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Liliana, Heretical Healer
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, exile Liliana, Heretical Healer, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control. If you do, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield.
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Liliana, Heretical Healer Discussion
1 week ago
Alpine: Well, now that I stop to think about it, it might be just fine! I've seen a lot of Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip EDH decks, and some like to use her "-X" ability a lot, so the lack of 3 CMC creatures to reanimate might be a problem.
Anyway, some cards still have to arrive so I can playtest the deck and see what happens. I'll update the deck with the results later!
2 weeks ago
99906x: Oh, it can be. You have to remember that this deck disincentivizes board wipes. People don't like casting board wipes if they know that one player is only going to lose one of their five creatures.
The truth is that it IS risky, but remember that it's suicide Grixis to begin with. A lot of times you can tell people that you're just attacking them to get them out of dethrone range and to protect your creature. That reduces the political ramifications of attacking. You can also declare the attack only to sacrifice creatures out of the way after dethrone triggers but before combat damage is dealt.
- Unspeakable Symbol
- Urabrask the Hidden
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Lightning Greaves
- Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip
- Phyrexian Revelation
- Modular creatures
These are all ways to protect creatures by getting them under their dethrone umbrella as quickly as possible or returning them after they're removed. Now, keep in mind that most of the "good creatures" impact the board upon death or entry, so playing and then sacrificing them out of the way still means you're getting value out of them. It's not like you tapped out for a Stormtide Leviathan only to have it just immediately blown up.
3 weeks ago
Thank you for your input pjeseb
Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip seems to fit pretty well with what the deck does but I don't really understand what Vraska the Unseen and Vraska, Relic Seeker have to offer in comparison to the threat the pose on the table.
The reason there are so many mana dorks is beacuse I've noticed that is Meren of Clan Nel Toth doesn't hit the table on turn three, she will not affect the game in a meaningful way. The rest, as you assesed, are more for combo pieces.
Mindslicer is really good, but it doesn't really hurt Daretti, Scrap Savant, Arcum Dagsson, Muzzio, Visionary Architect, or Zur the Enchanter. I feel like I would eliminating chances at table politics more than helping my own position.
3 weeks ago
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This Week's Commander/EDH deck is Indestructible Creature Slayer using The Scorpion God
Commander / EDH
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The premise of the Deck is to basically use the large support of discard/inflict -1/-1 counters on all creatures your opponents control, to basically kill absolutely anything that they could possibly play, and swinging with your powerful demons/gods/dragons or possibly any creatures THEY might have if you can get Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip Transformed and ulted.
3 weeks ago
I have a similar list that has done well for me. There are a few differences. I will list off the primary ones. By no means are they the best options for the deck, but they fit my play style a bit more at least; and I have found them to be worthy inclusions.
My list runs more copies of cards that prevent the -1/-1 counters from being placed on my persist creatures. Vizier of Remedies is probably the best card for this, but Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit, and Melira, Sylvok Outcast are also solid options. I think I run 5 of these effects mainboard.
My list runs more 3 drops. I completely understand the want to keep your creatures at 2cmc as it allows for Rally the Ancestors on 2 to be more explosive. I have found that I rarely have enough damage to combo off on turn 4. As such, I included more 3 drops to buy me some extra time. Kitchen Finks is prime for this as he blocks twice, gains life, synergizes exceptionally well with Melira-esque effects, and has enough power to trade with a fair number of creatures. I run 1 Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip as an excellent way to recur pieces; and I run 2 Grim Haruspex. They, combined with Viscera Seer's scry allows me to dig into more combo pieces (ideally another Rally the Ancestors). Another card that I have found a lot of success with is Mogis's Marauder. It allows for combat damage to be a viable strategy off of a Rally the Ancestors on your own turn. In my case, I utilize Bloodthrone Vampire as both a sac engine, and a win con. Target the bloodthrone vampire with the haste and intimidate, and you can easily swing for a lot of damage out of nowhere. If you do not want to use Bloodthrone Vampire, it also works with Voice of Resurgence. Sacrifice voice in response to the marauder trigger, get a beefy token, target the token, and then swing with it before you then sacrifice your board. I also run a 1 of Westvale Abbey Flip for similar reasons.
I will say that I like your inclusion of the Tidehollow Scullers. I really wanted to include them in my list, but just couldn't find the space.
4 weeks ago
Hi there, interesting take on Meren you have here. I also run Meren, here's my version in case you want to take a look: Until the Lambs Have Become Lions: Meren.
Suggestions that I think would interest you in particular are:
Spore Frog This one is almost mandatory in any Meren deck. Repeatable fog effects are very powerful, especially in a grindy midrange deck like Meren.
Or, if you really want to go anti-control, Mindslicer. This one isn't in my deck, but I've been thinking of adding it simply because I've noticed that going hell-bent doesn't hurt Meren nearly as much as most; for Meren, your graveyard is almost always a more valuable asset than your hand.
As far as what you should cut: probably some of the mana dorks and Thought Vessel? I count 16 ramp cards in your deck, which is twice as many as what I've been told is the ideal number (I run 10 myself though, YMMV). I know some of them, like Perilous Forays, are more like combo pieces than just cards to get extra mana, but most of your ramp cards don't seem to have much synergy with your deck; why run mana dorks when you'd be better off fetching more lands to get more Ob Nixilis, the Fallen triggers? Why run Thought Vessel over Sol Ring or Golgari Signet?
4 weeks ago
Play test update:
I had done my primary game testing against a good mono green elves combo deck. Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
Now I've had the chance against:
- Kess, Dissident Mage - Longer games but went 100%
- Krenko, Mob Boss - Won 2/2: but rather close the first one
- Animar, Soul of Elements - Won 3/4
- Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip - Roughly 80% win rate
Currently the biggest threats for this deck is lifegain and defenders of */4+
1 month ago
The deck itself is pretty good, but I can say I am a little disappointed that the description didn't include this song titled It's Alive, but not that disappointed as this musical is pretty old.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy5kuVUCuQg
Anyway, for cards, I'd consider Call to the Grave. It would be pretty good if you can fit it in. The only card you would have to worry about would be Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip and I wouldn't even be that worried as she doesn't take that long to flip. But that's just a suggestion. If you feel that it doesn't fit in the mana curve, then that's your choice.