Brisela, Voice of Nightmares
Legendary Creature — Eldrazi Angel
Flying, first strike, vigilance, lifelink
Your opponent can't cast spells with converted mana cost/mana value 3 or less.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Brisela, Voice of Nightmares Discussion
1 week ago
7 months ago
As for protection someone said Avacyn already but there's also Bruna, the Fading Light and Gisela, the Broken Blade so you can have Brisela, Voice of Nightmares . As well as Gaddock Teeg , Shalai, Voice of Plenty and Akroma's Memorial .
7 months ago
Haha you are a tough one. Bishop of Wings is indeed probably best in slot for an Angels deck. But in this case here i have simply not enough Angels that would justify playing it. If there is a 3 drop Angel with ETB removal, i will definitely consider it.
Divine Visitation is indeed an Angel wincon but it is not the idea i was going for. So the base idea is to play big legendary Angels like Akroma, Angel of Wrath , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Iona, Shield of Emeria , Brisela, Voice of Nightmares (These are the devotion payoffs. You can add 1x Entreat the Angels if you feel like it). There is a tutor in place Thalia's Lancers to fetch the situational needed wincons. It is a lot more fun to play with different wincons and tutor effects during game than just token spam and pray.
10 months ago
Because they're vehicles, they can represent the left and right sides, the top half and bottom half, the attacking part and the defending part, etc. The head and the body. Some kind of duality around mechanical beings.
1 year ago
"the fragility of auras absolutely proves hexproof is necessary"
This only matters if you're trying to force auras. If you're primarily focusing on equipment, then it's not an issue.
"which in most cases will cost you about double the mana"
That totally depends on which equipment you're looking to run. The vast majority of good equipment top out at a cost of 3 and most of them then have a cheap equip cost in addition. Plus there are all sorts of "free" equip effects which you would be running in an equipment heavy deck.
"equips giving hexproof is nice, but you have to draw them"
That's what tutors are for - white gives the best equipment tutors in the game and blue can fetch artifacts.
"rafiq actually costs MORE when you inevitably have to cast him a second time"
This is only true if Rafiq dies and Uril doesn't. There are plenty of boardwipes which can easily do away with Uril. And unlike blue who can actually counter a bunch of removal, Uril gets left in the cold.
"having blue does NOT mean rafiq can keep tempo better than uril. not at all."
That's just, like, your opinion man :P Seriously though, you do need to provide something to back up this statement, otherwise it is just your opinion on it, so you can't tout it as fact.
"commander has more removal than modern. sure it's a singleton format, but you also have multiple opponents."
Yes, but that removal is split across 4 players, each focusing on a myriad of different threats and not just aimed at you. At the end of the day, why would I waste removal on a voltron commander if it's attacking one of my opponents? In modern, the amount of removal is still high, however it is a lot more targetted since it's a 1v1 format. And while not every deck runs removal, it's only the fast ones that do that. Most midrange decks will out-removal their commander counterparts, especially if you scale the card count to 100.
"having constant access to a commander doesn't actually change the plan either, it simply ensures you don't have to rely on luck to get that hexproof creature."
It very much does change the build of the deck. Knowing that you have 100% access to your commander (hexproof or not) will drastically change what cards the deck needs to run - you don't need to run threats (in the form of creatures), you can instead run a bunch of buff effects and protection effects in their place. Bogles has to draw one of the creatures and then start enchanting from there. Voltron does not have this problem. Bogles MUST get one of the one CMC creatures down turn 1, because otherwise the deck will start to stuggle due to all of the hand hate and counterspells. Volton doesn't have this problem. Sure, your commander could get killed or countered but you don't lose access to it. In Bogles, you might get a single creature and some buff effects in your opening hand. But if your creature gets turn 1 Thoughtseize'd then you're at the mercy of your deck until you can draw another one.
"the 2 extra power per enchantment goes a long way toward racking up commander damage that rafiq simply cannot match."
This assumption implies that you're using external buff effects on Uril. So sure, an aura covered Uril will do more damage than a Rafig by himself, however I already pointed out that becuase Rafiq doesn't care about what you use on him, a Sigarda's Aid + Colossus Hammer with Rafiq (which costs a total of 2 mana) turns him into lethal damage on the board. And even commanders like Balan, Wandering Knight can take advantage of this - hell, you only need the hammer in Balan's case. Chuck in an O-Naginata and you're golden.
"rafiq also does not "innately" have double strike. it can "gain" double strike IF it attacks alone, but that is not the same as having it innately."
I'll happily concede this one. Innately was the wrong choice of words. However The point that Rafiq can get double-strike without requiring an external source is not something to be overlooked.
"oh and if you look up commander voltron on the mtg wiki, uril tops the list. rafiq is not on the list at all. neither is godo."
If you're going to refer to some list, you should probably link it: MTG Wiki Voltron List.
The list you referenced is in no way ranked, it's merely a cross section of "popular" voltron commanders. And Uril doesn't top the list, he's just first on it. this list also has Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Brisela, Voice of Nightmares on it. It's also completely community editable. I wouldn't be trying to use that list as any kind of discussion point.
At the end of the day, I don't think we are going to come to an agreement on this and while I think this conversation has provided some good points and counterpoints with regards to voltron in general, I think that if it keeps going much longer it will completely derail the original topic, which was about Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge as a voltron commander. I'm not fussed if you want to respond to my comments here (I don't want this to seem like I'm trying to get the last word in and then putting my foot down) however I'm not super keen about discussing this ad infinitum, especially since neither of us have changed our opinions.
Viera: I hope this has provided a bit more insight into some different opinions around voltron and what differnet people's priorities are when it comes to building a deck. Hopefully there is some good, more general knowledge that you can distill from it.
1 year ago
Request: The ability to have a visual for Brisela, Voice of Nightmares in playtest, and other cards with meld. I was thinking you could put it on the menu that shows up when you click and hold on a card.
1 year ago
Vulture of the Void
Devoid, Flying, Infect.
Sacrifice a colored creature you control. ~ gains annihilator 2 until end of turn. Activate this ability only once per turn.
Make a card that transforms, or two (or three) cards that meld together. This mechanic comes from Brisela, Voice of Nightmares and other Eldritch Moon cards