin)
This game had some intense interactions. Isshin had a turn 1 Authority of the Consuls. Tevesh nearly played a turn 2 Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools with a Jeweled Lotus but was countered by Muldrotha. Firkraag played a Pursued Whale giving us all Pirate tokens and forcing us to attack. Isshin played into that with a Combat Calligrapher. The entire table started swinging into each other with increasingly multiplying Inkling tokens. After Isshin's Combat Calligrapher was blown up and they took a bunch of damage from their own Inklings they decided to super wipe the board with a Ruinous Ultimatum but luckily their board was pretty sparse.
I lost Pearl Medallion, Well of Lost Dreams, Sword of the Animist, Lightning Greaves and Righteous Valkyrie. This set me back really far but luckily I had been ramping every turn with Sword of the Animist and kept some strong angels in hand.
I recast Giada, and played Archangel of Tithes, Angelic Field Marshal and Lyra Dawnbringer with Mutavault giving me the extra +1/+1 counter. At this point Isshin started going off and nearly killed me with a combination of Tectonic Giant, Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin, Isshin, Two Heavens as One, Aurelia, the Warleader but they tapped out for Dihada, Binder of Wills to give Krenko vigilance, lifelink and indestructible. When they tried to swing at me, they forgot about the tax for Tithes and instead knocked out Tevesh and Muldrotha. Muldrotha took out Aurelia, the Warleader as retribution.
On the final turn I was left with only Oblation and Breathkeeper Seraph in hand. I had the choice to use it on one of Isshin's creatures but they were in such a dominating position that giving them 2 cards was probably a bad idea. Instead I used it on a tapped Emergence Zone and drew into Thraben Watcher and Sigarda's Vanguard. With the combination of all the angels I brought Isshin down to 3 and Firkraag cleaned up but had nothing against my board so scooped.
Starting Hand: Cavern of Souls, Flooded Strand, Windswept Heath, Esper Sentinel, Path to Exile, The Ozolith, Teferi's Protection
I debated even listing this game as it was over so fast. Alela burst out on turn 1 with an Island into Sol Ring into Arcane Signet. Turn 2 they played a Smothering Tithe. Turn 3 they played a Bolas's Citadel. In one of their turns they cast a Vendilion Clique bottoming my Teferi's Protection. Despite whiffing for 2 turns off the top of their library they were so ahead with ramp that they quickly overtook the game. I died by turn 5 to 35+ damage from a faerie army beefed up with Coat of Arms. The other 2 players scooped as they had no interaction with the Coat.
T1 Esper Sentinel did some amazing work here. I drew off every player at least 2-3 times so it netted me like 7-8 cards for just 1 mana.
I also attempted to attack with Battle Angels of Tyr but it was bounced to my hand by next turn.
The Ozolith ended up doing nothing this game but that's more due to having no boardstate. Together Forever wouldn't have done anything in this game either so its impact still hasn't been seen. Other players did comment that it could be a problem with a bigger board.
I did have a misplay here as I should have held up mana for removal spells which I had in my hand. My final hand was Vanquisher's Banner, Archangel of Thune, Angelic Accord, Serra Paragon, Valkyrie Harbinger, Path of Exile and Swords to Plowshares. I just didn't expect Alela to quintuple their damage in one turn.
Starting Hand: Secluded Steppe, Emergence Zone, Plains, Pearl Medallion, Thorough Investigation, Angelic Field Marshal, Angel of Vitality
T1 - Secluded Steppe tapped
T2 - Plains into Pearl Medallion
T3 - Emergence Zone into Thorough Investigation and Giada, Font of Hope
I had several misplays this game as it had been a long day. The first was using my Clues too early instead of playing out my hand and refilling it later with the Clues.
Phenax became a huge threat towards mid-game as they had a Haunt of high tower on board along with their commander Phenax, God of Deception. They forced Ghisath to mill 40+ cards with 4 creatures. I had Kabira Takedown Flip in hand but it wouldn't put a dent in the Haunt. Instead I opted for player removal and swung with everything knocking them out.
My second misplay here was not tapping Giada to cast Angelic Field Marshal which would've given all my creatures vigilance. I was so used to swinging with Giada first and then tapping her that I failed to see her as a mana dork. Since I had Archangel of Tithes out it would've prevented huge swings against me as well.
Since I was wide open Gishath took the advantage and swung at me dropping a good number of dinos on their board. However on their next turn when they tried to use Silverclad Ferocidons with Pyrohemia Jared saved the day by sacrificing Primeval Spawn into a Time Warp.
When I tried to rebuild I realized I had no clues left and no attackers to draw into answers. I also made my third misplay by wasting a Path to Exile on a random dinosaur thinking it would sacrifice Pyrohemia but then stupidly played Bishop of Wings so I could trigger my The Book of Exalted Deeds by replaying Giada.
I died on the next turn to due to lethal Gishath commander damage. If I had saved my Path I could've used it on Gishath and played out more angels for the lifegain.
Lightning Greaves was amazing in the 2 games it was played. It was so great that Isshin focused Giada when it came back out. In fact I like it so much that I'm going to try and find a spot for Swiftfoot Boots so I can keep equipping without removing the protection.
Esper Sentinel was also great the 1 game I got it out. Drawing that many cards for 1 mana is just too good to pass up. If you haven't purchased Smuggler's Share yet I'd say go for Esper first.
Archangel of Tithes was SO GOOD. It saved me from lethal once and would've again a second time if I didn't misplay again. With vigilance it does double duty.
Well of Lost Dreams felt a little clunky in game 2. I want to like it, it has a high ceiling but it needs some prep work to start drawing. Either I drop it instead of a threat or I play it much later. I also need lifegain and the mana to draw from it. With the amount of work that goes into it to activate it, a board wipe usually turns it off. We have no other lifegain outside of creature based lifegain. So we would only draw with an established board presence and we're using mana to draw into threats rather than play them. It feels either like a win-more card or a hail mary to get something good. I'm actually debating its place in this deck and what may be a better card draw. Court of Grace at least replaces itself on our end step and provides either an Angel or Spirit on our upkeep. It also requires no additional maintenance to get it going.
Others at the table commented that Authority of the Consuls is a better option to the soul sisters. While I do like the tap mechanic of Authority, it doesn't trigger off my creatures. Also having it be an enchantment means that most people won't bother with it all game. Soul sisters typically get wiped with the rest of the board whereas opponents have to target Authority. I find that I don't usually hit the payoffs on opponents turn but on my own turn. However, I only hit the magic 4/5 life when Bishop of Wings or Righteous Valkyrie is out, not off a soul sister. I know that you really like the soul sisters but practically every game I've had a board wipe and the payoffs haven't been worth it.
Kabira Takedown Flip has its uses but in terms of removal is pretty poor for the slot. After a boardwipe it's practically worthless.
Even though I STILL haven't pulled off Pyre of Heroes properly I'm once again debating Recruiter of the Guard and Weathered Wayfarer. Since they're both humans they can chain into our human sub-theme. Weathered Wayfarer can be sacrificed into Bishop of Wings to get our lifegain payoffs going. It also helps grab lands for Emeria Shepherd if we want to recur stuff from the graveyard. Recruiter of the Guard can tutor for Starnheim Aspirant, Esper Sentinel, Inspiring Overseer, Thraben Watcher and can be sacrificed into Mangara, the Diplomat.
K1ngMars on
"Library.exe has stopped working" | Phenax Primer
2 months ago
Hi Syndras, thanks for the comment and sorry for the (very late) reply.
Regarding Bloodchief Ascension, I agree with you with both observations: in fact, I tend to never play that card on turn one as all my opponents will just start attacking me. However it happens sometimes that I am able to get some form of large blocker early on against aggro decks, at which point they are forced to attack else where and "gift" me one or two counters. I can rarely get the enchantment to three counters, as that generally means I immediately win/kill someone, but that speaks to its undoubted power. Moreover, it is a good lightning rod for removal, for just one . Do not forget, that due to how life exchange works, Tree of Perdition's effect meets the condition of "life loss" required by Bloodchief Ascension, so long as the opponent we are targeting has at least 15 life.
As for Ruin Crab, albeit being powerful in 60 card formats, it is generally too little too late for commander, at least in my opinion, unless you start looping large amounts of lands, something probably more suited for a Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck.
Regarding Bitter Ordeal, actually the main issue is that Gravestorm counts each permanent put into a graveyard this turn, but milled cards, despite featuring permanent card types are not permanents since they do not go to the graveyard from the battlefield, and as such do not count towards Gravestorm. Moreover, as you already said, due to my playgroup's additional rules, this card is not playable as it would count as a "reverse tutor".
Captain N'ghathrod is certainly interesting, as it could provide incidental advantage to the 5 Horrors in the deck. However, the most important effect would be its last ability, which albeit powerful, would probably suffer from the same fate as Wrexial, the Risen Deep. I will keep an eye on it, I could try it out and see how it performs, thanks for the suggestion.
IMMG54 on
Landfall - Soul Windgrace Graveyard
2 months ago
Anything that is blue or white cannot go in this deck. Things like Muldrotha, the Gravetide do not match with Soul of Windgrace's ability.
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