Serra Avenger

Serra Avenger

Creature — Angel

You can't cast this spell during your first, second, or third turns of the game.

Flying, vigilance

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Serra Avenger Discussion

darkmus on Serra's Descendants, competitive Angel Tribal

3 months ago

DigitlViking glad you like the deck! With an appropriate SB for the meta I am sure you can get a few wins with this deck, and more importantly have a ton of fun.

Archangel of Thune is our biggest finisher and we tend to want one as soon as we can cast it. That said it's a 5 drop and it's not like we can't win without her so I don't think there will be much problem going to 3 to save a few bucks. Lyra Dawnbringer is the second best choice for a 5 drop IMO for this deck, and they do quite similar things, so it won't make much difference if you go 3 Thunes and 1 Lyra. And in the future you may want to upgrade once tryed and seen why Thune has an slight edge.

About Shalai, Voice of Plenty , I think she's amazing, you are always happy to see her in your hand. She protects us and our hand super well and combos neatly with Giver of Runes. You feel safe with her on board. The only reason I don't run a 4 of is because she is legendary. But she doesn't really advance our win plan, so I assume that if you cut one of them our plan doesn't really change or gets affected, it's just a bit easier to disrupt.

About other options, the other best angel 4 drops are Archangel of Tithes, Angel of Jubilation and Linvala, Keeper of Silence. I already explained their their individual pros and cons more in depth in previous comments so check those out. But basically those 3 (may depending on the deck) disrupt your oppenents plan. But to have a card that my or my not disrupt the oppenents plan I'll rather have one that ensures that our plan doesn't get f****d. After all we are in white, every card is relevant.

Any way, if you manage to free two slots i'll probably give a go to 2 Speaker of the Heavens. When he is online is such a power house... A couple of Serra Avenger s might fill the gap also.

Card draw is a huge problem so I've been thinking lately about testing a 2 of Mask of Memory and my main candidates to go were actually an archangel and a Shalai so you might want to be the one who gives it a try and tell us all how it went. I think that with such a cheap both cast and specially equipping cost and so many flyers in our deck it has the chance of being pretty consistent.

darkmus on Serra's Descendants, competitive Angel Tribal

3 months ago

lagotripha portable hole is worthless in this deck. 99% of the permanents that worry us are 3cmc or more (mainly planneswalkers, ensnaring bridges, etc. You can go momo white but if you do the only card that does the trick is Generous Gift.

I've more than tested Serra Avenger, it's what I used before Youthful was printed. But the card is only good if you vial it in, a 2 of works Shor of. Not more than that. Youthful is much better.

Speaker of the Heavens is my choice 1 drop for a more budget list. It's ceiling is super high. But it's bottom is super low. It's either a wincon or a dead top draw/chumblocker. Giver is much more consistent and adds way more overall. Still is a card I will totally add 2 off to a more budget or low to the ground list.

Luminarch Ascension is waaaay to slow for modern.

Tobe fair impostor is never been in the competition, XD, but yeah, they've printedmreprinted a few 2 cmc angels latelly, but I wish those were at least rares. And I will kill for a 1cmc rare/mythic angel. And yeah, I wish we didn't have to look for humans but honestly I think is going to be hard to get something better than bishop, even if she's not an angel. That thing is too good.

A 1cmc creature that becames an angel could be dope, but in this build it would be worthless since most our staff cares of angels ETBing, not in play.

What I think we need is some kind of card advantage stapled in to an angel. And we could use an angel variation of Skyclave Apparition also. There are a couple angels that do that but all return the card when they leave the battlefield, which sucks.

I hope that in innistrad we get and angel worth making the list, fingers crossed

lagotripha on Serra's Descendants, competitive Angel Tribal

3 months ago

I like this list idea- I'll second the call for mono white - there are cards being printed like Portable Hole that fill universal removal holes, the rest should get there.

Youthful does a lot, Serra Avenger is worth some testing if you can vial it out, and Speaker of the Heavens plays to the lifegain synergy. Thats it in terms of low cost fairly-early game angels. Luminarch Ascension is dope but not exactly early game.

I just want wizards to print some better 1/2/3 drop angels, or cards that care about angels. Impostor of the Sixth Pride shouldn't be in the competition for a tribe with a card printed in almost every set, and I shouldn't look at human tribal cards to support speaker/bishop synergies.

A 1 drop creature that becomes an angel when X happens, or grants decent stats to angels would go so far. Even an angel Squadron Hawk would do a lot.

janederscore on Orzhov Valkyries

4 months ago

darkmus, yeah I've been going back and forth in my head about Resplendent Angel , but I do agree that its probably worth the price of admission to have a card that efficient in play.

I do think I'll probably swap in Legion Angel , I guess I'm just a bit anxious about how efficient removal is in modern compared to standard haha. It does make more sense to run generally than 4 Serra Avenger .

Ideally I think I'm going to keep this in B/W if for no other reason than to keep the identity of the deck in-tact (and so when I'm playing super casually I can slip in some of my favorite black valkyries just for fun). I think hitting about $200 usd is the spot I'd like this deck to sit in, that's about the max I'd be willing to shell out for this sort of thing and right now this is hovering right around that point.

I'm thinking about adding a couple Seraph of the Scales for the additional token payout, and I am definitely going to add 2 Great Hall of Starnheim ; both because its a cheap land, and because in my experience having the token conversion is actually extremely useful (and, with Resplendent Angel and one other lifegain source in play, its a 2-for-1 deal).

I definitely think I'll have a lot of fun with this when I get it put together, and thank you again for the help!

darkmus on Orzhov Valkyries

4 months ago

janederscore if you put in the deck Bishop of Wings , Righteous Valkyrie , Seraph Sanctuary , Cleric Class and Angel of Vitality I recommend you (unlesh money issues) to put at least a couple of resplendents in there. Thay are a great finisher and with so many life gain you will be activating it passively just by playing angels and doing your stuff. She's amazing. You have 12 different life gain triggers, I can't speak without trying it but I believe Cleric Class will end up neting you more +1/+1 than the other one, plus you can put them all in one creature and both the first and last modes of the class feel to me more useful to this deck. Legion Angel is a total overachiever, a must, she's been the MVP in my deck (which is my main that I use against tier1 decks and win with it) many matches. Yeah, first being bolt range sounds shitty but, well, it's not. It generates more value for your opponent than for you? Well... No, it doesn't, mor e like the total opposite. Are they going to have 3 bolts to stop the 3 straight turns of putting and angel and triggering all our stuff, even if it dies? No they are not going to, it overwhelmes opponents, they need to put a toon of resources to kill all of them while your angel replaces itself and nets you some triggers along the way. And she will be your most aggressive creature, the 4 power with evasion will matter and is a nice fast clock for the oponnent. Serra Avenger also dies to bolt, and you are rarely going to have 2 of them at the same time to play them together to make sure one survives. It's a dead card the whole early game, I wouldn't put more than 2 avengers in, you don't want to draw it until you can play it. I'll strongly suggest 2x Avengers and 2x Legion. But even if you want 4 avengers that's OK, is not a bad card, but at least give legion a try, you will be pleasently surprised (as I was, because I thought the same as you until I tried it). Yeah emeria's call doesn't ad much. No need for it. I told you just so you bear it in mind (I have to say anyway that I am from Europe and everything here is somewhere between 1/3rd and 2/3rds the price, so it's just like 2 bucks here) I've tried them, as sad as it is, I can assure you there is no black valkirye worth playing in modern. I do think that firgas retribution is slightly better than starnheim unleashed, but I don't think it's 60 bucks better if you know what I mean, specially if money is an issue. I'll rather spend that money in resplendent angels, they will win you more matches in the long run and is an easier card to sell if the moment arrives than mediocre lands. Plus it's price is growing lately, so maybe it's even a small investment.

The deck looks much better now than yesterday anyway, good luck fellow angel player, I am sure you will have a lot of fun with it!

janederscore on Orzhov Valkyries

4 months ago

Hi darkmus! Thank you for the suggestions, I really appreciate it.

I was looking at your Serra's Descendants, competitive Angel Tribal deck last night actually, and I agree on the Bishop of Wings call for sure, I actually completely forgot about that card when I was building this. Speaker of the Heavens I originally wasn't considering because of the aggressive stance I was taking with the low mana cost creatures, but as nice as Resplendent Angel is its definitely less justifiable without more lifegain payoff (and is the most expensive card here by far), so I think that's a switch I'm comfortable with making.

I was concerned about the payoff for Cleric Class being less reliable than Paladin Class , but with an extra couple of lifegain cards like Bishop that's definitely more viable feeling.

Legion Angel is one of my favorite cards in standard right now, but I'm worried about having a 4 mana drop sitting in bolt range. The card advantage is very helpful, but I feel like it generates more value for an opponent than it does for me if it immediately dies to a 1 mana spell. I think I might value the opportunity to drop 2 Serra Avenger on turn 4 a bit more instead.

I have the same issues with Emeria's Call  Flip as you noted here and in your conversations about it in your Serra's Descendants deck, its something that just doesn't generate enough value consistently enough that its worth spending the extra 6 bucks to me.

I definitely am considering swapping to a monowhite deck here, especially since unfortunately as much as I love them the black (and most b/w) valkyrie cards just aren't very viable in modern (rest in peace Eradicator Valkyrie and Hailstorm Valkyrie , I wish you two were better ;_;).

I worry about Starnheim Unleashed a bit since getting efficient payouts with it requires having at least 5 mana on the board, and I've found that Firja's Retribution is actually quite nice in a lot of instances; the "free" removal on stage 2 is nice for killing flying blockers without taking a hit on my tokens (since you can activate it after declaring), and the double strike ends up being a wincon in most games where I get it out on the field. That said, the dual lands are pretty pricey, so the switch is definitely still on the table for me.

Anyway, thank you again! I'll be making a few changes here to update things and see how it shapes up.

K0rt on Angels ♡ That need some help

4 months ago

Get ready for a long post. I put way to much effort into this.

Depends on what direction you want to go and how competitive you want to be. Currently, Ephemerate doesn't really give you much value for flicking your angels, meaning that it isn't worth the card it is taking up over just another angel. I see two different ways to take this deck, either leaning into Angel synergies with life gain or a Ephemerate deck.

Ephemerate decks are great, and if your looking for a budget deck for a kitchen table or low powered modern games then you can build something pretty cheaply by just looking around for cool cards on Scryfall. The issue is that if you want more than that and want a more powerful deck the creatures that work well with Ephemerate are generally really really good and become very expensive by being played loads. In competitive modern these are often 80 cards Yorion, Sky Nomad decks that run Stoneforge Mystic and Solitude as there main cards, which are very expensive. You can try something with Wall of Omens, Thraben Inspector and Charming Prince to generate value but it won't be very powerful with Stoneforge. I think if you want bang for your buck you probably want to try and build the deck around Angel's synergies, although if you want to upgrade into competitive Modern deck at some variable point in the future it is less good.

In the angel's direction, the main payoffs in Modern are being able to play Aether Vial, Resplendent Angel and Archangel of Thune which are all, presumably, out of your price range. To make a budget version you probably want to make out on Youthful Valkyrie, Speaker of the Heavens, Seraph Sanctuary and Bishop of Wings for additional synergies with Angels. You probably want to play some Serra Avenger as a cheap beater and source of Angel related triggers. Some other cards are Sephara, Sky's Blade, although with would be best with a source of tokens such as Lingering Souls and Spectral Procession and cheat it in more consistently if you want to build around it. Archangel of Tithes is greater in creature matchups if you play against them regularly and can easily win races combined with your lifegain. Angel of Invention is a 'Lord' effect that also can create chump blockers and have value if your creates all die. Honor of the Pure is a pump effect that is difficult to interact with. Starnheim Unleashed is one of the most powerful cards in standard Angels and can win games by itself.

As much as it pains me to say it as a big fan of Meld Gisela, the Broken Blade and Bruna, the Fading Light  Flip aren't really that good, either dying to the most played removal in the format like (Lightning Bolt) for no value or costing 7 mana for too little upside. The same is true for Angel of Destiny which seems like a massive win more card 90% of the time. Starnheim Aspirant seems good but considering the number of white symbols in your costs I doubt this will be legitimately save on mana enough to warrant an inclusion. With your current mana base, you only going to draw double black to cast Sign in Blood 53% of the time by turn 6 and I doubt increasing the number of tapped lands is worth the card draw. Speaking of which making out on Scoured Barrens is probably worth it alongside a couple of other dual lands of your choice, maybe Silverquill Campus if your going to be running the Firja's Retribution which I recommend as that card is very very good.

TLDR: Add good cards cut bad cards.

Drcfan on Mono White Angels

9 months ago

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  • Hm it doesnt seem to have a consistent plan nor a legit format. I would suggest to go for modern since it has a lot of cards in its pool and is the most common 60 cards format besides standard. I am an Angels Deck builder since 6 years, so i have a couple of suggestions. Of course that doesnt mean that you have to change something, i mean it is just a suggestion and all the mentioned cards wont fit anyway in a 60 cards deck. Try to make it more consistent if needed by playing 4-of or tutor effects.

  • Since you mentioned your friend plays burn, i will give you some cards that will make your winrate nearly 100% against burn. Burn has barely no chance against lifegain decks. Angels can be build in a lifegain way, which i am personally no fan of but many are, so here we go.

  • If you want to check out a non lifegain modern Angel deck, you can check out Devotion to White Angels.

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