Spine of Ish Sah
When Spine of Ish Sah enters the battlefield, destroy target permanent.
When Spine of Ish Sah is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Spine of Ish Sah to its owner's hand.
|Want (3)||plibt , weebshanama , bCubed|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Spine of Ish Sah occurrence in decks from the last year
Spine of Ish Sah Discussion
2 days ago
X-Factor11105 I've actually been seriously considering Kolaghan's Command lately, but I dunno if I'd remove Bedevil for it (Bedevil is just so so good). Dragonspeaker Shaman was in here for a while a long time ago, but I swapped him out for Dragonlord's Servant for the easier mana cost, then swapped the servant out for Nightscape Familiar because familiar applies to more of my cards. Cost reducers are only really worth it if you get their benefit multiple times in a turn, and I cast multiple red cards way more often than I cast multiple dragons.
Ugin, the Ineffable isn't quite as important as he used to be, but he's still good. Prior to Feed the Swarm being printed he was arguably the best targeted enchantment removal Rakdos had to offer (compared to stuff like Spine of Ish Sah and Scour from Existence). I wish he was at least one mana cheaper, but the removal+card advantage package he offers is still really nice
3 weeks ago
fantastic feedback MapPsycho thank you! You'll notice what I did this morning -- I removed Spine of Ish Sah and Armillary Sphere and returned Crashing Drawbridge and inserted Beast Within. You are so right -- I like the Spire card, but damn, it's 7 mana to cost. Like, as in one more than six! Not quite right when I have monsters chomping at the bit, waiting to be summoned.
I am going to enjoy looking at your builds later today. You seem to be an incredibly wise player.
3 weeks ago
Greetings snackelwolf! I think you've done a great job narrowing down your options. As for the combo, I think you have the right idea by removing it. It's a smart and solid combo, but like you said, those slots might be better served adding to your land gain and creatures. Dropping Crashing Drawbridge IS a bit of a bummer, but it makes sense overall. My suggestions on what to remove would be Armillary Sphere for Yavimaya Elder as it accomplishes pretty much the same goal but with potential card draw. Even under the worst circumstance you still get your lands without having to tap for extra mana. Second, Ram Through is very useful because it's essentially creature spot-removal if you've got a heavy-hitter out plus a permanent power boost and potential direct damage for just 2 mana. I would consider dropping either Wild Growth or Spine of Ish Sah. Both are excellent choices, with Wild Growth always being a solid turn 1 card. And Spine of Ish Sah being a powerful late game weapon. My arguments against them would be that one is useful in the early game, and not so much mid to late game. You're running a healthy amount of lands for Azusa(which is great)but you've got a ton of ramp as well which may minimize the effect of it's absence. And the second being great mid to late game, but unplayable in early game due to the higher cmc. With Azusa, you don't have to worry about waiting until turn seven to cast it, but you're going to be spending a lot of mana to use and reuse it. Depending on the circumstances, Running something like Beast Within would be a solid play early, mid, and late game due to it's lower cost. These are just my thoughts and opinions, the deck looks great as-is. Your opinions may differ, especially with you having experience actually playing it.
All the best!
1 month ago
Thank you so much for sharing this amazing deck Apollo_Paladin! You've convinced me to buy into Legacy so that I can play with one of my friends who is also building a deck. I love the budget focus and the fun interactions I've seen playtesting a few hands.
I haven't played it yet, so what I'm about to ask is just based on my speculation. Would love to hear your thoughts though!
To that end, I was wondering specifically if you have considered Nevinyrral's Disk or Spine of Ish Sah or Scour from Existence or similar cards to respond to Grafdigger's Cage and Leyline of the Void. Would any of those cards or others be worth bringing in from the sideboard in the event of running into graveyard hate? Alternatively, perhaps Duress could provide some protection?
Thanks so much for the informative guide and your hard work on the deck! I can't wait until it comes.
2 months ago
I'm not convinced that Spine of Ish Sah does the trick well enough.
Have you considered Helm of the Host to steal from multiple opponents in the same combat (or the same combat multiple times)? Sakashima of a Thousand Faces or Spark Double can do this as well. I'm not a huge fan of Sinister Sabotage or Arcane Denial here, honestly.
Hope this helps!
3 months ago
Thanks for all the help MagicMarc. I have adjusted the deck to the way it is now. I am curious and open to more input. Thanks. I went for a mana ramp/destroy aspect. Master Transmuter+Spine of Ish Sah+Meteor Golem to return and play it over and over. Then an infinite mana loop with Basalt Monolith+Forsaken Monument.
3 months ago
You need to decide what you want the deck to do before you can start cutting cards. Without knowing your build goal, you will not be able to know where to cut.
What do you wan this deck to do? Examples/ideas:
Is this deck mainly aggro? then keep the big monsters and the ramp. Cut the little creatures that are not mana dorks or cost reduction.
Is this deck mid-range good stuff? then cut creatures until you get 14-18, And add interaction cards to stop or negate your opponent's plays.
Is this a combo deck of some kind? For example; Is it built around Icy Manipulator + Voltaic Key for it's control? then get rid of the other stuff that is not part of that game plan.
Or is it going to cheat stuff out with Amulet and bridge? Then get rid of the icys and keys and focus on cheating big fat bombs out early.
Is it a toolbox deck? then cut your bombs and strong cards to 1 copy each and add more tutors to the deck.
These are just a tiny sample of archetypes, I am just showing how you can decide what kind of deck this is. Once you do, a lot of the cuts may become obvious depending on what you want for the deck.
But there are some cuts you should do no matter what goal you have:
-3 Fabricate (You already have 4 tinkers and 2 tezzerets), -1 Black Vise (Without support for it only 1 copy of this is just an annoyance when it shows up in your hand or is in play), -1 Paradox Engine (This is a freaking amazing card but it does not do a lot for this particular deck) , -1 Winter Orb (Like vise, without support it is not that useful with 1 copy), -1 Colossus of Akros (You have better big bombs already), -4 Etched Champion (this is a vanilla 2/2 most of the time and is probably the worst creature in your list), -4 Ornithopter (These are okay with the other cards in your deck but you will ramp into big stuff so fast they are just not too useful), -4 Welding Jar (at the very least cut it down to 2 since it synergizes with Academy Ruins. But Academy Ruins, Tinker, and Tezzeret the Seeker do the same thing kind of as this already. Id cut all of them to the maybeboard and see how it plays).
In a vacuum, none of these cards are bad by themselves. But none of these cards help you reach your goals for the deck. And only having 1 of something has a very low chance of seeing play. So if it does see play, it needs to do big things for you.
For your lands, they are another resource for the deck. So I would suggest filling in your land base with support cards. Stuff like;
+3 Buried Ruin (if you dont want to get more academy ruins), +2 Rogue's Passage (they don't hurt and can let you win off the back of one of your big creatures), +2 Arch of Orazca (really, slots of any land that gives card advantage), +5 more Islands or so, whatever gets you to 20-22 lands. If you dont want any of the other non-island cards, just add islands.
Your deck has very little interaction and I would suggest adding some to the deck. There are hundreds of options but I would look to add stuff that is similar to any of the following cards:
Spine of Ish Sah, Unstable Obelisk, or Meteor Golem. These cards synergize with academy ruins and buried ruin and can be Tinker targets when you need them. Just 1 or 2 copies of cards like these in the deck you can tutor for. Once you bring one of them online, you can keep bringing them back repeatedly to destroy your opponent's game state.
Then you need instant speed answers you can use to respond to what your opponent's do. Interaction is important and you will lose games just because you didnt have a Disenchant in your hand. Add copies of stuff like Scour from Existence, Titan's Presence, Not of This World or even repeatable stuff like Capsize or similar.
I am not saying you have to do any of the things I suggested. But you do need to decide what you want to do with the deck, cut cards, and add land and add interaction to the deck or it may just stay a hot mess like it is now.
4 months ago
Hey, what's too strong for your playgroup? You specifically mentioned your playgroup in the description which I didn't see before I first commented. Trying to get an idea of how upgraded you want to make your deck.
You're playing casual, but how casual? Is Whir of Invention and Reshape too powerful? Since they're tutors that cheat the artifact onto the battlefield. What about Treasure Mage? It's also a tutor to get a big artifact into your hand.
Would Spine of Ish Sah or Phyrexian Metamorph + Master Transmuter interaction be too powerful? It is a combo, but you can only do it once on your turn unless you also have Unwinding Clock on the battlefield. Maybe Transmuter itself is too powerful? Please give me a better idea of what your playgroup is like before I continue with advice :)