Back:Liliana, Defiant Necromancer
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|From the Vault: Transform (V17)||Mythic Rare|
|Magic Origins (ORI)||Mythic Rare|
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Liliana, Heretical Healer
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, exile Liliana, Heretical Healer, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control. If you do, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield.
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Liliana, Heretical Healer Discussion
1 day ago
Let's see if I've got your initial plan right.
Assuming Thousand-Year Elixir is on the battlefield, allowing you to activate creature abilities the turn they ETB.
Activate Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for some number of mana equal to the greatest power you have on the board (if with Muldrotha, that'd be 6). Or use Krosan Restorer to untap 1 or 3 lands (depending on if you have threshold), where at least one of those lands taps for more than 1 mana.
Activate Liliana, Defiant Necromancer 's -X ability, targeting your newly-dead mana creature. Here's the first hangup. The -X ability says "nonlegendary creature card," and Selvala is legendary, so she can't work in this interaction. So it has to be Restorer. This activation puts Liliana in the graveyard due to lack of loyalty.
Cast Animate Dead or Necromancy on a clone creature and have it copy Muldrotha, the Gravetide , forcing you to sacrifice one due to the legend rule. You keep the clone and send the original Muldrotha to the graveyard.
Using Muldrotha, the Gravetide 's ability, you cast Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip from the graveyard. Then you cast a second Animate Dead or Necromancy (because the first is still enchanting your Muldrotha clone), getting the original Muldrotha back from the graveyard, triggering the legend rule again, which flips Liliana again. You keep the original Muldrotha to "reset" the "one permanent of each type" restriction.
You -X Liliana to get Restorer back, putting Liliana back in the graveyard. Go to step 4, alternating Muldrotha and clone as necessary.
Am I reading this right?
In order for this to work, you can't use Selvala, Heart of the Wilds because it's legendary and Liliana, Defiant Necromancer specifically targets nonlegendary creature cards. For Krosan Restorer to be a good fit, you'll probably want to be at threshold (to hit three lands instead of one), and you'll want those lands to produce lots of mana, like the Gaea's Cradle and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun you mentioned later, with enough creatures to make it functional.
With so many moving parts, it runs the risk of being extremely easy to disrupt if your opponents have answers, but as far as I can see it functions aside from Selvala being a bad fit, assuming your lands are producing enough mana (and it should be mentioned that the aforementioned choice lands only produce green mana; you're going to need lots of black as well because Liliana and Animate/Necromancy is going to be alone, with a fourth if you have to cast both enchantments before you can get mana on the loop again.
1 day ago
Missed the threshold part of Krosan Restorer . Assuming it’s active throughout, your generate an initial , and repeating everything I said about, you’d have to pay a total of ( Animate Dead , Necromancy , Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip), resulting in still a deficit of mana.
1 day ago
I'm trying to create infinite mana with Muldrotha, the Gravetide + Ashnod's Altar + Thousand-Year Elixir / Lightning Greaves + Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip + Selvala, Heart of the Wilds / Krosan Restorer ( + Animate Dead / Necromancy and Clever Impersonator / Phyrexian Metamorph / Evil Twin in the graveyard)
How it works: Activate Selvala/Restorer's mana ability with the help of Greaves/Elixir, activate Altar targeting Selvala/Restorer (which causes Liliana to flip), activate Liliana targeting Selvala/Restorer, cast Animate/Necromancy targeting Impersonator/Metamorph (targeting Muldrotha, then keep the cloned Muldrotha), cast Liliana with Muldrotha, cast Animate/Necromancy with Muldrotha (targeting Muldrotha, keeping the real Muldrotha), repeat.
Does this work?
1 week ago
Happymaster19 i think 4 to 8 discard cards in main would be awesome in a monoB, anyway i think any of Liliana of the Veil , Liliana, the Last Hope , Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip and Liliana, Death's Majesty should fit in it
2 weeks ago
I would probably pick Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip for the first two.. for the third i'm a bit in trouble since i don't actually think there aren't legendary esper creatures involved in the story.. Not even dimir using Sorin Markov so it would be complicated ahahah.. this one could be good for an esper deck in modern and not in edh..
4 weeks ago
Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is something I experimented with, but in the end all I could ever really do was activate her +, which is pretty weak in this deck. But my meta is pretty hard on planeswalkers. Maybe yours is more lenient, idk.
Lord of Extinction is sorta just weak here. I mean it combos great with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , but how often are you going to christmas-dreamland into both of those two? And Nighthowler is kinda just a worse Lord of Extinction .
I have played Sheoldred, Whispering One before and, like all of the praetors, all she does is get you targeted to death- especially if you can recur her.
Deadbridge Chant 's randomness makes it pretty bad. You're aiming to have like 10 or 15 cards in your grave by the time you play this, it makes that number 25. 1 in 25 is not very good. Like the card is a decent value engine, but it's not likely to get you what you're looking for.
Suggestions for Adds:
Acidic Slime : flexible removal
Farhaven Elf : better ramp
Thragtusk : a BIG pillow to lie back against- five life and two blockers!
Treasure Keeper : good value
Veteran Explorer : never hurts to have the table on your side
Vindictive Lich : hits each opponent where it hurts
Wall of Blossoms : big-butt creature and a draw
Wurmcoil Engine : just insane
Hell's Caretaker : good recursion
Attrition : repeatable removal
Perilous Forays : repeatable ramp
Quagmire Druid : repeatable enchantment removal
Sadistic Hypnotist : repeatable hand hate
Thoughtpicker Witch : f.ck somebody's draws
Viscera Seer : free, instant-speed sac outlet, provides some card advantage
Vraska, Golgari Queen : + is great, - is great, and ult is insane
Deathreap Ritual : lots of draw
Shadows of the Past : so. many. scries.
Zulaport Cutthroat : pings opponents to death, gains life
1 month ago
Placed some updates to the deck. Switched out Vampire Sovereign for Lord of the Accursed . Alos removed one Sovereign's Bite . I plane to remove all of the rest pf the Sovereign's Bite for Gray Merchant of Asphodel . It may hurt my deck but i have to have my lady love Liliana in the deck. I will replace Liliana, Untouched By Death with Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip. I feel there is better synergy and i can still get the famous removal Liliana of the Veil is loved for, But the second ability of this one is better for a creature based beck like this. The ultimate is also amazing if one can manage to get it off. Looking to replace Dark Salvation i love it but i feel something like Duress , Despise , or Thoughtseize . Though i think it is good i have played a few rounds with friends and feel it is more a sideboard card as i was always playing a creature instead of Dark Salvation , or i would play something cheaper like Go for the Throat to cast other cards in my hand.
1 month ago
I enjoyed Shirei but wanted to test others. Athreos was...slightly annoying. Once my friends learned the trick he lost a lot of impact. Might revisit him in the future though.
Liliana, Heretical Healer occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.02%