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|Commander 2017 (C17)||Rare|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Rare|
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Nin, the Pain Artist
Legendary Creature — Vedalken Wizard
, : Nin, the Pain Artist deals X damage to target creature. That creature's controller draws X cards.
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Nin, the Pain Artist Discussion
4 weeks ago
I noticed that my initial list lacked some ramp. Some cards also underperformed, so here's the changes:
Camaraderie replaces Gelatinous Genesis - I found Genesis to be a massive win more and conditional card. It gets really good IF you manage to get a lot of exp counters and put Mizzix on the table. Camaraderie is a solid card that does a lot of stuff this deck wants to achieve.
Kiora's Follower replaces Incubation Druid - Despite +1/+1 counters subtheme, I found that it's actually pretty hard to put them on Druid. I also thought it can give mana of any color. Follower is similiar to Druid, but is fetchable, can untap Gates or Deathrite Shaman when I need them or give pseudo-vigilance to creatures.
Jhoira of the Ghitu replaces Nin, the Pain Artist - I put Nin as a cheap multicolored card that can be also valuable later. But the value than Nin provides is quite expensive, and using it as removal is even worse. Old Jhoira is also cheap and cheating stuff for low cost is always great.
1 month ago
Personally, I would lose the discard sub-theme and one-use cards like tutors and less-value draw to make room for cards with more synergy.
Suggestions for cuts :
- Vision Skeins
- Diabolic Tutor
- Mystic Retrieval
- Pull from the Deep
- Liliana's Caress
- Waste Not
- Geth's Grimoire
Suggestions for adds:
- Library of Leng (Very important in this deck!)
- Kess, Dissident Mage
- Master of the Feast
- Nin, the Pain Artist
- Seizan, Perverter of Truth
- Stormbreath Dragon
- Memory Jar
- Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Khorvath's Fury
Hope this helps!
3 months ago
Hey, interesting concept for a deck.
Budget cards ($5 or less each) to consider adding:
- Exotic Orchard
- Yavimaya Coast
- Cinder Glade
- Game Trail
- Shivan Reef
- Willbreaker : gain control of your opponents creatures by pinging them.
- Niv-Mizzet, Parun : combos with Curiosity/Sense/Eye to do infinite damage.
- Mystic Remora : excellent repeatable draw in multiplayer Commander.
- Nin, the Pain Artist : ping your own creature for a lot of damage and draw a lot of cards combos with Doll.
- Stuffy Doll
- Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip
- Cinder Pyromancer
- Fervor : give pingers haste.
- Skullclamp : lots of 1 toughness creatures here makes Clamp good backup draw.
- Trinket Mage : tutor for one of Collar/Head/Ring/Skullclamp.
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Hi-res art is available on Scryfall here: https://scryfall.com/sets/j18
If there's some way I can help get these into the system let me know. I've tried using the add card function to no avail. I know you mentioned previous promotional printings being a pinch point, but I believe Vampiric Tutor is the only card that this might effect (and there is still room to use "Promo Set for Gatherer" instead, I believe.
Thanks again for the support on this so far!
5 months ago
Hi there, I'm from the advertise your commander thread.
I used to have a Nin, the Pain Artist deck based on stealing and copying your opponents stuff. I always liked to win using your opponents cards, so its nice to see a deck with a similar theme.
I think your current build has a lot of room for optimization as there are many cards that have strictly or subjectively better counterparts. These are some suggestions for cards I would replace and what with:
Other cards that fit the theme of the deck: Clone, Stunt Double, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clever Impersonator, Roil Elemental, Vesuvan Doppelganger, Cackling Counterpart & Rite of Replication (Non budget: Bribery & Gilded Drake)
I would probably drop the flicker subtheme you currently have because you dont run a lot of creatures and go down a few lands (37 should be fine) in favor of more draw (Rhystic Study & Mystic Remora are nice). Also, one of the good things about black is the access to tutors. By adding tutors you increase the consistency of your deck, as they effectively serve as an extra copy of all the other cards in your deck. Lim-Dul's Vault, Beseech the Queen and Dark Petition are some good relatively cheap ones. (If you want to invest a bit of money in it, Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are great.)
I hope this helps and good luck with deckbuilding!
PS. Dont forget to comment on the previously posted deck in the 'advertise your commander deck' thread. ;)
5 months ago
Of the suggested cuts, I outright removed Voidmage Prodigy and AEther Adept. Voidmage as a means of being both a sac outlet while also providing some interaction though ultimately he can't make a lot of use out of the tokens created which is part of why I think he's worth cutting. The second is AEther Adept which while being reusable creature bounce for 4 mana, has her affect elsewhere and so can be removed as stronger abilities exist such as Barrin, Master Wizard, Venser, Shaper Savant, Mystic Confluence, and Galecaster Colossus.
As for the rest, here's the reasoning for each: Vedalken AEthermage - wizardcycling is huge and lets me get whatever wizard I need which is a huge amount of flexibility.
Anathemancer - potential win-con if i have a repeatable flicker or naban/panharmonicon out).
Deadeye Navigator - repeatable flicker ability which can be big game for most ETB creatures.
Sundial of the Infinite - lets the tokens stay forever. This seems like a really cool effect and getting the tokens to last forever just seems like such a crazy interaction and value generator.
Chaos Warp - Gets rid of anything on the table in red which is critical considering there's no specific enchantment removal in the deck.
Barrin, Master Wizard - is a repeatable bounce and sac outlet which is really helpful.
Nin, the Pain Artist - serves several purposes (removal, card draw, and given infinite mana which the deck can generate, can be an instant death button that is difficult to counter).
Master of Waves - another bounce win-con for the deck. Even given two copies, he's got a lot of potential to create a ton of creatures. Added with flicker effects/sundial of the infinite and it becomes a total house.
But I think both start to move the deck into a certain direction (focusing on stealing stuff or copying spells) which is maybe exactly what it needs.
5 months ago
- Vedalken AEthermage
- AEther Adept
- Deadeye Navigator
- Sundial of the Infinite
- Chaos Warp
- Nin, the Pain Artist or Master of Waves or Voidmage Prodigy or Barrin, Master Wizard
If you want a few creatures that can counter spells maybe try:
- Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
- Patron Wizard
- Disruptive Student
- Disruptive Pitmage
- Disciple of the Ring
Also, these wizards might help yout sub-themes of copying spells and stealing creatures:
Let me know if there's a specific reason you're using a card I suggested to remove.
6 months ago
Pretty good for your first go! Here are some cards that can be considered that aren't too expensive!
- Mystic Remora
- Mission Briefing
- Insidious Dreams
- Thought Vessel
- Bonus Round
- Whirlpool Warrior
- Notion Thief
- Baral, Chief of Compliance
- Commit / Memory
- Day's Undoing
- Time Reversal
- Mystical Tutor
Cards I would recommend cutting:
- Archfiend of Depravity
- Archfiend of Ifnir
- Dragon Mage
- Jushi Apprentice
- Nightscape Familiar
- Nin, the Pain Artist
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
- Nivix Guildmage
- Fated Return
- Diabolic Revelation
- Venser's Journal
Hope that helps!
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