Zada, Hedron Grinder

Zada, Hedron Grinder

Legendary Creature — Goblin Ally

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada, Hedron Grinder, copy that spell for each other creature you control that the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures.

Zada, Hedron Grinder Discussion

Azdranax on Useful formulas for deck building

1 month ago

Interesting topic Ramble, I've been meaning to respond for the last day or two but have just been super busy, but let me provide a mana base formula I stumbled on a few years back after noticing a pattern in my deck building - might be something to try out and see if you find similar results, as I find it's very rare to get either flooded or mana screwed using this formula. I'll provide a couple of examples as well - more for the casual-competitive decks, as my cEDH decks don't always follow the formula as rigorously.

The basic formula for mana-producing lands is: Starting base of 30 mana-producing lands, plus additional lands equal to the CMC of your commander, plus additional lands equal to the average CMC of the deck, minus designated values for each mana rock, mana dork, mana spell and draw spell equal to or less than the CMC of the commander.

The first example is for my Zada, Hedron Grinder deck: Yada...Yada...Zada. In this case, the formula is 30 + 4CMC (commander) + 2.28 average CMC, or 36.28. I then subtract designated values for the following cards in the deck: -1.0 for Mana Crypt, -0.5 for Sol Ring (or any other 0 or 1 CMC rock), -0.25 for Thought Vessel (or any other 2 or 3 CMC rock), Battle Hymn, Brightstone Ritual, Traitorous Greed and Dockside Extortionist, and finally -0.10 for each of the draw spells in the deck: Accelerate, Boiling Blood, Crimson Wisps, Expedite, Fists of Flame, Stun and Renegade Tactics for a total reduction of 3.45 and a final value of 32.83 (rounded up to 33).

The second example includes a more aggressive reduction in mana-producing lands based on my Elf tribal Marwyn, the Nurturer deck: Elves Tap and Slap (Marwyn Tribal Counters). The formula here is 30 + 3CMC (commander) + 2.64 average CMC, or 35.64. I then subtract for the following cards: -0.50 for Sol Ring, -0.25 for Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, Gyre Sage, Incubation Druid, Llanowar Elves, Llanowar Visionary, Priest of Titania, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Viridian Joiner, Wood Elves, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Rhonas's Monument, Gaea's Touch and Growing Rites of Itlimoc  Flip. Finally, I subtract -0.10 for Elvish Visionary, Llanowar Visionary and Inspiring Call for a total reduction of 5.30 and a final value of 30.34 (rounded down to 30).

Although the reduction values could be considered a little arbitrary in certain deck concepts, this formula has held pretty accurate since I started keeping track of it. I hope you find this useful in the future, and happy brewing.

wolfsack on Thundercat Song Reference

1 month ago

We talked about it a bit earlier, but Leonin Warleader is a good include here. I think it's more threatening than Brimaz. I see Impact Tremors, so It would be intersting to kinda steer the deck in a token build. Docent of Perfection  Flip can help get the party started. There are also gobo spells you can cast daddy Vadrok, like Hordeling Outburst to help fuel your army.

One thing I noticed is that there aren't a whole lot of pump effects for a voltron subtheme commander outside of double strike type cards. Might be cool to add Brute Force, Infuriate, and low cost buff spells. If that style sounds cool you can add in Feather, the Redeemed for more ways to get your spells back and if you lean towards token theme adding Zada, Hedron Grinder will really scare the table!

As for potential cuts, I think Archipelagore can probably take a seat. High mana cost with a bit of a low effect. How often will you mutate ove 2 creatures. Fling seems a bit out of place. I can't imagine wanting to sacrifice a mutate pile.

Focusing on your commander's ability and bouncing to recast it will be much cheaper and have a greater impact in game. Blistercoil Weird, Kiln Fiend and Spellgorger Weird could also be some cool potential targets to mutate onto. Flood of Tears can clear the board and let you put down a mutate target.

jimmythebass on Kyle's Budget Feather

2 months ago

Some cards worth considering - I won't mention any cards that are more expensive for a paper copy than Aetherflux Reservoir since it seems to be the most expensive single in the deck:

*Boros Charm is amazing, since it can either give Feather double strike, save you from a non-exile boardwipe, or remove a planeswalker (or a player who's almost dead)

*Sunforger+Magnetic Theft is good in any Boros deck that runs a decent number of instants and is at its best with Feather being able to get Magnetic Theft back every turn (side note: according to edhrec, only 35% of Feather decks with Sunforger also run Magnetic Theft. Why the hell is this not 100%?)

*Seize the Day can potentially let you kill multiple opponents in one turn

*Bedlam guarantees Feather won't get blocked

*Chandra's Ignition is the best board wipe for Feather decks imo since she can easily get quite large and she recycles it

*Acrobatic Maneuver fizzles targeted removal, cantrips, and gets recycled (in general you want to be running as many recyclable cantrips as possible)

*Settle Beyond Reality is a recyclable removal spell that can potentially combo with the Dualcaster Mage that's already in your list to become a one-sided wipe

*Knight of the White Orchid and Solemn Simulacrum get you lands and are excellent targets for your blink spells if you don't need to use them as protection

*Zada, Hedron Grinder and Mirrorwing Dragon both at best make several copies of your cantrips, and at worst turn your pump one dude spells into pump your team spells

As for the manabase:

*With how cheap Command Tower is since it's printed in every single commander precon the only reason not to run it in any multicolor deck is if you forget it exists. There's a reason it's the single most played land in the format

*By the standards of dual lands that come in untapped if certain conditions are met, Inspiring Vantage and Clifftop Retreat are both relatively cheap

*Mistveil Plains is worth considering if you do get a Sunforger

Gidgetimer on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

2 months ago

Grip of Chaos, Possibility Storm, and Zada, Hedron Grinder will all trigger from the same event when you target Zada. No matter how you stack the triggers you will always get the copies from Zada's ability.

ThePoisonMuse on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

2 months ago

When you cast a spell that targets Zada, Hedron Grinder with Possibility Storm on the battlefield you can stack the triggers so that you get all the copies before Possibility Storm replaces it. Can I do something similar with Grip of Chaos? Like if I cast Crimson Wisps targeting Zada, Hedron Grinder would I still be able to draw all the cards?

NoSoyYucateco on Copy that, Copycat!

2 months ago

I don't think you have enough instant-speed stuff to justify Seedborn Muse. She's so strong though. Maybe if you added more mana sinks to help make use of her? Ant Queen-type effects, or Holistic Wisdom come to mind. (I LOVE Holistic Wisdom). Anything that you can dump all that mana into.

I feel the same way about Mirrorwing Dragon. You only have a few pieces that combo with it. On top of that, you can get the same effect with Zada, Hedron Grinder for less mana. I think it's a cool idea and could lead to some really explosive plays. I would just consider adding a few more pieces that can make use of it. Sublime Epiphany would be a good choice. Same with Heat Shimmer or Stolen Identity.

I think you can cut Darksteel Plate. It doesn't have much synergy with your deck, and it's very situational. Followed Footsteps is also pretty hard to get much value out of. Other than that, I think it's looking really tight, and it'll be hard to make more cuts (aside from maybe Clone Legion.)

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