As an additional cost to cast Toxic Deluge, pay X life.
All creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
|Have (2)||metalmagic ,|
|Want (7)||Divine_Equinoxx , Ryk7 , Dykle_ , fitz66 , xepherian , Rabu , cristler|
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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Rare|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Toxic Deluge occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.2%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.11%
UB (Dimir): 1.0%
WB (Orzhov): 0.46%
WUB (Esper): 0.73%
UBR (Grixis): 0.71%
BUG (Sultai): 0.74%
Toxic Deluge Discussion
3 days ago
so Mindcensor was definitely supposed to be in the list. I updated that, thank you.
Ouphe DOES stop our lines with the altars, however generally you'd play it to slow down faster decks and their mana rocks/ win conditions. And on our own combo turns, we would simply sacrifice the ouphe to Ghave before we go off.
Three Visits is to find our basic forests for Earthcraft , because it is the core of the deck. But it can also fetch Savannah or Bayou for mana fixing. And in general, lands are much safer than playing more dorks. We already run the all the best dorks we can in Abzan. Force is good, and always considered. I swap it out sometimes.
Toxic Deluge is very tempo negative for us, as we generally want to save our dorks and utility creatures. I've used it before, after casting Ghave, and it was okay. I would have rathered had another tutor or card advantage.
3 days ago
Hi RylandL! That's quite an interesting list! Could you explain to me why you play Three Visits instead of another dork? Also why play Collector Ouphe over Aven Mindcensor ? Ouphe blocks some of our combo lines and there are not many removals in the deck. Have you considered adding Force of Vigor ? What about Toxic Deluge ? Thank you.
4 days ago
Fumiko the Lowblood . Creates an interesting dynamic on the board every time your commander is out. Lots of neat effects to pair it with, whether you go for untap restrictions like Smoke or Static Orb , or just want to cause games to end quickly with things like Furnace of Rath
Also a big fan of Horobi, Death's Wail . Pack it full of every single death black effect you can find, like Death Match Death Pits of Rath , Mindslicer Pestilence and whatever else you can find. You'll win far more games than you imagine as you create a board state so toxic no one can develop properly. You don't even need free target effects, but it helps.
Kaervek the Merciless is another general that allows some unique building imo. Stuff yourself full of board wipes like Pyroclasm Anger of the Gods Toxic Deluge Earthquake and similar to keep the board clear while you build up to 7 mana. Stuff your deck full of fatties who can survive small red sweeper effects, and punish players with the Kaervek trigger and your fatties.
For a serious competitive answer, look at Tasigur, the Golden Fang . Highly political deck with a strong color identity, and lots of different infinite combos available as your means of winning. The GY recursion allows you to play control in a format that is traditionally hard to play control in.
6 days ago
Jubilation I've been trying to fit it in ever since I found that out. I'm just not 100% sure what to take out for it.
However that being said I'm not if this deck truly needs it. Glaring Spotlight does almost the same thing, minus the indestructible effect, for a static effect that doesn't use any mana. Also, keep in mind Arcane Lighthouse and Detection Tower are pretty much the same thing. Just with them being lands they aren't dead cards if I don't need to remove hexproof or shroud.
1 week ago
You've given a ton to think about, Valius! Much appreciated! A lot of what you mentioned makes sense. Initially, my goal was to build this deck around the $100 mark, so I didn't consider cards like Cyclonic Rift , Toxic Deluge , etc. But... things change! :)
Mind if I ask you a couple of more questions? When you were writing your 2 comments, I was in the process of adding 3 questions to my description above. You've already answered #2 pretty thoroughly. Mind taking a stab at questions 1 and 3 (I didn't forget about Bojuka Bog )? Thanks in advance!
1 week ago
Mirko Vosk isn’t all that great unless he can connect with the opponent. You’ll do more mill with your walls than you will with him. Replace him with Avatar of Woe
Sire of Stagnation isn’t really on theme here, and is expensive. You’re better off with Lord of the Void or Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger if you’re looking for an impactful creature, but I’d probably choose Geth, Lord of the Vault or Oona, Queen of the Fae since they’re more on flavor and are good mana sinks if needed.
You have very little spot removal, Hero's Downfall , Doomblade etc, so be careful there. Also, Black has access to Plague Wind In Garruk's Wake and even Mutilate , and you definitely should be running Cyclonic Rift over Aether Gale . Board wipes are important, and you’ll have the largest toughness to survive those “all creatures get -x/-x” effects, so make use of them - Toxic Deluge would probably be the absolute best.
Don’t forget about Laboratory Maniac , because you can mill yourself.
All those cards that mill opponents when you draw a card are taking away from other cards you need unless you’re drawing a ton of cards in a turn. Notion Thief and Teferi's Puzzle Box is the absolute best combo for dimir (imho) and pairs well with those cards, but a lack of Howling Mine like effects makes these cards less relevant to the mill from your walls. Memory Erosion will just do you more work.
Tutoring is important if you’re running combo, so don’t forget Diabolic Tutor or other expensive ones if you feel like buying them.
Biggest thing is just remember you’re trying to mill a billion at a time, not little bits here and there. If a card isn’t milling a ton, replace it with something else that’s more impactful. Combo pieces are nice, but without tutoring they’re unreliable.
1 week ago
1 week ago
I gave one above, Attrition is a very solid creature control card especially with tokens to spend. Toxic Deluge is a powerful board wipe, and if you throw in snow basics, Dead of Winter is also solid.