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Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
Legendary Creature — Demon
Landfall Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may have target player lose 3 life. If you do, put three +1/+1 counters on Ob Nixilis, the Fallen.
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Ob Nixilis, the Fallen Discussion
3 hours ago
hi goldlion, thank you for your comment, compliment and your suggestions. lets start from the top:
Gilder Bairn looks interessting and costs only 3 CMC. Thanks good, but how do you plan on consistently tapping it, to untapp it? Attacking with it doesn't seems that smart and there are not that many other ways the deck offers to just tap creatures.
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen was in my top 110 and probably a card it took me a long time to cut. By now I can't tell you exactly why I cut it, but maybe I'll give him a try at my next EDH GameDay.
Defense of the Heart , you got this one right! With Defense of the Heart I am usually looking for creatures with a suiting etb effect to answer to the current board state. My play group so far never went to destroy it and usually 3 or more creatures is faster done than I expected. I see the same issue on Pattern of Rebirth here. Waiting for a good sac-outlet might take way longer than Defense of the Heart to trigger. But Ill still keep it in mind, thank you.
14 hours ago
Nice take on her! I like the planeswalker focus. It's too bad Vraska, Golgari Queen is the only one under 5cmc. Good thing you get the land in this deck, by the looks of it!
Gilder Bairn is another counter doubler.
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen could be an almost wincon with all this lands-matters stuff. A scapeshift with him and the amount of lands you'll likely get out does great things. Then play 3-4 of the lands again from the graveyard that turn for a couple more triggers. I'd almost prefer that over Titania, Protector of Argoth .... almost. I run him in my Gitrog deck and he definitely performs. If only he had trample.
Pattern of Rebirth is a great tutor in here. Defense of the Heart I fear to be such a lightning rod just announcing your pull out two creatures. I always worry about people either removing it, or hold up removal for the creatures... though I suppose in most cases you're going for their ETBs, so the second item isn't an issue. I do like that ability to sac the Pattern of Rebirth creature in response to something to get the trigger though.
Underrealm Lich does serious work with Muldrotha. Take your sorcery, send your permanents to the yard. Because you're not a combo deck, I'd run that over Doom Whisperer . If you were trying to combo off though, then doom whisperer would be the one for this.
4 days ago
Alright I took a look over your deck, and you built it pretty sweet! From what you told me so far you want a casual/fun deck that can threaten to stomp people to the ground :P
Here might be some fun card suggestions that you can utilize for card flips:
Aside from those fun janky cards, I would lower the curve a little bit more, add more rocks, as well as more Card Advantage (CA). The most problem with Rakdos decks is the lack of CA it can provide.
Some staples you can use of this archetype are:
Also some additional types of demon that can help:
- Bloodgift Demon
- Demon of Dark Schemes
- Lord of the Void
- Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
- Razaketh, the Foulblooded
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Sire Of Insanity
Since cards are going to hit the graveyard at one point, recursion spells are quite nice, here might be some utility spells that are cool:
I'm not too sure on which route you want to go for your deck, but I hope this gives you some additional insight. If you like further help clarify what additional support your looking for and I'll be glad to help out!
3 weeks ago
Thank you both for your criticism. Those are obvious cards I am missing.
I'm not sure Ob Nixilis, the Fallen does enough. I would prefer my creatures to be immediately impactful and doing a bit more damage doesn't feel good enough. Almost every creature does something immediately or is good enough/has a low enough opportunity cost to wait a turn.
3 weeks ago
I agree with the previous comment and me personally would replace Hellkite Tyrant with Master of Cruelties... or even an Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, also i have no idea how this casual competitive meter works on this website lol
Rahvin_dom on ZOa
1 month ago
It sounds like you want to:
- Slow down opponents' ability to cast spells, which forces opponents to keep cards in hand
- Force opponents to discard, limiting their options
- Use discard triggers to punish opponents
This sounds like it can work with Bolas. The risk I'd point out is with the discard punishers, specifically ones like Megrim and Liliana's Caress. They can be a little fragile - once the opponent no longer has any cards, you stop getting triggers. They're nice incidental damage and can add up, but you can't rely on them to actually close out the game. Bolas is also not ideally suited to the stax plan - he doesn't inherently break symmetry, so there are much better options for hard stax.
Wheels that discard are going to be excellent for you, getting a ton of discard triggers. Ignore wheels that shuffle and then draw without discarding.
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur would be a pretty amazing, synergistic reanimation target. You should definitely run some reanimation effects if you plan to force opponents to discard - you can grab tasty targets from your own deck or theirs. Reanimate, Animate Dead, Necromancy, Dance of the Dead are a good start.
Back to Basics doesn;t stop you from using your own fetches (even budget slow-fetches) since you only use those once - they don;t need to untap. Blood Moon works, and it sets your nonbasics to one of your actual colors, but it also turns all your fetches into Mountains. Watch out for that.
I'd also look at Ruination. It's MLD...but it only blows up non-basic lands. It's exactly what you're doing with the enchantments, but with removal.
You already seem to know the mana rock drill from your Nekusar deck. You want to lean heavily on the mana rocks - all of the 2CMC signets/talismans/Fellwar Stone. Fellwar is going to get much less useful once you land Bloood Moon though. Star Compass is useful since you'll be loading heavily on basic lands. Coldsteel Heart is useful to plug a specific color hole. Obviously Sol Ring. You're going to be looking for color fixing more than anything, so Chromatic Lantern is worth the extra mana, and any Mox you can afford are worthwhile (except Mox Amber, that one's less useful).
You need land fetching. Grixis Panorama is normally not a recommendation, but it can find any of your three colors, not just two, and you're already basically excluding fetchable duals with the stax effects. Journeyer's Kite and Thaumatic Compass Flip, Armillary Sphere, Pilgrim's Eye, Skittering Surveyor, Solemn Simulacrum, Sword of the Animist, Wayfarer's Bauble are all at least playable. The ETB creatures are useful if you plan to abuse Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip's ETB effect - you can use blink effects and Panharmonicon to get extra triggers.
Blood Moon and Back to Basics are great, but they likely are not enough to consistently slow opponents enough to be wroth all of this workaround by themselves. Even Ruination doesn't add enough. Unfortunately Grixis doesn;t have any of the neat land-untap triggers like Nature's Will or Seedborn Muse - if it did, you could abuse things like Stasis and Rising Waters and Static Orb more easily. Still, you could support Winter Orb with enough mana rocks. Be sure to run good one-sided artifact removal like Vandalblast to keep opponents from using their own rocks.
And of course Omniscience can let you blow up all the artifacts and lands and still play what you want. You'll be running a ton of rocks anyway, which could ramp you into it fairly early.
The big thing, though, is how you want to win. Stax doesn;t work super well on its own - you need to be using stax to slow your opponents down so that you can pull off your own win condition. Do you have any ideas on how youd like to win, even if just generally? Combat, combos, punisher effects like Megrim, mill, etc?
1 month ago
Good news - I just played a game with my Gitrog Monster deck. I slipped in my new (foil) Ob Nixilis, the Fallen and Scapeshift before the game (they just came in the mail). Around turn 8 I dropped Ob Nixilis with 2 land drops (making a 9/9 Ob), then played a turn 9 Scapeshift with 10 land on the battlefield, triggering Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. Killed two opponents with the 30 life loss, then swung with a 39/39 Ob and a 16/16 Gitrog (he had a Blackblade Reforged equipped) for the final kill. Too bad Ob doesn't have trample on board.
hkhssweiss - The win-con I just got to work tonight is kind of an example of what I meant with my last comment. With a large amount of basic lands, I can not just use scapeshift to trigger it, but Boundless Realms as well. So I was thinking I could limit the non-basics, perhaps to 12. Boseiju, Who Shelters All seems like a perfect fit when it's time to play my win-con. Arch of Orazca, I never appreciated much before, but I can see the benefit as a turn-by-turn mana sink if I find I'm land rich later on. Maze of Ith could be a great secondary pillow to have in there if I haven't gotten Glacial Chasm out yet. I see myself not wanting to use Scavenger Grounds, however I think nearly every deck with the colours should have the ol' bazooka bog.
SynergyBuild - good call on Sylvan Scrying the only reason I'd says Expedition Map over it is that in the 3 colour deck if I'm not getting a green, I can go fetch a dual land with green. If I had Sylvan Scrying in it's place, I'd be waiting for the top deck. Is that poor thinking with just a 3 colour, or does that make sense?
1 month ago
A few card ideas to mull over are: