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Legendary Creature — Human Archer
: Lady Caleria deals 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.
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Lady Caleria Discussion
5 months ago
Caleria, Pacifist Zealot
Legendary Planeswalker - Caleria
+1: Until your next upkeep, whenever a creature attacks, deal 1 damage to it.
-2: Create a create a 1/5 green and white Human Archer creature token with reach.
-12: You get an emblem with "Only the creature with greatest power may attack."
I'd like to see more planewalkers who defy conventional understandings of their colors, while being flavorful.
1 year ago
Had a meal, so there is a few things I need to unpack now, ugh.
cdkime I do agree with pretty much everything you said, my point was geared towards newer players, and I think a list like this might be misleading them in the thinking that Lady Caleria can never compete against a powerhouse like Zur the Enchanter no matter how much you try, otherwise, I like your idea for the structure of the list, but am concerned about how much effort would need to be put into it.
n0bunga Okay, that is fair, a few things I would like to unpack, this list is not made by one player, but in fact three, and it isn't gospel, but I only started commenting on this list because I wanted to talk about the list. I actually started talking about Karona, False God being tier five, almost a week ago, that is when I started commenting, and is how we are here. Your opinions on unrelated topics to the page, are of no concern to me, and I realize now you don't care about this list, and have opinions on all of cEDH, and not the particular page. I would suggest commenting elsewhere.
TranscendingAll I am glad we can agree on cdkime, and I believe there is a misunderstanding. Yes, the title of this list would imply it was solely speaking on the tiers of the generals, and I agree with everything you said in that regard, however I would like you to take a look at the description of the list, below is a direct quote under the "Tier Descriptio" Tab:
These decks are the most powerful decks in the format. The combo decks can go off on turns 3-5, the stax decks get a lock on turns 3-4, and hybrid decks get a disruption engine by turn 2-4. They will commonly be seen at competitive tables, and players should know how to combat them. They are resilient, pack protection and backup plans, and take dedicated hate to truly counter. Never underestimate these decks, as they are the strongest in the format.
Less powerful than the tier 1 decks, but still quite strong, these can definitely hold their own against tier 1 decks. They are usually a turn slower than tier 1 decks, or they have consistency problems.
This is the middle tier. They can't usually compete against tier 1 decks, but might do fine with tier 2 decks. They usually have "the Aggro Problem," or they are wildly inconsistent. Most of the "pubstomp" decks that dominate casual meta go in here. They may have a bad reputation, but that doesn't make them tier 1.
These decks are somewhat weak. They have trouble winning in competitive metas, but may do well in casual games. They need a very favorable meta and a very lucky hand to win against decks like Zur."
If you notice, every time, it specified decks, not generals, but decks, I believe you misunderstood that this list is not about ranking generals, but the decks that they pilot. Either that, or a lot of rewriting needs to be done in the description.
1 year ago
I've been following this conversation for a while and thought I might as well throw my thoughts into the ring.
I have always seen this list as serving two important functions. First, it provides new players an easy way to sort through the myriad legendary creatures and determine which ones they might want to play. Second, it provides an example deck for each Commander players are likely to play.
I want to elaborate some on these two points before going into my suggestion on how to resolve this current debate.
Regarding the first point:
The actual tier rankings are not important to experienced players. Anyone who has a knowledge of EDH knows Zur is a powerhouse due to his versatility and speed; Nekusar is strong and explosive, but so one dimensional as to be middling; and Lady Caleria is outclassed garbage. These are players who know their metagame and rivals, and really should be choosing a commander based on their own knowledge, not based upon this list.
While these are the players who should be debating and deciding the tier numbers, they are not the players who need the tier numbers. As such, whatever system is used for the actual ranking should be focused primarily on providing newer players the most helpful information possible.
Regarding the second point:
These decklists are useful to new and experienced players alike, and can be easily looked up in the main body of the thread's text. Not really much else to say here.
So, how would I structure this list:
I think the tier list itself is fine as-is. Is it perfect? No, but it provides a pretty decent guide for new players, without being complicated or intimidating. There's usually pretty good debate over what should go where, which helps keep things relatively reasonable.
I think the text of the thread could be reworked some to provide different deck lists to show the best deck for that commander, but also one or two other competitive lists. So, it might look like (just by way of example)
Zur - List used for ranking: Ad Nauseam
- Secondary List: Combo
- There should be a section that is "Top 5 for Each Playstyle." (I am avoiding "Archetype" since I have no interest in getting involved in that particular debate). Playstyles should be fairly broad--I'd probably use tribal; tokens; stax; control; spellslinging; large creatures; Voltron; reanimation; combo; lands matter; graveyard matters; and perhaps one or two more. The goal would be to have enough specificity that new players can find a commander they would enjoy playing, without going so narrow only one or two commanders can fit into the list.
2 years ago
Those are many creatures! Sisay is always a good choice but I'd say, try to cut down your creatures (for example, you don't need cards like Mirri, Cat Warrior or Lady Caleria, they're just not giving you any great advantage) and give it a bit more ramp spells (after all you're green, right?) and draw engines (cards like Elemental Bond or Sylvan Library are great). Also, your average CMC is quite high, try to make your deck more capable of producing a decent amount of mana. Mirrari's Wake would be a good addition. Azusa, Lost but Seeking could speed up your game, as well as different mana stones or mana dorks like Birds of Paradise. You need some removal like Mangara of Corondor, Path to Exile, Beast Within or Swords to Plowshares. Don't forget that you want to protect your commander, so Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots are good additions, too. Hope I could help! Keep up your work, your deck will definitely take shape! :)
3 years ago
These are all the Azorius commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Ayesha Tanaka, Gosta Dirk, Hunding Gjornersen, Ith, High Arcanist, Jedit Ojanen, Kasimir the Lone Wolf, and Tobias Andrion.
These are all the Selesnya commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Daughter of Autumn, Gabriel Angelfire, Jasmine Boreal, Kei Takahashi, Lady Caleria, Lord Magnus, Sir Shandlar of Eberyn, and Torsten Von Ursus.
These are all the Orzhov commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Selenia, Dark Angel.
These are all the Boros commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Munda, Ambush Leader.
These are all the Grixis commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Mishra, Artificer Prodigy.
These are all the Jund commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Bartel Runeaxe.
These are all the Naya commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Jacques le Vert.
These are all the Five-Colored commanders I could find that weren't in your list: Atogatog.
3 years ago
Can I run Lady Caleria as my general?
3 years ago
So I saw Raging_Squiggle's PDH deck, and I was immediately inspired. I'd just like to know all the regulations I need to know before I start building. I'll put all of the ones I've recieved in a panel below;
I'm planning on using Lady Caleria
Your commander can be any common or uncommon creature card, not just legendary ones.
Your 99 card main deck can only use commons- no mythics, rares or uncommons.
All other rules are the same as EDH
3 years ago
Almost got it in three hours, I'm only like 20 minutes late.
Assuming a 6 tier system:
To be moved from T5 to T6: (Rationale: french-vanilla, overcosted with no pay-off, or just vitually no effect on the game.)
Akuta, Born of Ash, Anthousa, Setessan Hero, Baron Sengir, Bartel Runeaxe, Boris Devilboon, Cho-Manno, Revolutionary, Arcades Sabboth, Atogatog, Chromium, Circu, Dimir Lobotomist, Cloudhoof Kirin, Commander Greven il-Vec, Crovax the Cursed, Dakkon Blackblade, Daughter of Autumn, Gabriel Angelfire, Gallowbraid, Gosta Dirk, Grandmother Sengir, Haakon, Stromgald Scourge, Halfdane, Hazduhr the Abbot, Hivis of the Scale, Huang Zhong, Shu General, Hunding Gjornersen, Ihsan's Shade, Irini Sengir, Ishi-Ishi, Akki Crackshot, Iwamori of the Open Fist, Jacques le Vert, Kei Takahashi, Kentaro, the Smiling Cat, Lady Caleria, Liu Bei, Lord of Shu, Livonya Silone, Lord Magnus, Ma Chao, Western Warrior, Marhault Elsdragon, Morinfen, Myojin of Cleansing Fire, Myojin of Life's Web, Orim, Samite Healer, Palladia-Mors, Pang Tong, "Young Phoenix", Pavel Maliki, Princess Lucrezia, Purraj of Urborg, Rashida Scalebane, Rashka the Slayer, Reveka, Wizard Savant, Riven Turnbull, Rohgahh of Kher Keep, Shimatsu the Bloodcloaked, Sima Yi, Wei Field Marshal, Soraya the Falconer, Spirit of the Night, Stangg, Taniwha, Tarox Bladewing, Telim'Tor, Tuknir Deathlock, Tuktuk the Explorer, Ur-Drago, Vaevictis Asmadi, Veldrane of Sengir, Xun Yu, Wei Advisor, Yukora, the Prisoner, Zhang Liao, Hero of Hefei, Zhao Zilong, Tiger General, Zhou Yu, Chief Commander, Zuberi, Golden Feather.
(I left out Ramirez DePietro because I just didn't have the heart to be the one to demote him. I mean, come on, he's a pirate. Pirates should get their own tier...)
Moved from T4 to T5: (Rationale: mediocre voltron stats w/ limited defensive or evasion abilities, effects that don't have a strong effect on the game.)
Arashi, the Sky Asunder, Adamaro, First to Desire, Alexi, Zephyr Mage, Atalya, Samite Master, Autumn Willow, Ayumi, the Last Visitor, Balthor the Stout, Bounteous Kirin, Cabal Patriarch, Cao Ren, Wei Commander, Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip, Commander Eesha, Daghatar the Adamant, Diaochan, Artful Beauty, Dong Zhou, the Tyrant, Eron the Relentless, Fumiko the Lowblood, Geist of Saint Traft, Gerrard Capashen, Ghost Council of Orzhova, He Who Hungers, Heidar, Rimewind Master, Higure, the Still Wind, Iizuka the Ruthless, Iname as One, Iname, Life Aspect, Isao, Enlightened Bushi, Infernal Kirin, Jareth, Leonine Titan, Jedit Ojanen of Efrava, Jiwari, the Earth Aflame, Kamahl, Pit Fighter, Karona, False God, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Kaysa, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, Kiyomaro, First to Stand, Kiku, Night's Flower, Kodama of the North Tree, Kumano, Master Yamabushi, Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, Kuon, Ogre Ascendant, Lady Evangela, Lady Sun, Latulla, Keldon Overseer, Linessa, Zephyr Mage, Llawan, Cephalid Empress, Lovisa Coldeyes, Masako the Humorless, Masumaro, First to Live, Munda, Ambush Leader, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens, Oriss, Samite Guardian, Pianna, Nomad Captain, Pharika, God of Affliction, Polukranos, World Eater, Radiant, Archangel, Ragnar, Rakdos the Defiler, Rayne, Academy Chancellor, Rorix Bladewing, Ruhan of the Fomori, Sensei Golden-Tail, Shauku, Endbringer, Shisato, Whispering Hunter, Silvos, Rogue Elemental, Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer, Sosuke, Son of Seshiro, Squee, Goblin Nabob, Starke of Rath, Sun Ce, Young Conquerer, Sunastian Falconer, Tahngarth, Talruum Hero, Tajic, Blade of the Legion, Takeno, Samurai General, Thriss, Nantuko Primus, Tymaret, the Murder King, Vhati il-Dal, Vorosh, the Hunter, Zhang Fei, Fierce Warrior, Zurgo Bellstriker.
Moved from T4 to T6: (Rationale: a combination of the last two. These guys really didn't belong in T4 in the first place.)
Guan Yu, Sainted Warrior, Hakim, Loreweaver, Hikari, Twilight Guardian, Kodama of the Center Tree, Kuro, Pitlord, Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon", Maga, Traitor to Mortals, Mannichi, the Fevered Dream, Meng Huo, Barbarian King, Nagao, Bound by Honor, Obzedat, Ghost Council, Patron of the Nezumi, Patron of the Kitsune, Tivadar of Thorn, Zhang He, Wei General, Zuo Ci, the Mocking Sage.
Moved from T3 to T4: (Rationale: Just basing this off of my experience with the commanders and the synergies available to them. Trying to split into Good Tier and Average Tier. Priorities for Good Tier: commanders that have built in methods of dodging removal and disruption (e.g. Thrun, the Last Troll), and commanders who's strategies quick swing the board out of proportion if left unchecked (e.g. Rakdos, Lord of Riots).)
Adun Oakenshield, Akroma, Angel of Fury, Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit, Angus Mackenzie, Anowon, the Ruin Sage, Athreos, God of Passage, Balthor the Defiled, Baru, Fist of Krosa, Borborygmos Enraged, Bosh, Iron Golem, Crovax, Ascendant Hero, Dragonlord Atarka, Dragonlord Dromoka, Dragonlord Silumgar, Dralnu, Lich Lord, Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, Erebos, God of the Dead, Ertai, Wizard Adept, Feldon of the Third Path, Gahiji, Honored One, Garza Zol, Plague Queen, Godo, Bandit Warlord, Heliod, God of the Sun, Homura, Human Ascendant, Iname, Death Aspect, Isperia, Supreme Judge, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Jenara, Asura of War, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Jolrael, Empress of Beasts, Jori En, Ruin Diver, Kaervek the Merciless, Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, Kaseto, Orochi Archmage, Keranos, God of Storms, Kodama of the South Tree, Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Kothophed, Soul Hoarder, Kozilek, the Great Distortion, Kresh the Bloodbraided, Lavinia of the Tenth, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero, Mangara of Corondor, Marrow-Gnawer, Mayael the Anima, Mirri the Cursed, Mogis, God of Slaughter, Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer, Nahiri, the Lithomancer, Nin, the Pain Artist, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius, Norin the Wary, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, Olivia Voldaren, Patron of the Akki, Patron of the Orochi, Pia and Kiran Nalaar, Radha, Heir to Keld, Reki, the History of Kamigawa, Sapling of Colfenor, Skullbriar, the Walking Grave, Surrak Dragonclaw, Surrak, the Hunt Caller, Sygg, River Cutthroat, Tariel, Reckoner of Souls, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Thraximundar, Thromok the Insatiable, Toshiro Umezawa, Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Ulasht, the Hate Seed, Urabrask the Hidden, Varolz, the Scar-Striped, Vendilion Clique, Venser, Shaper Savant, Visara the Dreadful, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Xira Arien, Yasova Dragonclaw, Yeva, Nature's Herald, Yisan, the Wanderer Bard, Zada, Hedron Grinder, Zo-Zu the Punisher, Zurgo Helmsmasher.
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