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Spine of Ish Sah
When Spine of Ish Sah enters the battlefield, destroy target permanent.
When Spine of Ish Sah is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Spine of Ish Sah to its owner's hand.
Icbrgr on EDH: Saheeli's Mana Rocks You
1 week ago
@seshiro_of_the_orochi I have your deck a look over and I sure did see a few cards in your list that I really want! I particularly liked your suggestions of Scarecrone and Dragonspark Reactor they seemed neat!
@scotchtapedsleeves Yeah the mana curve and mana base are two fundamentals thats im totally lost on (because I've only played a handful of EDH)... something feels wrong about a high number of basic lands; but I need a lot of mana for may gameplan so cycling lands seemed like a neat thought for a built in land drop if needed or just use mana rocks to filter through the deck....My other EDH deck is Gavi, Nest Warden so maybe its just habit or I just brainwashed myself into thinking that cycle lands are good lol.... as far as curve goes... yup not a clue really... granted I have a lot of ramp/rocks so I figured Spine of Ish Sah/Duplicant would be removal/interaction that would aid with artifact count for saheeli but maybe more efficient spells like Pongify would be better?...Myr Battlesphere is kinda the same thought and its more about paying for 5 additional artifacts than a beatstick.... and as far as the other saheeli planswalkers go its just %100 me fangirling for her lol... the -2 abilities to make copies seems neat but its mostly just me cramming them in here lol
Thank you both for the advice/input... im gonna work with the list and pick up a few singles like Izzet Signet/Scarecrone... If either of you have any additional thoughts/suggestions please say so its very appreciated so thanks!
scotchtapedsleeves on EDH: Saheeli's Mana Rocks You
1 week ago
Coming from the Advertise your Deck forum.
I like the ideas you've thrown in with for the upgraded precon, but your mana base could use some work. I'd cut lands down to 35-36 and replace a few of your slower rocks (eg. Magnifying Glass, Unstable Obelisk) with an Izzet Signet, Darksteel Ingot or Honor-Worn Shaku. Remember, you're not just playing colourless spells!
Additionally, your mana curve is a bit out of wack. Throwing expensive cards in your deck looks fun, but it won't play well unless you have consistent ramp. Spine of Ish Sah doesn't seem to be doing much unless you have a combo in mind. I don't love Planar Bridge. Myr Battlesphere doesn't have much use unless you add more Myrs (speaking of, Palladium Myr, Silver Myr, Alloy Myr).
You don't have much card draw, I'd add Brainstorm, Fabricate, and Ponder.
I'm also not a huge fan of the 4 planeswalkers, those slots could probably be better used with more artifact generation or counterspells.
Hope this helped!
Headers13 on Marvelous Megatron
3 months ago
milohenry13 on Lucky 13
3 months ago
Yeah, its biggest strength is definitely card advantage. I like to build my decks without most fast mana, sadly this deck has a sol ring, but oh well. With that said, an early engine piece in this deck that lets it start generating value early turn 2 or 3 is great.
The combos mostly revolve around reducing life totals. Sometimes rare, but against life gain decks it shines because it can make players life total a number, instead of merely doing damage or draining life. Hitting a Necropotence into a Repay in Kind and having a Leechridden Swamp out is awesome, which ironically was the first win it got at my local pub game, and a win con I hadn't even thought about until I saw it in my hand.
The deck was built to sit around and create value, while draining life, until I can go for a Triskaidekaphobia + Tree of Perdition. But Tree also works with Sorin the Mirthless but rare that could happen, but it totally could, especially if Sorin gets out there turn 2.
The creatures have some swinging power, clearly especially, Phyrexian Obliterator.
I hear everyone's critique on Sever the Bloodline. I want to point out, it is only 4 mana, and I can play it twice, it has great utility because of the token removal, people do not expect it at all, and exiles in stead of destroys, which I love. I don't mind the sorcery speed. This deck can generate so much card advantage that if I have to pitch it, it's still available from the yard, and it can sit in my hand until I need it because my hand size is usually 7+.
However, Spine of Ish Sah is excellent in my deck because of Keskit, the Flesh Sculptor's ability. It's "creature or artifact" so I can just keep recurring the Spine, and drawing.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Rule 0 - Urza and …
4 months ago
Are you asking for just self-recurring artifacts or artifact recursion in general because and are very good at the latter. For the former, your options are a little limited without . I'd look at artifacts with "unearth", or artifacts like Spine of Ish Sah, Scrap Trawler or Myr Retriever. If you want more general artifact recursion then I'd recommend Daretti, Scrap Savant, Goblin Engineer, Scrap Mastery, Trading Post, and Trash for Treasure. Most of these can be safely played at the precon power level. Some recursion effects that are on the stronger end are Goblin Welder, Portal to Phyrexia, Emry, Lurker of the Loch, and Academy Ruins. These are stronger in my opinion because of their efficiency, repeatability, and they possess fewer constraints.
As far as "how to build a precon level deck" goes, I wouldn't worry about purposely nerfing the deck per say, but maybe asking yourself "could a precon handle the synergies, resiliency, and value engines that my deck creates?". Ultimately though, I think the best advice I can give is to build the deck that you want to build, and that you think is precon level. Then play it against some precons. That will give you the best feel for where you deck is at and if you need to add or remove things.
multimedia on Breya Budget EDH
4 months ago
Hey, well done version on a budget.
If you like Thopters and want to make your deck more competitive then consider adding the budget Sword + Foundry combo? Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry creates Thopters equal to the amount of mana you have available. Foundry sacs Sword, moving Sword to graveyard, Foundry creates a 1/1 Thopter which then returns Sword to the battlefield attached to the Thopter and repeat. Even without Foundry, Sword is a good artifact with Breya for sac fodder because it can return to the battlefield.
- Sword of the Meek --> Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
- Thopter Foundry --> Master Trinketeer
If you add Ashnod's Altar to Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry then it's a combo to create infinite Thopters. Create infinite Thopters on an opponent's turn and then attack with them on your next turn to win or attack with them you're same turn with Thopter Engineer. Each time you sac a Thopter with Altar you make enough mana to activate Foundry twice. One Thopter is saced to make colorless mana and the other isn't, results in creating infinite Thopters and infinite colorless mana. Altar was just reprinted in the latest set Brothers War (BRO), Retro Artifacts version (BRR), it's down to $5.
Breya and her Thopters can be a wincon with Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle combo. Because Breya can sac herself to do 3 damage to a player then this can enable Deathmantle to repeatedly return her to the battlefield resulting in doing infinite damage to each opponent, 3 damage at a time. Altar sacs a Thopter + Breya which makes 4 mana and when Breya dies it triggers Deathmantle. Pay the 4 to return Breya to the battlefield and repeat. It's great for synergy that all these combo pieces are artifacts making it much easier to assemble them.
- Ashnod's Altar --> Master of Etherium
- Nim Deathmantle --> Tezzeret the Schemer
Wishclaw Talisman is busted with Breya because it's an artifact, she can sac it along with any other artifact before an opponent gains control of it. When you activate Wishclaw that puts the entire effect on the stack. In response to this, activate Breya and sac Wishclaw. When you resolve the Wishclaw trigger you search for your card, put it into your hand and since Wishclaw is no longer on the battlefield then an opponent doesn't gain control of it, it instead is in your graveyard to be recurred. Wishclaw is great with Emry, Lurker of the Loch and Goblin Welder for a repeatable tutor.
- Wishclaw Talisman --> Treasure Keeper
I see Unwinding Clock here which is good with Master Transmuter because it's an artifact and it taps for it's ability. Transmuter has a unique powerful effect because of the way it's worded, it doesn't target, you can return the same artifact you bounce to your hand right back to the battlefield. With Clock + Breya you can create two Thopters on each player's turn equal to the number of players. Transmuter is also great to cheat high CMC artifacts onto the battlefield by bouncing any artifact you control. Especially high CMC artifacts if they have an ETB ability such as Myr Battlesphere to keep creating Myrs, Spine of Ish Sah to keep destroying opponent permanents, Thought Monitor for repeatable draw, etc.
- Master Transmuter --> Alela, Artful Provocateur
- Thought Monitor --> Sphinx Summoner
Making some land changes within your budget can make your deck more competitive by cutting some lands that always ETB tapped for lands that don't. The Pain lands and other lands like them are excellent budget lands especially when your Commander can gain life. They ETB untapped to make colorless mana or you take 1 damage to make a colored mana. The Pains have been reprinted in the last two Standard sets making them the least expensive right now. You can also start to find some Pain lands in new Commander precons which is a welcomed manabase upgrade.
- Spire of Industry --> Evolving Wilds
- Underground River --> Dimir Aqueduct
- Shivan Reef --> Terramorphic Expanse
- Adarkar Wastes --> Azorius Chancery
- Caves of Koilos --> Temple of Deceit
- Battlefield Forge --> Boros Garrison
- Sulfurous Springs --> Rakdos Carnarium
Good luck with your deck.
Triton on Jhoira Artifacts
5 months ago
To make the most of your commander's ability I'd recommend some untappers, perhaps Kelpie Guide or Vizier of Tumbling Sands. Some Proliferate like Tezzeret's Gambit would be very nice as well to boost those counters. Voltaic Key and the spendier Thousand-Year Elixir.
For board wipes, I'd recommend my pet card Chain Reaction. You can cut Cancel, Outnumber, Unsummon, and Hands of Binding for removal that hits more. Stoic Rebuttal is a counterspell that suits your theme well! Meteorite can be cut for Spine of Ish Sah, it hits more and is recurrable. Contagion Engine is insane value with planeswalkers and your commander.
Hope this helps! I didn't pay too much attention to the newest Jhoira, but she looks like a lot of fun! Enjoy your games with her! :)
TheOfficialCreator on Azusa, lost but seeking
5 months ago
Spine of Ish Sah --> Desert Twister
Harmonize also seems like a good addition.
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