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Legendary Creature — Vampire
: Olivia Voldaren deals 1 damage to another target creature. That creature becomes a vampire in addition to its other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on Olivia Valdaren.
: Gain control of target Vampire for as long as you control Olivia Voldaren.
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Olivia Voldaren Discussion
6 hours ago
I think you could use more card draw. Phyrexian Arena would be a good choice, and so would Arguel's Blood Fast Flip. Greed is another option. I think you could also use some more mass board wipes, and in black you could pull off In Garruk's Wake and Plague Wind, or Kindred Dominance. Those are three board wipes that allow you to keep your board state, which is so great with a token strategy. Nim Deathmantle might be better than Whip of Erebos. I also think that Olivia Voldaren is better than Olivia, Mobilized for War, unless you have some synergistic stuff going on with her.
I think I would pull New Blood. Nice flavor, but I don't think its worth it. Since you're running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, you should run Filth, too. And if you want a backup to Urborg, Blanket of Night is good. I think I'd dump Rakdos Charm, too. Usually good against token strategies, but you are running a bit of one yourself.
How does Well of Lost Dreams work for you? You have lots of life loss effects going on, so if it works well, then stick with it. If you find yourself tapped out most of the time that you would want to use it, then a more straightforward card draw engine or another mana rock might work out better.
I hope that helps some. I love the vampire tribal theme, so I hope you get it working for you.
15 hours ago
20 hours ago
Have you found Copter to be better than Call the Bloodline, I can see an argument where the 1 Mana is worth the extra creature.
5 days ago
I really like Mardu as well, it does lack in that creature category like you said though. You miss out on Scooze, Goyf, Flayer, Tracker, etc... You have four drops covered with cards like Chandra Torch, Olivia Voldaren, and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, but the lower end of the curve suffers. I think Mardu's strong suit are planeswalkers and tokens and perhaps you should play to those strengths with creatures like Young Pyromancer, Monastery Mentor, and Butcher of the Horde or more super friends with Chandra Torch, Ajani Vengeant, Liliana, the Last Hope, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, Gideon Jura, Elspeth, Sun's Champion. I think either of those options or a mixture of both is probably better than playing Tidehollow, Finks, or Brimaz.
As far as other card choices, some fastlands like Concealed Courtyard or Blackcleave Cliffs can help the mana base be less painful. Some lifegain other than Vents would be nice with Bobs in your deck, perhaps Collective Brutality, or Lightning Helix. This way your game 1's against burn don't feel hopeless. One other thing Mardu misses out on is hitting noncreature permanents since it doesn't have Pulse or Decay. To fix this you may need to play some number of Anguished Unmaking or Utter End.
6 days ago
Hi there! I worked on a very similar build before the Commander 2017 Series, and I have a few tips.
this Olivia is stronger as a Timmy Aggro general, so you want to have some brutally efficient early game, rather than cards like Dark Impostor, which are high value but very slow. Also, it would be much better for you to add vampires and vampire synergy, rather than Madness cards, as they are less efficient. Here are my recommendations
CUT: Archfiend of Ifnir, Dark Impostor, Insatiable Gorgers, Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, Stromkirk Occultist. Vampire Cutthroat, Voldaren Pariah Flip, Faith of the Devoted, Gibbering Descent, Fiery Temper, Alms of the Vein, Gisa's Bidding, From Under the Floorboards, Blood Tribute, Cultivator's Caravan, Hedron Archive
ADD: Vampire Nocturnus, Bloodline Keeper Flip, Captivating Vampire, Olivia Voldaren, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Smuggler's Copter, Lightning Bolt, Mogis, God of Slaughter, Living Death, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Coat of Arms, Phyrexian Arena, Outpost Siege, Living Death.
1 week ago
Last_Laugh, what are your thoughts on the three signets and Talisman of Indulgence? I cut all four for Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, another land (37) and Stromkirk Noble. I am not sold on Stromkirk but he seemed the best of the one drop vampires I was not playing. This deck seems to need to go fast and both Moxes seem to fit that strategy.
I experimented with Glengarry's 29 Land Edgar deck. I could be wrong but I think it may be tough for it to win in a four person pod. I am trying to borrow some of the ideas that have synergy with your deck. Gone are some of the more expensive vampires:
These were replaced by mostly one and two mana vampires. I am playing Shared Animosity, Coat of Arms, Purphoros, God of the Forge, and Eldrazi Monument. The first three really care more about the quantity of vampires over the quality.
I am also trying out Scapegoat which I borrowed from Glengarry. It seems in theory to be a card that mitigates the damage done from board wipes.
I am not playing Phyrexian Arena, Heirloom Blade or Greed. I have only cast Dark Prophecy once but it was effective. I am playing additional life gain vampires and may be able to negate some of the life loss.
What do you think? With which of the points are you in most disagreement?
1 week ago
Fantastic deck and description, man. Like you, I've been waiting for the right vampire commander for a long time. In the past I had a decent Olivia Voldarendeck and I've made an okay Anowon, the Ruin Sage deck, but both lack any kind of tribal support - neither support going wide/tall.
When C17 was revealed I was super excited, not only because I'm a Sorin fanboy so I was pumped to see Edgar finally get a card, but because we finally have a viable vamp commander. Mardu is the perfect colors - gives us access to both black and red, and to all of the Sorins - something vampires in the past couldn't do. But more importantly, Edgar supports a token/buff theme which is perfect. As soon as I saw him spoiled my mind went right to Anointed Procession and low CMC vamps.(Convenient that the old Sorins just so happen to support those themes, they were ahead of their time.)
I've been spending way more time than anyone should tinkering with my Edgar deck. I agree with your sentiment - Edgar will never be a T1 deck, but I absolutely believe it can contend with non-combo decks and dominate most pods.
A couple suggestions! I've only been able to playtest a few times, but I've had some great success with a couple cards you didn't include:
Shared Animosity This card is a win-con. Like you, I really wanted to include Coat of Arms but especially with the current tribal meta in EDH, the fact that it buffs everyone is just too risky. Shared Animosity however buffs just you, and is crazy effective.
Boros Charm This card saves lives. Teferi's Protection is not the only card that protects your whole board. This weekend I had a board of 16+ vamps, someone board wiped and then Boros Charm kept me strong while everyone else started over.
Necropotence You are right that card draw is important in EDH, and this could just be the best card draw in black. It has kept my hand strong, and with some minor life-gain, even just Sorin, Solemn Visitor, the life-loss is no big deal at all.
Anguished Unmaking Now that we can include white in our vamp decks, we have to utilize these amazing single-target removals. This card saves you from anything. I was able to stop a combo piece from going off this weekend. (Plus its a nice flavor-win for this deck.)
Cover of Darkness Admit-ably, I have not been able to use this in a game yet, but I think its a strong addition for an aggro-tribal deck.
Good luck with this deck! Keep updating as you make changes, I'm interested in what is working/what is being cut. I was considering adding Eldrazi Monument too.
1 week ago
I think you should definitely keep Kindred Dominance in there. When I run black, I also like to run some other lopsided boardwipes, like In Garruk's Wake and Plague Wind. Their CMCs are high, but I'll take it to wipe and then smack with tokens. Merciless Eviction is also good just due to its utility. I think I'd take out New Blood since you're already running Olivia Voldaren. Looks like a fun deck!