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|Masters 25 (A25)||Uncommon|
|Battle for Zendikar (BFZ)||Rare|
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Zada, Hedron Grinder
Legendary Creature — Goblin Ally
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada, Hedron Grinder, copy that spell for each other creature you control that the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures.
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Zada, Hedron Grinder Discussion
1 day ago
@ecmmyers Thanks for the suggestions :). I started playing commander last year (due to the vampire deck <3 Edgar Markov) and I've heard of the tempt cycle, but wasn't familiar with Tempt with Reflections. I like Cackling Counterpart and Rite of Replication, which has been on and off my "to acquire" radar for awhile. However I'm not a fan of Precursor Golem. The 3/3 tokens do seem nice but can't be compared to the high-rolls I'm trying to achieve with the deck such as copied Doom Engine. If targeted with the mentioned above clone spells he's much better but as of now I think the card has much better home in something like a Zada, Hedron Grinder deck.
1 week ago
Gleeock Oooh I love the deck! Nature's Revolt seems pretty disgusting in this kind of build... I secretly love it. I also didn't know about the "hunted" cycle! Seems really interesting and it looks like it might be exactly what this deck needs. I can make my opponents attack every turn, but when they have no creatures to attack with it doesn't really help anything. Also Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor looks even better now that I take another look at her; I'll have to consider her for this deck too.
As far as redirect spells are concerned, I'm not sure what I would use them on! There's nothing really that this deck plays that needs to be protected from targeted removal except from Xantcha herself and maybe a couple huge enchantments like Havoc Festival. I LOVE the redirect spells in my Zada, Hedron Grinder deck because they effectively work as counterspells for my opponents' counterspells, but not sure how they would really help in this deck. Can you explain a little further?
scumbling1 Thanks for showing interest!! It's still a little too early to tell what's good and what's not but I was able to play two games with her using a proxy for the commander (because my cards finally arrived a couple days ago!) and I'll give you my first impressions below before I give a "formal" update after I get to jam a few more games.
First game I played went pretty horribly. Got mana screwed but I think that was moreso bad shuffling and WAY too greedy of a keep (2 lands and a Star Compass). I was only able to get a Spellshock and Xantcha to stick in the early game. Xantcha was great because I was able to use her activated ability to try and draw myself into lands, but I had to go about 4-5 cards deep before I even found another land. By the time I was able to play Painful Quandary my opponent combo'd off and took out the table. The deck ran 9 mana rocks and 35 mana producing lands (excluding Glacial Chasm and Maze of Ith at the time, which I felt was plenty. I added Thaumatic Compass Flip to help consistently get land drops and change into a functional Maze of Ith for the late game, but might also replace one or two of the weaker mana rocks with a 36th/37th land for more early game consistency. I'd want to play a few more games though since this was a greedy keep and the first game I've played.
Second game was MUCH better. My opening hand was 3 lands, Sol Ring, Last One Standing, War's Toll, and Manabarbs. Thanks to the early ramp I was able to get Xantcha and my damage dealers online much quicker. I drew into Eidolon of the Great Revel (which didn't really do much damage that game), Furnace of Rath, Spellshock, and Exsanguinate. Unfortunately, we made a ruling mistake that allowed me to do much more damage than I was supposed to. We didn't know that War's Toll's trigger doesn't draw the mana from your lands when you tap them. Because of that, Manabarbs ended up dealing about twice the amount of damage it was supposed to. With that all being said, I was able to play Furnace of Rath, have it survive a turn around the table, and then Exsanguinate (where x=7) for 14 damage and gain 52 life. Then for the remaining player, I cast Mob Rule to take the majority of their blockers and knock them out of the game. Even though there was the ruling error that caused me to deal more damage than I was supposed to, the deck was still sitting in a prominent position and probably would have won regardless. The only complaint I had with the second game was that it took until ~turn 4 before I felt like I was really impacting the game. I wish there were more cards like Harsh Mentor, Eidolon of the Great Revel, or Pyrostatic Pillar that I could replace some of the top-end cards with. I really wanted to order Polluted Bonds for the deck for the constant damage and lifegain, but considering the curve of this deck I think I'll hold off on it.
No more major changes slated until I get to play a couple more games with it! Like I said, would love to add more low cost cards.
4 weeks ago
TheBloopKing - I went over Beatdown in the win-cons!
starsky - Yo thanks man! I think every deck with the right combination of colors, ramp, card draw, interaction, and win-conditions can win against any other deck, or at least compete!
TheBloopKing - Plenty of the cards you mentioned are not competitive. The idea behind card draw isn't I want cards in my hand, it is I want answers to the board, or a way to win (obviously it depends on the situation and deck's strategy, but that is besides the point). If I go over many of the mentioned card Mentor of the Meek/Alms Collector work in many a stax builds, but Wall of Omens, Aura Blast, and PureSteel Paladin are much too weak to see play, white would rather a Spirit of the Labyrinth than them.
Harmonize is too slow, Explore isn't powerful enough outside of Tatyova, Benthic Druid, Soul's Majesty leads to blowouts where you have a suited up 16/16 commander or whatever, and it gets Swords to Plowsharesed and you lose the creature and the 5 mana and card on Soul's Majesty, Primordial Sage/Soul of the Harvest effects are good in Animar, Soul of Elements, but that's about it.
Red should generally only use tutors like Gamble, Imperial Recruiter, and wheels like Wheel of Fortune or Reforge the Soul. Bad cantrips like Expedite aren't powerful outside of a Zada, Hedron Grinder deck or something, most of those draw/discard effects are sub-par anyway. Scroll Rack, Sensei's Divining Top and other good colorless options are all they need.
Black has Ad Nauseam and every tutor they need to find it. Necropotence, Night's Whisper, and call it a day. Phyrexian Arena is pretty bad in comparison to Dark Confidant, and Underworld Connections is going to get you Strip Mined, and is just generally worse than the arena. Damnable Pact just isn't good, if you have enough mana to make it better than Ad Nauseam, run Torment of Hailfire and win the game.
Your multicolored options are pretty bad, if you are in abzan use black draw, blue draw is insane as is and so never needs Edric, Spymaster of Trest, as it gives opponents card draw, which is almost the worst thing to do. Spiteful Visions and Fevered Visions are for Nekusar, the Mindrazer and no one else, it tosses out cards like Oprah, and will stop you from winning any game you are trying to win.
Staff of Nin and Mind's Eye are generally too slow, even for colorless decks, and Howling Mine and Horn of Greed fall into the Oprah level of bad cards. They will kill you faster than anything else, unless you are Tatyova, Benthic Druid in which case I could argue for Howling Mine.
Outside of Blue or Black, use tutors in your color, Sensei's Divining Top, and Scroll Rack, tutors are the best way not to need card draw, but trying to run sub-par replacements for card draw never is the answer, it just makes your deck slow and clunky. Trust me, I have tried and failed.
1 month ago
Really like what you're doing here by repeatedly killing creatures and turning them into tokens. Also a big fan of Ogre Battledriver and Primal Forcemage effects, which I've used to great effect in many decks. Ghoulcaller Gisa is great to convert the pumped tokens into many pumped Zombies (even more so with Coat of Arms). Token doublers like Parallel Lives and Doubling Season also help, especially when you stack the token generation, e.g. Emrakul's Evangel into Descent of the Dragons turns each land into 4 Dragons. They also give infinite ETBs with Tooth and Claw which deals infinite damage with Pandemonium or makes infinite beasts with Fresh Meat or 2 token-doubling enchantments.
If animating lands is the main game plan, you might want a couple more land ramp spells like Skyshroud Claim and Harvest Season (which doubles your lands when you tap all your lands then animate them). World Shaper is great to bring back your lands, and also contributes to the creature count.
1 month ago
A really fun General Tazri Zada, Hedron Grinder deck that kills all our small tokens with Pongify and Rapid Hybridization for bigger tokens, or Polymorph them into Allies from the library to win with Hagra Diabolist. Lots of different ways to win, such as stealing everyone's Dragons with Descent of the Dragon and Willbreaker, one-sided wipe with Mercy Killing then Spawning Breath, infinite Wolves with Turntimber Ranger and Arcane Adaptation, Polymorphous Rush everything into Zulaport Cutthroat then sacrifice, or burning opponents to death with lots of copies of Fiery Gambit.
1 month ago
MoGoose831 Great suggestions, I'd certainly consider Kalastria Healer for redundancy, and Kor Entanglers as a form of evasion. And Polymorph targeting Zada, Hedron Grinder is exactly what this deck wants. Don't forget to hit the +1 button!
1empyrean Yeah I noticed the difference and made the switch from Mass Polymorph to Polymorph. Synthetic Destiny being able to dodge board wipes is pretty handy, so I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again for your comments!
1 month ago
Writing a comment on your deck Darkshadow327.
This is one of my weirdest decks so far, built for Emrakul's Evangel and Descent of the Dragons to transform a large army of small tokens into Eldrazi Horrors or Dragons. Radiate, Ink-Treader Nephilim, Mirrorwing Dragon, or Zada, Hedron Grinder allow Mercy Killing, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, and Beast Within to also transform all creatures, and add a lot of interesting interactions with targeted spells. With General Tazri as commander, we can reliably find Zada, Hedron Grinder, and Ally tribal synergies become viable, especially with mass recursion to trigger Allies' abilities simultaneously.
Looking for any general (no pun intended) feedback. Upvotes are greatly appreciated!