Sigarda, Host of Herons
Legendary Creature — Angel
Spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents.
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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Sigarda, Host of Herons Discussion
1 week ago
I might consider going flat out zombies for this list. mono White, mono blue Urza, green white, or bant tend to do tax lists a bit better. I get the reasoning with rooftop storm, but it isn't enough.
If you want to focus on Stax, maybe look into Urza, Lord High Artificer, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, Yasharn, Implacable Earth, Sigarda, Host of Herons, etc. All make great Stax commanders and have easier colors to work around the orb and tax effects (Opposition, Glare of Subdual, Seedborn Muse, Urza, Lord High Artificer, etc). Black can allow for reanimation for smokestack and the like white also has the potential along with plenty of ways to generate tokens.
You can do whatever you feel like, it is certainly your list, I just wanted to maybe offer the advice that this list is trying to do too much which keeps it from doing either of its game plans effectively. I speak from experience trying to make a Naya list that could be stompy and run tokens which didn't work well.
3 weeks ago
I see that you are thinking of adding cards that make your creatures indestructible which is useful for combat and potential board wipe spells, but I have a few suggestions that might have a little more utility. Ajani's Presence is ok, but you have to pay 3 mana for every target after the first. And regardless this wont protect anything from exile or sacrifice. Fight as One is similar but also only targets 2 creatures. Most of the instants in your maybe board do similar things. I think it might be a better idea to protect them from everything that a board wipe could do (sacrifice, deal X damage, destroy, and exile) and simply buff the creatures so you don't have to worry about losing them in fights. Akroma's Will will protect all of your creatures from everything (except for Eldrazi with Annihilator or colorless cards). Eerie Interlude blinks all of your creatures which also would protect them from literally anything. The only downside is that it targets them independently so if they have hexproof this doesn't work. Ghostway does the exact same thing but doesnt target so works around hexproof (and is really cool).Silence is a pretty cool card that completely just shuts down someone's turn. Sigarda, Host of Herons protects from forced sacrifice. Lastly, (and most pricey) Teferi's Protection also protects from literally everything.
I also notice you don't have much in the way of removal. Again, I think we can buff your creatures so that they don't need to worry about losing fights, but sometimes there are specific pesky creatures that you need to deal with. For that I'd recommend Urza's Ruinous Blast and Mangara of Corondor. The Wanderer is also really cool, has removal, and protects you from all noncombat damage like damage from Ruric Thar, the Unbowed for example, which is awesome. Aura Shards is also great in this deck for removing non creature problems.
These are those crowd buffs I've been talking about. You've already got Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite which is great. Day of Destiny is pretty cool and works really well with the theme of the deck. Hunting Grounds is AWESOME for increasing your board presence. Seedborn Muse is good for obvious reasons. God-Eternal Rhonas is also a good 1 turn crowd buff. Windbrisk Raptor and True Conviction aren't bad either. Saryth, the Viper's Fang both makes your creatures 1 touch killers but also protect the ones you aren't swinging with. Avacyn, Angel of Hope is pricey but also incredibly strong for a deck like this.
There are a few Selesnya cards that just absolutely shut down other colors. I might recommend these if you can find room for them: Yasharn, Implacable Earth, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker is awesome and discourages people from attacking you, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is absolutely brutal and will shut down everyone else's board if not dealt with immediately. Lastly, Linvala, Keeper of Silence will keep a lot at bay.
Lastly, I have a few land suggestions. First of all, why not Sol Ring and Command Tower? Sunpetal Grove and Temple of Plenty are good dual land that can help early game get you the right mana. Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper is a really cool land that isn't that useful in most decks but is great for this one; same goes for the less useful but still cool Eiganjo Castle. Emeria, The Sky Ruin is pretty useful later in the game if you have enough planes; not so good early game. Tyrite Sanctum is another unique land made just for legendary creatures. Hall of the Bandit Lord is expensive but good in almost any creature based deck. Hall of Heliod's Generosity can help you get back your enchantments; I don't think you had anything else to do that. Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth is a no brainer is basically any green/other color deck now. If you find yourself about to lose a creature just use Miren, the Moaning Well and sac it instead for some extra life. Kor Haven is a dope old school card with obvious utility. Last and far most expensive Yavimaya Hollow fits really well in this deck is incredibly useful especially for it to be a land (that's OP!) but that price tag hurts.
Hope this helped!
1 month ago
I'm prob looking to make it mostly a combo deck but I'm not sure.
I normally play with another 3 friends that play Sigarda, Host of Herons that I can't deal with except with Noxious Ghoul, a full ramp/eldrazy enourmous monsters and extra turns and the 3rd one just bought the new spirit precon that just came out.
I really struggle being competitive with the first 2 players and I think that only by going for game winning combos I can deal with them.
Looking for new ideas or cards to exchange on my deck.
Thx u all
3 months ago
Yeah after some thought and testing, I'm not going the crab route. I'm thinking of going with a mixed Martyr route. Sigarda, Host of Herons seems like a really good win con. I was also thinking maybe Sun Titan or Elspeth, Sun's Champion. Either way making this deck GW instead of Bant will significantly reduce the cost of the land base and make it run much better. Thanks everyone for their feedback and suggestions.
3 months ago
TL;DR: I want to make Turbo Fog better, but I'm not sure how.
I like the philosophy of Turbo Fog, and I've had some success with it in FNMs and casual tournaments. I'm trying to push it up into at least low-tier competitive, but I think it's gotten left pretty far behind. It hasn't really gotten any new toys recently to get it above casual tables.
Basically, Turbo Fog is a control deck that tries to avoid taking any damage by neutralizing the opponent's attacking creatures and avoiding or removing harmful spells. It's a similar line of thought to Lantern Control or prison decks.
Starting with the Fog part, there are a few ways to go. Spore Frog and Kami of False Hope are cheap creatures that are easily searched and recycled, but there aren't many other creature options. The old-school method is instants like Darkness and Ethereal Haze, but while they have more options, they don't have as many ways to search or recur them, with Isochron Scepter and Snapcaster Mage probably being the best. Finally, there are the enchantments and artifacts. Leyline of Sanctity takes care of a lot of the non-damaging effects, Ghostly Prison is good but offers a workaround, and Ensnaring Bridge needs a little too much dedicated support, in my experience. Turbo Fog isn't big on emptying its hand.
Next up is the Turbo. The traditional draw engines are Howling Mine and Phyrexian Arena, and Stormfist Crusader is a mixture of those two. The Royal Scions and Jace Beleren provide some Planeswalker support. Teferi, Hero of Dominaria does pretty much everything a Turbo Fog deck wants.
For removal, I generally look at all-purpose stuff, like Abrupt Decay, Assassin's Trophy, and Counterspell. The Fog effects provide pseudo-removal against attackers, so it's the utility creatures and other effects that pose problems. All the same, a good Supreme Verdict is always welcome. Engineered Explosives and Nevinyrral's Disk are other mass removal options.
Finally, and most importantly, the win condition. The three main approaches I've seen and/or tried are draw damage, semi-passive mill, and simply attacking with a big creature. For the draw damage, there's cards like Fevered Visions, Runeflare Trap, Fate Unraveler, basically anything that might see use in a Wheels EDH deck. Semi-passive mill comes from symmetrical drawing, while recycling cards through Blessed Respite or Elixir of Immortality. For big creatures, my headliners are Kefnet the Mindful and Sigarda, Host of Herons--5 power, evasive, and hard to kill. Honorable mention goes to Nexus of Fate, just to completely lock out the opponent.
I've poked through a lot of cards and tried a lot of variations, but I'm still not sure I'm not overlooking something. It's very color-heavy, but every color offers a unique option that's hard to replace in at least one category. I'm currently leaning toward or . Of course, it may just be unable to compete at a higher level with the tools it has now. What does Turbo Fog need to get into the competitive boards?
3 months ago
Can I suggest Sigarda, Host of Herons as a potential finisher? She's evasive, virtually immune to spot removal, and has decent stats to get the clock going. It's not as flashy as a Walking Ballista combo or crabmill, but she might be able to get the job done.
4 months ago
Katzmania Oh boy! better get out my checkbook! LOL. I do have a Land Tax, but it's in my Sigarda, Host of Herons deck, and I did already Add Damn to the deck but it looks like it's in the sideboard at the moment. I'll try and squeeze it into the main somehow. Some of the removal cards are there for flavor and extra Feather Fluff, like the new vs of Vindicate with the awesome Angel art on it now. And Doom Blade, same story. I could see how this may hurt my overall build sometimes, but I like the extra Flavor. As far as the other cards go, I do not have copies of them and will add them to my neverending wishlist! Thanks for the suggestions bud! I really appreciate it!
4 months ago
So to me, that means that:
I'd say the first 4 in that list are definite staples that need to stay. Revival / Revenge seems to do it's job well too. Everything else does its job, but doesn't have haste or has some minor downside, so there's potentially room for improvement.
Personally, my top choices of everything I'm going to throw out there is as follows:
I also see a lot of cards in here to counter control/removal. Have you considered a bigger hexproof/shroud creature, or something that's just uncounterable and a threat? There's also recursion, which Revival / Revenge does a pretty good job at, but some other options I can think of for that are Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Lurrus of the Dream-Den, Necropanther, Vesperlark or Nethroi, Apex of Death.
Also, I know you don't have red, but General Ferrous Rokiric seems like it would be a good consideration for that type of a slot. Hexproof agaianst most removal and it synergizes with all of the multicolored you have going on.
Better fits as far as colors go are Reaper of the Wilds, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Thrun, the Last Troll, Witchstalker, Carnage Tyrant, Loxodon Smiter or Dragonlord Dromoka. Some are wish targets while others aren't, figured i'd throw out anything that had potential though.
To me, a wish target has to either be low enough that you can cast it same turn, or big and strong enough that you can cast it next turn and it turns the game around/seals the deal.
I just think you have a lot of slots in the sideboard that accomplish the same basic thing and you might be able to get away with condensing it a bit more to give more versatility for broader answers like psuedo-board wipes, silver-bullets, etc.
So if all that rambling somehow allows you to free up maybe a slot or 2 and still cover everything you need to cover, then maybe you will have the space to consider a broader selection of counterplay instead of just furthering your own strategy.
There's also things like Vindicate that hit lands too, which could help with the tron match as well as covering basically everything.