Back:Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
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Liliana, Heretical Healer
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, exile Liliana, Heretical Healer, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control. If you do, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield.
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Liliana, Heretical Healer Discussion
2 days ago
_Delta_ you're right the spoiler from Guilds of Ravnica are just amazing. I will test sosme of them surely.
: thank you very much for all the suggestion, I really like 3 of them Ramunap Excavator, Nighthowler and Greater Good. I just need to figure out what to remove. For all the milling suggestion i not a really big fan of that kind of strategie. I know it's more like a alternate winning condition but I prefer a lethal with Nighthowler on Meren.
2 weeks ago
I'm trying to help my friend brew a deck using Gonti, Lord of Luxury.
Deck is meant to pick at opponents win conditions and either play them itself or put them off their game until our as yet to be decided win condition can be dropped.
B/W so far, so Lingering Souls is a solid call.
Looking to fill this out a bit with some other suggestions. Competitive options are best, as we would like to see this be a solid rogue deck at an fnm or local tournament.
If there is a better shell for Gonti than Rites, please don't hesitate to tell me I'm using the wrong shell.
Assuming a Rites shell, should there be a third color for better options, or just the two for more consistency?
Is Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip / Liliana, Defiant Necromancer Flip worth using here as addition recursion / value? I know she can't target Gonti, but working on the assumption that there will be other ETB creature targets.
2 weeks ago
Since you're already running Mikaeus, the Unhallowed I would recommend also running Triskelion as it is an instant win. While that is the case, you can always choose not to activate it if you're in a group that doesn't like infinite combos or playing a group that is substantially weaker. It is still nice to have a win button for atalled games or douchey players. :
I am quite fond of Greater Good with Meren, and it has served me very well. Altar of Dementia is another card that combos incredibly well. Since you are already running Dictate, you may also consider gravepact. Ramunap Excavator is a creature based Crucible of Worlds which makes it recurrable easily here and let's you grab even more value from your graveyard. If you aren't on a budget, Dark Depths combos incredibly well with Vampire Hexmage which you're already running. I just found Undercity Informer which is another self-mill card I am about to start testing in my own Meren list Super Sadistic Squirrels. Speaking of, I just added Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip to my list. Has she been working out well for you? She seems excellent, but I haven't gotten to test her yet. Have you considered Nighthowler as a large body that could also make Meren lethal? I've been running it since day one and it seems alright. I Also use Altar of Dementia though, so in my list it has a little more versatility. Honestly I am thinking of cutting it, but it may work better in your list if you need sizable creatures. My primary win conditions are two different infinite combos, so it's basically filler from an old list for me at this point. Enjoy the deck! Good luck!
2 weeks ago
Thanks zingzang, The birds of paradise, Elvish Mystic and Elves of Deep Shadow are there because not only are they really cheap they provide fodder so you can bring them back early on to sac them to gain experience counters, so you can grab massive things. But yeah- I see the argument for both your Yavimaya's but the rest require mana and this deck is more about ramping fast early and then gaining experience to be able to always out value your opponent because your creatures are never dying. The deck is also trying it's best to be budget but also viable, that's why there was no cards from your comment in the 6-drop part included- I wanted to but they were to high in price. I will be including Sepulchral Primordial and Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip- Birthing Pod is too high but I also wanted him. The deck doesn't need more card draw though Necropotence can be added if you want to. I will also be adding Altar of Dementia and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord. Writing this I then saw Fauna Shaman I will most definitely be adding that. With the budget Mikaeus, the Unhallowed was worth it to me.
3 weeks ago
I'm happy to see, that you like the best commander of all time, Meren ;-). Really like the addition of Apprentice Necromancer - gotta include him in my deck as well.
But there are some cards, that have no synergy with your commander and could easily be replaced. Creature ramp like Birds of Paradise, Elvish Mystic or Elves of Deep Shadow don't really do anything for your experience counters.
But with creatures like Yavimaya Granger, Burnished Hart, Dawntreader Elk or Yavimaya Elder you get ramp AND experience counters - this way you can loop your ramp creatures every round with Meren.
Your curve has a little breakdown at 6 - Mikaeus is your only 6-drop :(. Here are some creatures that work as a 6-drop in Meren: Kokusho, the Evening Star, Grave Titan, Bane of Progress, Massacre Wurm, Wurmcoil Engine.
Some other important signature cards for Meren include: Birthing Pod, Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, Sepulchral Primordial, Ashnod's Altar, Necropotence, Fauna Shaman, Vindictive Lich, Grave Pact and Altar of Dementia
1 month ago
I have 128 cards and trying to knock it down to 100, would like some help makes a good Zombie deck. Thank you for your time and help. Here are my cards
Commander - Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
1 month ago
Hi, welcome to modern, which is a faster format than you probably think.
You will get clobbered over the head by a 4/4 Hollow One by turn 2 on a regular basis. Having Lich's Caress as you removal spell of choice is then not very useful - the golem is just about done flattening you by the time you get to kill it. So... something much easier on the mana is needed. Fatal Push is the most popular, but for more budget-conscious deckbuilders, Victim of Night, Doom Blade, Hero's Downfall, and Go for the Throat are all possible alternatives (along with a bunch of other black removal spells - there are plenty to choose from).
You can also get removal with legs. Gatekeeper of Malakir is a decent enough card in a budget meta. Fleshbag Marauder is better if you are heavily into zombies (or other creatures), that can come back from the graveyard on their own.
Discard is more or less a necessity when playing black in modern. Thoughtseize is the better option, with Inquisition of Kozilek in the second place, and Duress as the very budget alternative. Don't bother discarding creatures out of your opponents hand with Despise - you're playing black, you'll have plenty of creature removal. You can get more powerful discard effects than these... but they also cost more mana. And the strength of 1-mana discard is that you trade your discard-card for the best card on your opponents opening hand, which you can't do the same extent with more mana-expensive cards. Also of note is Collective Brutality, both for the discard, but also because it can be used for set-up with your own graveyard. Technically speaking, Smallpox is also a discard spell - pretty strong, but takes a lot of set-up.
You can try to win on discard. Then you just have a look at an 8-rack deck somewhere, and try and make that. A card that sometimes shows up instead of expensive liliana, is Necrogen Mists. I guess you could use it in a budget monoblack control deck too - if you have a lot of recurring creatures. It could also be played with Howltooth Hollow (but that's not good if you want mana out of your Cabal Stronghold or if you can't get both players discarded to 0).
In terms of card draw, someone else already mentioned Phyrexian Arena and Dark Confidant (a.k.a. Bob). There are a bunch of bob look-a-likes too (all of which are much worse, though), and if you play in a budget meta, some of those might appeal to you. Personally, I like Asylum Visitor in my 8-rack deck, but I guess it would be good in any deck that tries to set the game into top-deck-mode.
Why all the different lilianas? Mostly, they aren't really good enough for modern, Liliana, the Last Hope being an exception (not good enough = too much mana for too little effect). Also, you've forgotten one of the better lillis: Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip.
1 month ago
It can transform, but depending on the specific cards involved you might not get the result you're going for.
As you said in your question, only double-faced cards can transform and a copy effect will overwrite whatever face is currently showing. This means if you turn Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip into a copy of Thing in the Ice Flip and transform it, the card itself will turn over to the Nicol Bolas, the Arisen side but will still be a Thing in the Ice Flip. If you remove Metamorphic Alteration then you have a problem: a planeswalker with no loyalty counters (because it didn't re-enter the battlefield), which will be put directly into the graveyard.
However, if you turn Bolas into a copy of Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip instead and trigger the ability, you follow the "exile and return transformed" instructions and get a planeswalker Bolas with the proper starting loyalty.