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Nin, the Pain Artist
Legendary Creature — Vedalken Wizard
, : Nin, the Pain Artist deals X damage to target creature. That creature's controller draws X cards.
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Nin, the Pain Artist Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hi there, I'm from the advertise your commander thread.
I used to have a Nin, the Pain Artist deck based on stealing and copying your opponents stuff. I always liked to win using your opponents cards, so its nice to see a deck with a similar theme.
I think your current build has a lot of room for optimization as there are many cards that have strictly or subjectively better counterparts. These are some suggestions for cards I would replace and what with:
Other cards that fit the theme of the deck: Clone, Stunt Double, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clever Impersonator, Roil Elemental, Vesuvan Doppelganger, Cackling Counterpart & Rite of Replication (Non budget: Bribery & Gilded Drake)
I would probably drop the flicker subtheme you currently have because you dont run a lot of creatures and go down a few lands (37 should be fine) in favor of more draw (Rhystic Study & Mystic Remora are nice). Also, one of the good things about black is the access to tutors. By adding tutors you increase the consistency of your deck, as they effectively serve as an extra copy of all the other cards in your deck. Lim-Dul's Vault, Beseech the Queen and Dark Petition are some good relatively cheap ones. (If you want to invest a bit of money in it, Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are great.)
I hope this helps and good luck with deckbuilding!
PS. Dont forget to comment on the previously posted deck in the 'advertise your commander deck' thread. ;)
3 weeks ago
Of the suggested cuts, I outright removed Voidmage Prodigy and AEther Adept. Voidmage as a means of being both a sac outlet while also providing some interaction though ultimately he can't make a lot of use out of the tokens created which is part of why I think he's worth cutting. The second is AEther Adept which while being reusable creature bounce for 4 mana, has her affect elsewhere and so can be removed as stronger abilities exist such as Barrin, Master Wizard, Venser, Shaper Savant, Mystic Confluence, and Galecaster Colossus.
As for the rest, here's the reasoning for each: Vedalken AEthermage - wizardcycling is huge and lets me get whatever wizard I need which is a huge amount of flexibility.
Anathemancer - potential win-con if i have a repeatable flicker or naban/panharmonicon out).
Deadeye Navigator - repeatable flicker ability which can be big game for most ETB creatures.
Sundial of the Infinite - lets the tokens stay forever. This seems like a really cool effect and getting the tokens to last forever just seems like such a crazy interaction and value generator.
Chaos Warp - Gets rid of anything on the table in red which is critical considering there's no specific enchantment removal in the deck.
Barrin, Master Wizard - is a repeatable bounce and sac outlet which is really helpful.
Nin, the Pain Artist - serves several purposes (removal, card draw, and given infinite mana which the deck can generate, can be an instant death button that is difficult to counter).
Master of Waves - another bounce win-con for the deck. Even given two copies, he's got a lot of potential to create a ton of creatures. Added with flicker effects/sundial of the infinite and it becomes a total house.
But I think both start to move the deck into a certain direction (focusing on stealing stuff or copying spells) which is maybe exactly what it needs.
3 weeks ago
- Vedalken AEthermage
- AEther Adept
- Deadeye Navigator
- Sundial of the Infinite
- Chaos Warp
- Nin, the Pain Artist or Master of Waves or Voidmage Prodigy or Barrin, Master Wizard
If you want a few creatures that can counter spells maybe try:
- Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
- Patron Wizard
- Disruptive Student
- Disruptive Pitmage
- Disciple of the Ring
Also, these wizards might help yout sub-themes of copying spells and stealing creatures:
Let me know if there's a specific reason you're using a card I suggested to remove.
1 month ago
Pretty good for your first go! Here are some cards that can be considered that aren't too expensive!
- Mystic Remora
- Mission Briefing
- Insidious Dreams
- Thought Vessel
- Bonus Round
- Whirlpool Warrior
- Notion Thief
- Baral, Chief of Compliance
- Commit / Memory
- Day's Undoing
- Time Reversal
- Mystical Tutor
Cards I would recommend cutting:
- Archfiend of Depravity
- Archfiend of Ifnir
- Dragon Mage
- Jushi Apprentice
- Nightscape Familiar
- Nin, the Pain Artist
- Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
- Nivix Guildmage
- Fated Return
- Diabolic Revelation
- Venser's Journal
Hope that helps!
1 month ago
I meant Treasure Hunt, not Cruise. I was thinking of dumping the lands into a Conflagrate, Land's Edge, Lightning Storm, or something similar. I forgot to explain that line of thinking in my first post; this hypothetical deck would be built off my current Nin, the Pain Artist structure.
I like the idea of Plasm Capture, and will incorporate it into my list. Thanks for the feedback!
2 months ago
Yeah, so is it my imagination that Sram, Senior Artificer, the most popular mono-white commander on EDHREC and one of the cheapest card draw engines in the Command Zone in the game, next to Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Baral, Chief of Compliance, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Nin, the Pain Artist, Sygg, River Cutthroat, and the almighty Thrasios, Triton Hero, while Sram also being one of the most efficient after it hits.
Or you know, Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero, a repeatable tutor in the command zone, Djeru, With Eyes Open, another tutor, Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle, repeatable recursion much like the old Reya Dawnbringer, or in red Daretti, Scrap Savant, one of the most popular mono-red commanders (#2 on EDHREC) with built in card selection, recursion, and more, emblemmy recursion on top, Zada, Hedron Grinder, a storm commander that gains card advantage with effects like Expedite, Godo, Bandit Warlord being a tutor, Feldon of the Third Path being recursion that is repeatable.
And again, the other boros commanders like Depala and Munda.
I guess I was mistaken, and some of the most popular commanders of all time, like Zada storm on a budget, Sram, or Daretti never existed.
2 months ago
Yeah, and storm is overrated IMO, trust me, there are many reasons I think that a 99 card colorless stax deck without a commander is able to compete in High Powered, not Competitive, not 'Maximum Powered,' but it is as good, relatively to almost each and every other High-Powered list I have tested out, meaning it is equal in winrate to the following lists from a set of hundreds of games against the Tier 1-2 lists:
Xira Arien Paradox Storm, Azami, Lady of Scrolls Paradox Combo-Control, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Token-Combo, Talrand, Sky Summoner Control&Extra Turns, Gaddock Teeg Creature-Stax/Hatebears, Sliver Queen Combo, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Lockout Combo, Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow turns, Zada, Hedron Grinder storm, Dralnu, Lich Lord Paradox Storm, Inalla, Archmage Ritualist Infinite Turn Combo, Ishkanah, Grafwidow Food Chain, Shattergang Brothers stax, Nin, the Pain Artist IsoRev Combo, Selvala, Explorer Returned Combo-Stax, Seton, Krosan Protector ElfBall/Druid Tribal, and The Locust God combo.
2 months ago
I forgot to mention earlier that a political card can also be cards that give a backhanded gift (ie Nin, the Pain Artist). Also, not listing every curse in Magic's history.