Muldrotha, the Gravetide
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During each of your turns, you may play up to one permanent card of each permanent type from your graveyard. (If a card has multiple permanent types, choose one as you play it.)
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Muldrotha, the Gravetide Discussion
1 day ago
- The first combo uses Altar of Dementia + Kaya's Ghostform + Muldrotha, the Gravetide . How this combo works is you play Kaya's Ghostform on Muldrotha, the Gravetide then sacrifice her to Altar of Dementia targeting an opponent. In order for this combo to truly go infinite is by also having either Pitiless Plunderer or Lotus Petal in play to use for the one black mana on Kaya's Ghostform .
- The second combo that I find to be the easiest to pull off is Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle . This one is pretty self explainatory; you play Thassa's Oracle than before it resolves you play Demonic Consultation naming a card that is not in your deck. After you exile your graveyard, everything resolves and you win! This also works with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries in place of Thassa's Oracle
- The last combo is Muldrotha, the Gravetide + Llanowar Elves + Timestream Navigator + Prime Speaker Vannifar. This combo is the most complicated so here we go. First things first, you need all four creatures on the battlefield with no summoning sickness, as well as having enough permanents for the city's blessing. Next, you activate Timestream Navigator , taking an extra turn. While you are still on the first turn you float a green with Llanowar Elves then sacrifice the elves to Prime Speaker Vannifar . With Prime Speaker Vannifar you go and find Timestream Navigator and then recast Llanowar Elves with the floating green mana. After this, you should have infinite turns, which you should be able to pull a with.
On the planeswalker front Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is super good as a wincon. Value-wise Ashiok, Dream Render , Tamiyo, Collector of Tales , Teferi, Master of Time , and our favorite elk friend Oko, Thief of Crowns all work really well with Muldrotha. Check out my Muldrotha for more card suggestions here
2 days ago
Hmm, this is strange. As far as I can tell, the endpanel and endaccordion lines are in the code, but it's not showing up in the description. I put the code for the description in a code box if you want to glance over it. Thanks for your help dude!
===accordion ===panel: Background I started playing Magic the Gathering back when Guilds of Ravnica was released. I bought 2 fat packs, and promptly built a Dimir surveil "standard" deck that was a steaming pile of hot poo. I then tried to "fix" it by adding in green, making it a sultai deck. This did nothing. However, ever since then, graveyard decks as well as the colors Black/Green/X have always had a special place in my heart. While I was assessing my commander decks, I realized I had never built a deck revolving around the graveyard, and I knew what I had to do. ===endpanel ===panel: Building the Deck To the Interwebs! I rushed to the computer to look on EDHRec to see what graveyard commanders there were. I already had a decent idea of what I was searching for. I had heard of [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]], [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]], as well as [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], but none of these seemed to speak to me. Going strictly Golgari seemed limiting, as there were many cards I wanted to play in blue. However, when I add blue to my decks, I always somehow turn it into a control deck, and I wanted this to be fun for the whole table. So, that idea sadly had to be thrown in the trash. I looked back over my options, and realized that I liked the idea of [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], I just didn't like how it limited you to one card per turn from the graveyard. So, I looked more into the Abzan colors, and found [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]]. It was exactly what I was looking for. ===endpanel ===panel: Gameplan With [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]], I would be able to fill my graveyard to my hearts content, then at the opportune moment cast my commander, reanimating most of my graveyard and turning the tide of the game. Ideally, I would win on the spot once I cast my commander, but since that is not always guaranteed, I added in some "stax" (not sure if that is the right word). Essentially just cards that would slow down my opponents until I can fill up my graveyard with the combo, then reanimate it again with Nethroi. ===endpanel ===panel: Winning the Game The main way this deck wins is through a combo involving [[Reveillark]], [[Karmic Guide]], a sac outlet such as [[Viscera Seer]], and a pinger, such as [[Blood Artist]]. Assuming all the pieces are on the battlefield, you can sacrifice the Karmic Guide to the sac outlet. Now, there is a [[Reveillark]], [[Viscera Seer]], and a [[Blood Artist]] on the battlefield, with a [[Karmic Guide]] in the graveyard. Then, you can sacrifice the [[Reveillark]] to the [[Viscera Seer]] to bring back the [[Karmic Guide]]. When the Karmic Guide enters the battlefield, it's ability will trigger, allowing you to bring back the [[Reveillark]], so you can repeat the process as many times as you need, until every opponent dies from [[Blood Artist]] triggers. <br> <br> While this deck may win through a combo, I don't want it to be as competitive as possible, as most of my playgroup is limited to a tight budget (College will do that to ya). ===endpanel ===panel: Budget In regards to budget, I'm trying to only buy <$100 worth of cards. I already own most of the cards in the deck, but any I don't I'll put in the acquire section. ===endpanel ===panel: Things I've Noticed/Help Needed A few things I've noticed when I goldfished a couple hands with this deck is that it's very mana hungry, and its early game presence is quite lackluster. I tried cutting cards to add in more ramp, but it's to the point where I love every card in the deck, and I can't bring myself to cut more (it was originally a quite hefty 148 card deck when I first drew up a rough draft). What do you think I could cut/replace to keep the core idea of the deck, while getting it down to 100 cards? It seems to be a little all over the place, and I keep noticing I don't have the right cards I need in my hand at the right time. Since this is my first Commander/EDH graveyard focused deck, what are your thoughts? What are things I can improve (besides the atrocious mana curve)? ===endpanel ===panel: Upgrades/Cards I'm Considering This is a list of potential upgrades for down the road, as they're too expensive for the deck at the moment:<br> [[Hermit Druid]]<br> [[Birds of Paradise]]<br> [[Protean Hulk]]<br> [[Fauna Shaman]]<br><br> This is the list of cards I'm considering putting in the deck: <br> [[Ancient Craving]] <br> [[Dakmor Salvage]] <br> [[Drownyard Temple]] <br> [[Night's Whisper]] <br> [[Painful Truths]] <br> [[Plumb the Forbidden]] <br> [[Sign in Blood]] <br> [[Village Rites]] <br> [[Brainspoil]] (can grab [[Karmic Guide]] or [[Reveillark]]) <br> [[Skullwinder]] <br> ===endpanel ===panel: Changelog This is just a spot for me to know what I took out for what, in the case that some cards I add underperform, or some are overperformers :)<br><br> 05/07/21 <br> -[[Fiend Hunter]] OUT for [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]. While Relic-Warder does not target creatures, it combos with [[Animate Dead]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect.<br> -[[Morality Shift]] OUT for [[Skullclamp]]. Mortality Shift's 7 cmc is pretty high, and by the time I can cast it there are probably better things to do. Skullclamp allows me to draw cards, one thing that this deck is lacking, for a very low cost. <br> -[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[Sun Titan]] are OUT. Magistrate was only in as a friend has several scary [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] decks, and it shuts him down until he removes it. I'm still on the fence about Sun Titan. It IS a nice effect, but I'm struggling to justify the mana cost, and if I decide to reanimate it, there are generally better targets to reanimate. <be> -[[Fertilid]] OUT for [[Cultivate]]. While Fertilid is a pretty fun target for Nethroi's reanimate ability, I've found I'm struggling to cast Nethroi in the first place. ===endpanel ===endaccordion
5 days ago
Welcome to the world of green/black.
5 days ago
Yeah I didn’t consider the token theme being similar but that’s true. Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Muldrotha, the Gravetide both look like a lot of fun to play. I think I like Muldrotha the most out of those two.
I’ll come up with a list later and see what I think.
Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
1 week ago
I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.
I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:
- Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
- Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
- Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board
Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.
I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.
Cards I think you want:
Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.
Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.
Mana Drain - The much better counterspell
Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.
Cards I think you might not want:
Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.
Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?
Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.
Sylvan Awakening - why for?
Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.
Nissa, Vital Force - eh...
Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.
Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.
Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.
Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.
Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.
1 week ago
Would Muldrotha, the Gravetide be a better design direction for you? If you are wanting to incorporate green, and you enjoy recurring lost creatures, I think Mul is a better fit for this style of play :)