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Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Legendary Creature — Angel
Flying, vigilance, indestructible
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Avacyn, Angel of Hope Discussion
3 days ago
Hey guys, i need some tips in order to power up this Pauper UB Dimir into a casual format powerhouse. The only restriction is no single card more expensive than 50$ - 60$. My main opponents would be RW Dragons (with cards like Thundermaw Hellkite ; Grand Abolisher ; Mother of Runes ) and GW Angels with Avacyn, Angel of Hope ; Iona, Shield of Emeria ; Baneslayer Angel and some Elves to ramp mana. There are even some Circles of protecion and Leyline of Lifeforce here and there.
This is my deck: Dimir Alchemy
6 days ago
Hi again realsoupersand,
Had to fly out to Ottawa, ON in Canada for a bit, so back in action.
50% of the time, I win with my primary win-con, which is Buried Alive + Reanimate , generally between T1-4 depending on how much tutoring and mana ramps I have available. It's CMC4, which happens on T1 occassionally, T2/T3 more realistically.
Karmic Guide is a critical component of that combo, also, yes she is playable with Kaalia of the Vast . Also enables Razaketh, the Foulblooded from the graveyard, and provides for sac/tutor. It's usually never a dead draw, and at CMC5 is still playable from hand, on occasion if the game is going on, and the Protection: with Flying also has assisted occasionally. Other than her obvious CMC as just a recursion tool, she's generally been good, and a requirement for the primary win-con.
Angel of Despair is just a Vindicate for CMC7, its ridiculous and only 5/5 flying. However, it's what I ALWAYS Tainted Pact to when Show and Tell + Omniscience , unless they have Leyline of Anticipation it's "usually" good enough. I can tutor Anguished Unmaking , however, I have to give priority up with an Omniscience on the table, so it's far too late by then. Can also destroy other random threats if needed too. She's borderline for sure. Red Elemental Blast is too slow in this case.
Angelic Arbiter was answering the Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but now it's always Kess, Dissident Mage . Also for Tooth and Nail type encounters (eg: Craterhoof Behemoth ) or any type of haste/recursion. All together stops a few. I usually just put 1 response to any situation, because I just tutor the exclusive solution needed.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope protects against MLD type situations, but she's not difficult to remove anyway, everyone's removal deals with her no problem. If she buys me an extra turn though, it's worth it. Can also put a player on a turn timer or make them act before prepared (no Force of Will for example), sometimes... Not the strongest for sure. Or like a The Gitrog Monster looping destroy maybe...
Balefire Dragon is again, just to solve specific issues or eliminate high value ground targets. Like the others, Tainted Pact to hand whenever, a situation calls for it. I tried to cut back on creature controls (ex: Damnation ) just because its not a creature world, but often creatures can be enablers.
Baneslayer Angel cut, served no purpose other than lifelink for the Hatred but the CMC5 was too much, and only removed a single opponent. Serra Ascendant T1 "usually" puts enough pressure on 1 player (usually )), who is now on a turn timer, spending life for tutoring becomes harder, and sometimes waste time removing it. Statistically found, I was usually nearly 1 turn earlier to win with Serra Ascendant , plus overcharges me for an early Necropotence or Razaketh, the Foulblooded win or Doom Whisperer win.
Phyrexian Arena is tough, high CMC, no return. It still the second highest played card in commander, and I don't know how else to draw? Mardu is a drawing nightmare. Have to think on it, how to deal with it but agreed, same issue is with Bloodgift Demon . I've had Skyline Despot recommended has a same turn impact (draw at EOT), but also, might be ramping oppponents draw too, especially if I have no way to reconnect on attack as Skyline Despot doesn't have trample.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight has the added benefit of removing 1-damage win-cons like Impact Tremors , Blasting Station , Goblin Bombardment , Dragon Tempest (with 1 dragon), Etc... Also puts pressure on. Usually just for a specific application though. I think my interaction package is more similar to a Thoughtseize type application, where if I can't win early, I tutor what I need to address the specific threats, instead of using Instant spell to do them? If that makes sense. Gisela, the Broken Blade i've cut.
Hellkite Tyrant was specifically answering an almost consistent Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. It's been a while since C16 set now, so definitely seeing it less and less. Might help with Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Urza, Lord High Artificer on occasion. It wasn't enough on it's own though, it also needed a Linvala, Keeper of Silence to go with it. Prior to this, I had nothing to compete with Breya, Etherium Shaper , had no way to win.
Lyra Dawnbringer is on my cut list now, might become the Sire Of Insanity or something like that. Mother of Runes works good with Master of Cruelties , also can protect Kaalia of the Vast , makes guys like Balefire Dragon unblockable too, or protects a Razaketh, the Foulblooded and becomes Tutor mana, or blocks an early Infect attack. Slow yes, but has some utility. Also can protect my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon causing me to win (instead of lose). It's borderline for sure, have to think about it. Aven Mindcensor feels good, looking for a way to include him as well as the Sire Of Insanity .
Steel Hellkite I tried for over a year, I would either, not be able to connect (no trample), or when I did, not enough mana to get the threat that I really needed to remove. I gave up on Steel Hellkite , also needs a Mother of Runes for support.
Ancient Tomb is back in, can't recall why I removed it. Think it screwed me one game with the colorless, but now that I've removed most of the colorless, it makes sense. Prismatic Vista isn't great, only 2 basics (can put in the snow's but for why), I like that it filters a land out (lower probability of drawing a land), but also destroys my mana-fixing as well, so agreed, unnecessary in this build, but feels weird.
I'm probably going to continue reducing CMC and reducing land counts as you've recommended, but needs some expensive 0-CMC rocks which I don't have, or some resource planning around alt. mana sources.
Overall goal is still to build for cEDH, understanding that consistency isn't going to push into more than a Tier-2.5/3 categorization, so I'll go over High Power again later lol.
Thinking about Interaction, I really don't want to go heavy into that with things like, Dismember or Lightning Bolt would rather let the opponents use their removal, and PRAY that I can sneak through a combo. If I combo T1 it has a fairly high success rate (other than a Pact of Negation which eliminated themselves) usually don't get stopped (Odd Force of Will or Swords to Plowshares here and there), T2 is still decently good, often others are still tutoring for a T3 win, but outside of T3 or beyond, usually I need to wait until someone tries to combo, and then is stopped, before I have a chance. I just go for it whenever I can though, increases winning % over trying to strategically go for it and being too late.
I think perhaps Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or both perhaps will be handy, Silence I wish it had Split Second (like Teferi's Protection ) because most combos don't have a "sorcery" speed interaction so doesn't stop. Can protect me on the turn I'm going for it like another Grand Abolisher but outside of that not highly useful. Will do some playtesting with it and see if it improves my completion % for combo and increases my combo win % because that's all that matters.
I decided not to go MLD, can Stax/MLD certainly is a strategy, but prefer just to ignore others, and just go for the win myself, win or lose. Plus I don't repopulate my hand nor ramp, so probably just slowing myself down instead of the opponents. Plus I don't have a Ravages of War so would require a financial commitment, would rather focus on finding a way to go for the win on T1-T3 more consistently.
I think if you found Kaalia of the Vast wasn't competitive using MLD before you dissolved that strategy, don't think it's the right course to go down either. Would rather try some out-of-the-box planning, and see if we can get her into a cEDH, which your comments are VERY helpful, and VERY appreciated. Think I've made some decent strides, still waiting for my card order to come in the mail so I can make some more cuts/adds to the deck!
I'll reply on high power shortly since it's lower priority, and hopefully you'll see my deck going in a stronger direction. Pushing that T1 probability up is key. I keep thinking there must be a T1 with Entomb and Goryo's Vengeance that I can do somehow? Razaketh, the Foulblooded would need another enabler, but there must be someone (like Griselbrand aka Griselbanned) to win with? Hmm.
1 week ago
3: Can you think of a better option than these?
1 week ago
Just curious...... Avacyn, Angel of Hope is “tribal”....
1 week ago
@lil_cheez thanks dude,
yeah, i actually want to get 37 lands in (36 normal ones + Cabal Coffers ), to ensure always having a good mana base. i already run Lightning Greaves , since it has no equip costs, and i don't have any cards that i want to target Kaalia of the Vast with (except Mother of Runes ). i prefer running Hammer of Purphoros over a 2nd Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots since it doesn't cost me an additional mana to attack with kaalia once i play her, plus i also run Hall of the Bandit Lord for the haste effect. As for Rakdos the Defiler : i actually don't usually attack with him a second time, so i don't have to sacrifice anything myself. there are some exceptions where it might be worth attacking again, but those are pretty rare, i usually keep him as a blocker, or as a sacrifice for Razaketh, the Foulblooded . Aegis Angel looks interesting, maybe i'll add it, but since i already have Avacyn, Angel of Hope , it doesn't benefit me that much. but yeah, i will add 1 (or preferably 2) more lands, i just have to decide which card(s) to remove. but thank you for the suggestions :)
3 weeks ago
To make the game last against aggro strategies you could use Ratchet Bomb as your holy hand grenade (it can get rid of tokens the same turn you cast it, or creatures with converted mana cost 1, 2, 3, relatively fast), or else, you can use Sunscour , although I would put it in the sidedeck because you may play against decks wihtout cratures -thats why i prefer Ratchet Bomb -.
You can also use Runed Halo on yourself. It can prevent black cards with "sacrifice" mechanics, or prevent the damage of a creature full of auras, and help with repetitive red cards focused on life damage.
I recommend Angel of the Dire Hour , and make sure you have 4x Resplendent Angel , after all, they can decide the game all alone. You can also have more Shalai, Voice of Plenty if you think it is necessary, although Voice of All with deathtouch ir more elegant.
Adding an extra color you could also think to exchange all your artifacts for board wipe strategies like Akroma's Vengeance , Merciless Eviction along with the Brave the Elements strategy (to save your creatures). And maybe Profane Procession Flip, Kaya's Guile and Vindicate .
You could also find better lands to match this deck. You are only using "plains". I know it demands some researching, but you gonna have to do it sooner or later.
After this you could focus on a sidedeck against discard, blue counter, or something else. Like Luminarch Ascension , which is already there, and more cards related with the graveyard.
3 weeks ago
I would start by upgrading your token generators. Enchantments like Parallel Lives , Anointed Procession , and Doubling Season should be a must. If you need a budget alternative for Doubling Season, go for Primal Vigor . The problem with the latter is that it also affects your opponents' tokens. As far as planeswalkers go, Ajani, the Greathearted does not really work in this kind of deck. You should think about other options like Elspeth, Sun's Champion , Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury , and even Elspeth, Knight-Errant would perform better than Ajani. The deck also seems to lack removal, so I would consider adding cards like Return to Dust , Song of the Dryads , Lignify , Aura Shards (this one should be a must), Swords to Plowshares , and Path to Exile . A budget artifact that I would consider adding is Throne of the God-Pharaoh because you will constantly be tapping your creatures, so it'll trigger. It's won me multiple games. Other enchantments to consider are Mirari's Wake , Smothering Tithe (ramps you up big time), Cryptolith Rite , Divine Visitation (a must!), and Sylvan Library . In the creature department, definitely add Craterhoof Behemoth because that's the main win con for token decks. Other creatures you can add are Avacyn, Angel of Hope (adds protection to your board/ends games. If you can't afford this angel, then I would go with Akroma, Angel of Wrath because it'll do nicely if you are running Tooth and Nail ), Avenger of Zendikar , Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , and Voice of Resurgence . Your artifact section seems to be spot on; if anything, I'd just consider Akroma's Memorial , Ashnod's Altar , and Eldrazi Monument . As far as sorceries, you could add Wrath of God , Finale of Glory , Tooth and Nail (if you resolve the entwine it's game over), and Natural Order . Maybe, Triumph of the Hordes if you have a large board. Once you have some of those pieces, you can start working on your mana base. If you cannot afford a Gaea's Cradle , then definitely go with Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip (not as fast as the cradle, but since you are running a token deck, it should flip the turn you cast it). Fetches are always nice, so anything that can fetch for a forest or plains will come in handy. I would also add Temple Garden , Razorverge Thicket , Canopy Vista , Wooded Bastion , and Bountiful Promenade . Other cards that will tutor things are Green Sun's Zenith and Chord of Calling . Overall the deck looks good!
4 weeks ago
Asyriel: please cite a source that the rule was changed because kids were "butthurt". if the rule went back to "one on the battlefield" like you wanted, that was actually the worst of all the old rulings. back then, if player 1 controlled a legend, all copies of that legend in player 2's hand are essentially dead cards. if player 2 resolved the same legend, it would immediately be sent to the graveyard (does not die). this was a huge advantage for whoever lucked into their legend first.
as for your statement of "when the other player brought out the same card and their's died", that was the second version of the rule, where BOTH legends were sent to the graveyard (they don't "die"). so i can't really imagine anyone getting "butthurt" about their opponent using what essentially equates to an expensive removal spell, since most legendary creatures are 3+ mana.
have you ever "actually" seen a 3 person free for all where everyone actually gets out an Avacyn, Angel of Hope simultaneously? i seriously doubt it. the simple answer is to run removal that doesn't destroy. if the players don't have that, thats their own fault, not the legendary rules fault.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
GW (Selesnya): 0.78%
RBW (Mardu): 0.44%