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Legendary Creature — Vampire
: Olivia Voldaren deals 1 damage to another target creature. That creature becomes a vampire in addition to its other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on Olivia Valdaren.
: Gain control of target Vampire for as long as you control Olivia Voldaren.
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Olivia Voldaren Discussion
3 days ago
I can dig the cut, Zacharycollinsbobbobbob. Olivia Voldaren had a home in my Marchesa build at some point but I'm pretty sure she was cut pretty soon after construction. She's a great card but she's non-essential here.
4 days ago
More cuts, you say?
I'm not wildly keen on the amount of point-removal you're currently running. It's a little meta-dependent, but you're already running 7 vampires that can deal with opposing creatures, making the 10 instants and sorceries feel a bit extra. I would keep the vampires, and then run only the strongest/most flavorful of the other 10. Keep New Blood, Anguished Unmaking, Utter End, and Urge to Feed; cut Terminate, Swords to Plowshares, Mortify, Feast of Blood, Crackling Doom, and Victim of Night. I'd also advocate adding in Vindicate. Really none of the current instants you run are bad per se (I mean, Swords to Plowshares is the best removal spell printed in Magic), but in the interest of making meaningful space, this is where I'd start. Hell, if you really think you need more spot-shot, you could add Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter, though I don't care for his services. Vein Drinker is a solid option, however.
You could still trim a Sorin, though he is pretty nifty. Solemn Visitor is my least favorite.
Blind Obedience and Stensia Masquerade are somewhat unneeded. The Masquerade does improve some if you add in Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace (actually, I recommend running Rix Maadi regardless). The Dungeon Palace also enables you to trim Call the Bloodline if you wish.
You aren't running Cabal Coffers, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, or Black Market, so you only have Nirkana Revenant and Crypt of Agadeem to power up Exsanguinate. I think I'd cut it for a more impactful card.
On the topic of Nirkana Revenant, run more swamps! Yes, they're expensive, but you're going to have to track down two original duals (Scrubland and Badlands) and black fetches to make 3-color-Revenant functional. On the plus side, this would also enable Cabal Coffers, and the fetches synergize with Nocturnus. Bloodhusk Ritualist and Gatekeeper of Malakir will thank you likewise. Canyon Slough and Smoldering Marsh should at least replace some basic mountains.
Look at your color costs: You have only 10 red symbols, and 13 white. You don't need to run R/W dual lands (Sacred Foundry et al). You can get by with just black/x lands.
Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble are better in Olivia Voldaren than Edgar. With Olivia, you want more sac-outlets to ditch borrowed creatures in the event of Olivia's downfall, so the drain effects are a little more consistently powerful. With Edgar at the helm, I think you'd want to add in Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos to augment Butcher of Malakir and sacrifice effects such as Viscera Seer and Indulgent Aristocrat. Without all that, they just aren't reliable enough.
I strongly dislike Mathas, Fiend Seeker. Political play and Group Hug be damned- I want my opponents to suffer alongside me, not get free goodies.... bunch of filthy, free-loading, commie-hippies....
Herald’s Horn doesn't excite me unless you're at 50%+ creatures of the chosen tribe, which is a tall order for most tribes.
Teferi's Protection is sick, but Edgar puts out a lot of tokens, which feel bad with phasing. Not that it's a bad inclusion, but Angel's Grace might be more what you want if you really think you need a Ace of Saves (unlikely). Or if you're after the board protection, Boros Charm could be considered, though it won't help with Merciless Eviction and tuck sweeps.
1 week ago
1 week ago
cheesewizcheesewiz, I still think that Nahiri's Machinations can be removed since that's really only helpful if you want to consistently attack & protect one creature instead of swinging with a bunch of vampires. Also I doubt you will use the last ability very much (Olivia Voldaren does that effect much better!!)
1 week ago
So first, I suggest that you choose whether you want to build this as either 1. control & lifegain OR 2. aggro / vampire tribal because I personally think Edgar is good for a aggro tribal theme, but Licia, sanguine Tribune is actually better for a control/lifegain or even voltron build.
I think you have more lifegain stuff so I focus on that build and suggest cards that I think might want to remove for more control/removal or your combo win strategy:
Blood Baron of Vizkopa - this guy just seems hard to turn on for him to be revelant, but I've never played with him before!
Gifted Aetherborn - while he is basically Vampire Groundhawk, there might be better 2 drops
Guul Draz Assassin - he's usually pretty underwhelming in commander/takes a lot of mana to level up and be useful
Mirri the Cursed - maybe better for a more aggro build? Even I haven't included her in my list
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - kinda same as Mirri
Brave the Sands - also not sure how great this would be in commander, probably depends on your playgroup
Curse of Disturbance - make vampires not zombies! lol
Just some ideas, I hope it helps! Feel free to check out and comment on my Edgar deck too!
1 week ago
Thanks you for your help! You got a lotta good suggestions.
First and foremost, im gonna be trying this combat damage get counters theme of the vampires. The deck wants to be fast and play vamps on turn 1. Since I wanna refrain from discarding im gonna refrain from using madness things. Cards like Stromkirk Noble are gonna stay.
So since I wanna be fast and stuff, i thought Olivia Voldaren was gonna be too slow. You gotta pump mana in it to be good while I wanna play more vamps or draw or whatever, so im gonna think about it.
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is amaazing, but sadly I can't get my hands on that one just yet.
For the rest of the enchantments, those are also really good. Im gonna make room for Eldrazi Monument first and then ill see where I can put those in.
1 week ago
Hey there, thanks for the suggestions on my own decklist, now here are some for yours.
As it's rather late for me when i'm writing this, I will continue to think up some more suggestions tomorrow, but this looks like a good start for sure.
1 week ago
I like the commander, love the vampire theme. I just don't understand how the deck is supposed to win in a multiplayer format. Ultimately this all comes down to your playgroup and how competitive the deck is, what the meta is, all that good stuff. Most vampire decks to date have done Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond / Defiant Bloodlord. Or stealing opponents stuff with Olivia Voldaren in the late game. Or even Vampire Hexmage + Dark Depths. In my experience, very rarely are you going to be able to overwhelm all of your opponents with vampires that have had time to grow and get fat. Heavy creature decks that also generate tokens are huge Wrath of God magnets.
You may want to consider some more removal if you plan on keeping the win condition brute force: Merciless Eviction, Austere Command, Tempest of Light, Utter End, Oblation, Red Elemental Blast, Grave Pact, whatever. Otherwise, you fall victim to a huge variety of defensive measures: Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety, Copy Enchantment, Moat, Crawlspace, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, No Mercy, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, etc.
Finally, it's hard for me to say what I would cut without knowing your meta, but I'll give it a go: Confusion in the Ranks, Harsh Mercy, Insolent Neonate, Olivia, Mobilized for War, Attrition, Urge to Feed. These cards are either too finite, or have circumstantial value. Other than that, I challenge you to look at your creature base, I know you want to get a lot of value out of Edgar Markov but the creatures themselves need to bring a lot to the table too.