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Enlightened Tutor Discussion
3 days ago
KongMing brings an interesting point that I'm not sure has been established: "Almost any fetch land (...)"
I know I am taking this out of context, but there are a ton of cards that tutor without exactly being thought of as a "tutor".
Lands are also tutors. Literally all Fetch lands, including Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse , not to mention cards that search for lands such as Expedition Map , Sylvan Scrying , Tempt with Discovery , Reap and Sow , etc.
Heck, we even have Planar Bridge which is just an all-around basic tutor engine.
Then we get into Planeswalkers such as Nahiri, the Harbinger , Samut, the Tested , Garruk, Caller of Beasts , Tezzeret the Seeker , Sarkhan, Dragonsoul , Sarkhan Unbroken , and Liliana Vess to name a decent portion of them.
So "tutors" seem to be a lot more expansive than just the basic 1 - 4 CMC black sorcerys we are use to thinking of. To ask for an "archetype" that has none of these as well as the vast swath of unmentioned cards is actually kind of backbreaking to build. You purposely have to go out of your way to not at least consider some type of card in some kind of color(s) to assist you with. At that point, you're really building more of a challenge deck to test your skill as a deck builder, such as a "one-word tribal" or "goofy hats matter" deck.
It can be done. I'm sure there are tons and tons of decks out there that don't have a single tutor in them, but at the same time those are probably going to be mono-colored decks that have some sort of serious draw potential or so much duplication in terms of cards they select that they don't really NEED to find anything because it's probably going to be right there on top. Decks like this include: Aristocrats, Burn, Ramp, & Zoo.
At least, that's my thoughts on the matter. Either way, it's a good discussion to have as it helps set the tone on how to explore other hub ideas in the future :)
4 days ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help. Amazing deck, $4200+. Wow, holy shit!
Manabase upgrades to consider:
- Gemstone Mine > Path of Ancestry
- Mana Confluence > Llanowar Reborn
- City of Brass > Skycloud Expanse
- Ancient Tomb > Cavern of Souls
Other upgrades to consider:
- Vampiric Tutor > Ignite the Beacon
- Enlightened Tutor > Inexorable Tide
- Mystical Tutor > Green's Sun Zenith
- Ugin, the Spirit Dragon > Dovin Baan
- Karn Liberated > Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Arena Rector > Garruk Wildspeaker
- Deathrite Shaman > Oath of Jace
- Cataclysm > Global Ruin
- Eternal Witness > Akroma's Vengeance
- Coalition Relic > Azorius Signet
- Dig Through Time > Treasure Cruise
5 days ago
Out: Gild --> willst nix exilen sondern in den Graveyard packen, Springleaf Drum --> zu langsam und du willst nix tappen, Ghostly Prison --> geschmackssache muss nicht sein hast genug gute Kreaturen zum blocken, Death Grasp --> besser wäre hier Debt to the Deathless bring lieber alle um als nur einen, Bontu the Glorified muss hart drum herum gebaut werden besser wäre der neue bontu God-Eternal Bontu , Overseer of the Damned --> zu langsamer removal und zombies kommen tapped rein meh, Pontiff of Blight --> Extort brauchst du nicht bzw. das ganze gibt es billiger in Tithe Drinker .
In: Anguished Unmaking + Utter End + Despark + Swords to Plowshares --> typisches Removal Package in Orzhov, Selfless Spirit --> sehr gut weil protection von wipes, Golgari Thug --> kann rein füllt graveyard, Enlightened Tutor --> wenn du ihn hast perfekt findet Skullclamp, Living Death --> hervorragender Boardwipe für dich, Viscera Seer --> immer gut zum saccen, Pawn of Ulamog --> sac futter und ramp,
Rest hast du schon drin.
6 days ago
6 days ago
I’m building a Tamiyo OB deck but a little less Superfriends. I still want the advantage of doubling her and any other planeswalkers though, so doubling season needs to be easily accessible. I was thinking of Enlightened Tutor as a sig. card but that’s too obvious with the reveal and a little narrow scope. I’m going to try out Long-Term Plans and see how much value I can get before my group hates me. Add in a few Brainstorm like cards, a Sylvan Library , and you’re off to the races for next turn fetch.
1 week ago
Either of these would fit the theme of your deck better and would assist you in casting and running the deck.
Altar of the Brood - Doesn't fit what you're doing and doesn't assist in your goal
Ghostfire Blade - Not good enough. You're running Eldrazi. They're big enough and powerful enough to take care of themselves
Mycosynth Lattice - This doesn't help you. Most of your stuff is colorless so this only helps your opponents cast spells and places a glaring weakness that a card like Vandalblast can easily exploit.
Bonds of Mortality - You're running annihilator and massive creatures. You're rarely worried about the occasional hexproof creature, and you shouldn't have an issue with the occasional enchantment or artifact. Eldrazi overwhelm. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Prismatic Omen - This doesn't help you enough. Most of your stuff is colorless so this doesn't do a crazy amount for you. In addition, you're running Chromatic Lantern which will do this and also produces mana on top of it.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - Why? This has nothing to do with your deck
Despark - There are better removal options, but as an eldrazi tribal deck you'd be better off playing cards that protect and accelerate you rather than this.
Wear / Tear - While decent, you don't usually need to hit both at once and it's multiple colors. I'd run Naturalize or Krosan Grip instead.
Fathom Feeder - ...No. Just no.
Mist Intruder - While this and Fathom Feeder are both eldrazi, just because you're running a tribal deck doesn't mean you have to run every tribal card, nor only tribal cards. Cut this and see my suggestions for cards to replace it with.
Khenra Charioteer - There are better alternatives
Vile Aggregate - You're running eldrazi. You're going tall rather than wide so you're unlikely to ever really have enough creatures out at once to really make this card worth running.
Bojuka Bog - Not worth it. It comes out tapped and unless someone is both running a graveyard deck and has enough good cards in it at the same time, you're not going to get enough value out of this, or if you want to save it for that, then you have a dead land in hand and there would be far better cards like Rest in Peace and such.
Gateway Plaza - Comes in tapped, costs an additional mana to play, and only gives one mana. Too slow and not good enough.
Ruins of Oran-Rief - You're running Eldrazi. You really don't need one more +1/+1. A colored mana would assist you more here as it would also help you pay for and colored spells you would like to cast.
Akroma's Memorial - This is a fantastic card that in your deck would be a win con. I would recommend running this over Eldrazi Monument as it does a lot more and doesn't force you to sacrifice your important eldrazi.
Privileged Position - An absolutely amazing card that I run in every deck that can run it. Full protection on ALL your permanents.
Sterling Grove - Protection for all your enchantments and allows you to fetch any that you need.
Krosan Grip - Guaranteed removal on artifacts or enchantments.
Ramos, Dragon Engine - You're running a five colored big boy deck. This enables it and since it's colorless it'll be relatively easy for you to cast.
Archetype of Endurance - Fantastic protection and a powerful creature to run. As a plus it fulfills some of the same roles as the cards you ran that removed hexproof.
Archetype of Aggression - Replaces your Khenra Charioteer as a much better, single color, alternative.
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Great card draw, annihilator, reshuffles your graveyard which prevents mill and keeps your deck running even after a board wipe, and a giant eldrazi god, all built into one card.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - Card draw, counter protection, and a menacing eldrazi god. Who could ask for more?
Emrakul, the Promised End - Reduced costs, protection, flying, trample, steals a turn, and an eldrazi god. Nuff said.
Temur Ascendancy - Replaces or in addition to Fervor . Haste plus card draw and your creatures are almost all going to trigger it.
Demonic Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Vampiric Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Harsh Mercy - Tribal board wipe
Explosive Vegetation - Land fetch
Skyshroud Claim - Land fetch that comes in untapped. If you upgrade your landbase to include cards like Breeding Pool (see recommendations lower), you can use this and cards like Nature's Lore to fetch them and bring them in untapped.
Patriarch's Bidding - Full board wipe recovery, and/or a kill card if you have a haste enabler on the board.
Heroic Intervention - Top Tier instant speed protection.
Teferi's Protection - Top Tier instant speed protection
Cyclonic Rift - One of the best board wipes in the game. Cannot be protected against, reset's their entire board, and leaves you in a fantastic position.
Enlightened Tutor - Artifact/Enchantment Fetch
Worldly Tutor - Creature Fetch
Mystical Tutor - Instant/Sorcery Fetch
Urza's Incubator - Eldrazi cost reduction
Descendants' Path - Free Eldrazi casts
Rhystic Study - Fantastic card draw
Bloom Tender - In a 5-color deck this card is amazing ramp.
Birds of Paradise - Any color ramp for 1
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon - Does this require explanation in a colorless deck?
Beast Within - Destroys any permanent. This is a fantastic card to run as a mere 3/3 beast shouldn't bother you, and even if it would, it's likely far better than what they previously had.
Chaos Warp - Removes any permanent. Can be used on your own stuff to pull a new permanent out of your deck if needed. Bypasses indestructible.
See the Unwritten - Need I say more?
Tooth and Nail - Need I say more?
Exploration - Amazing ramp. Accelerates your turns
Burgeoning - See Exploration
Mana Reflection - The best mana doubler, bar none.
Zendikar Resurgent - Mana doubler plus card draw
Smothering Tithe - One of the best ramp cards
Oracle of Mul Daya - Fantastic acceleration. Combines with other accelerators such as Exploration and Burgeoning as they can now play lands off the top of your library as well.
Second Sunrise - Full boardwipe recovery
Defense of the Heart - Easy free creature drops
Mirari's Wake - Mana doubler plus anthem
Faith's Reward - Full, personal, boardwipe recovery
Seedborn Muse - One of the best cards you can run, bar none.
Commander's Sphere - 3 drop mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Darksteel Ingot - 3 drop indestructible mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Recommended Land Additions/Swaps:
Cavern of Souls
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Mana coverage, allows your fetch and colorless lands to tap for colored if they need
Cabal Coffers - Combines with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to generates metric butt tons of mana
Fetch lands and shock lands are fantastic upgrades to your deck. Fetch lands let you pull the exact lands you need and let them come in untapped, and shock lands can both be fetched because they say the actual land type (ex. Breeding Pool is a Forest Island), and can come in untapped or tapped depending on what you need. Coming in untapped and generating multiple colors gives a distinct advantage over mono-colored lands and lands that must come in tapped.
Eldrazi Monument - Hurts you too much and doesn't generate enough benefit. If you can't get a weak creature out in time, or don't have one available, you'll either have a dead card in hand that you don't want to cast, or one that hurts you badly. If you want indestructible, look at cards like Boros Charm or Heroic Intervention .
From Beyond - Too slow and doesn't do enough.
A tribal deck isn't limited to only cards of its tribe, but rather is mostly one tribe and has several cards that accelerate and power up the tribe. Hence my recommendation is that you cut a few of the weaker cards that are unnecessary and instead run a few non-tribal cards that strengthen, accelerate, and assist your deck.
1 week ago
Gavvin Both Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor would be nice but the choice in tutors was for more of a flavor text. Beseech the Queen for example always reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan aka Queen of Blades. As for Diabolic Tutor for the terms of the zerg evolution.
Otherwise the deck is still finding it's identity rather than be part of the normal model for a Sliver deck.
2 weeks ago
40 lands with a 2.5 avg. cmc? You should be closer to 32-33 with that low of a curve. I'd also drop your 1 time draw spells like
It'll make room for low cmc cards like Reconnaissance , Scapegoat , Enlightened Tutor and Boros Charm . You also need more draw power, first add Skullclamp , then consider Dark Prophecy , Herald's Horn , and Twilight Prophet .
Feel free to check out my list for ideas... my curve is a bit higher but it's one of the top rated Edgar lists on the entire site and has over 130 comments worth of ideas to sift through. Edgar's Dega Vampires
Enlightened Tutor occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.17%
GW (Selesnya): 1.52%
WB (Orzhov): 0.64%
WU (Azorius): 1.78%
WUB (Esper): 1.06%
GWU (Bant): 1.2%
RBW (Mardu): 0.61%