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Surrak Dragonclaw Discussion
5 days ago
Consider dropping the following:
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - not a Warrior
Boros Signet, Selesnya Signet & Gruul Signet - weak color fixing and better use of sleeves.
Bident of Thassa - not sure, seems kinda weak but it may be better in your deck.
Bear Umbra - cute aura, but aura's are weak in multipler unless your playing aura voltron.
Sosuke, Son of Seshiro - you aren't making snakes. I know that the destroy a creature is nice, but deathtouch does effectively the same thing.
Warriors to consider:
Mardu Woe-Reaper, Skarrgan Pit-Skulk, Wild Nacatl, Blood-Chin Fanatic, Ogre Marauder, Brutal Hordechief, Drumhunter, Wolfir Silverheart
Glistener Elf - for those times when you really HAVE to but don't want to.....
Patriarch's Bidding - the best tribal recursion spell
Bloodsoaked Champion & Reassembling Skeleton - skullclamp or chump block all day long.
Surrak Dragonclaw & Yasova Dragonclaw - Because why not?
Imperious Perfect & Nacatl War-Pride - tokens!
Brion Stoutarm - fling!
Cliffhaven Vampire - this could be a combo piece....
Herald of Secret Streams - ahahahahahahaha Bramblewood Paragon has a best friend
There are more Warriors to consider, but I wanted to focus on some utility that you may have overlooked.
Here are some lands you may have overlooked: Unclaimed Territory, Opal Palace, Reflecting Pool
1 week ago
1 week ago
Seems like removing Swordtooth for Surrak Dragonclaw wouls be a good thing to me. It'd require splashing blue and therefore making your manabase more clunky and expensive, but I'm sure it'd be better that way. With Goreclaw on the board, Surrak basically costs you
1 month ago
I see you have Derevi, Empyrial Tactician in your maybe board. You should definitely move him to the main board. His value is ridiculously strong.
Other cards I would recommend that won't necessarily break the bank: Bear Umbra, Kindred Discovery , Reconnaissance, Shared Animosity, Path to Exile, Cyclonic Rift, Yasova Dragonclaw, Eternal Witness, Vandalblast, Shattering Spree, and By Force.
Reconnaissance is truly an all star. It allows you to swing with everything, then remove them from combat AFTER their damage goes through but BEFORE your opponents damage goes through. It's like vigilance, only 10x better. Plus allows you to tap them for mana to things like Cryptolith Rite.
One sided board wipes, clears, or artifact removal, or even just spot removal is always a good thing. Though it might more depend on the meta you play in, the need for those cards.
Eternal Witness can get you your cards back. 'Nuff said? Yasova Dragonclaw can steal some fun things. Shared Animosity can get ridiculous, real quick. It's like a cheaper Coat of Arms (but slightly worse, but only goes for your things...so...you know). Kindred Discovery is a great card draw engine.
Obviously, to increase the consistency of your deck, tutors. And a more expensive landbase. But you said your budget is $150. So most tutors are already out. However, if you decide you want to sink way too much money into it, Tutors are easy, no brainer, inclusions
Now the hard part. What do you cut to put things in that maybe help you combo, or make your stuff bigger, all of a sudden, or just to provide value?
My recommendations for that, mostly based on high CMC or not providing as much value as something else: Zealous Conscripts, Surrak Dragonclaw, Stonehoof Chieftain, Lovisa Coldeyes, Jazal Goldmane, Blood-Chin Fanatic, Blaring Recruiter, and Blaring Captain.
Of course, all of these are just suggestions. If you like the way a card interacts with the deck, or you think it's just fun to play, keep it! It's just a game, designed for people to have fun with. And all that matters is that you have fun with playing your deck. Best of luck to you in all your future games, I love Najeela. She's a lot of fun, and almost no one like to see her across the table from them.
1 month ago
So for the first thing on the agenda, I would like to formally apologize for my absence from this deck (and magic in general for that matter). Life has been keeping me busy with school ending a couple of months ago (I know, summer is almost over), but with the end of school, work then began to arise and it just became very hard to stay active on tapped out and find time to actually build any decks (especially this one in particular). With that being said, I am back once again to build, formulate, test, and build again.
Second lets begin with a thank you to TailoredBacon for trying to answer Vlasiax's question in my absence, I really do appreciate it and love having input being discussed here to help improve everyone's The Ur-Dragon Deck. So now it is my turn to actually provide some input on the question as well :D and this will bring us to the 3rd topic.
Vlasiax: I have been using Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury, Ojutai, Soul of Winter, and Wasitora, Nekoru Queen mostly because they either fill a couple of rolls, or they are just strictly better than other dragons. Kolaghan will help provide extra damage when needed and if you have an army, the power will quickly grow out of control, but you are right, alone she does slightly under preform and it is very possible that you might not ever get to that army of dragons and might end up on the cutting block due to her cost and what she does, as she has no board impact right away. As for Ojutai, Soul of Winter, I have found that he will help lock down or slow down opponents that could very well grow out of control. Gilded Lotus is playing in almost every deck in my playgroup and tapping it down could help (but most of my group have ways of untapping it multiple times in a turn or other ways around it), so Ojutai is not bad, but for 7 mana, there might be something better. He lacks impact on the board upon entering and must attack to get his trigger, which if you have multiple dragons attacking, can be amazing, but if you don't, then he is more of a nuisance than anything. Wasitora, Nekoru Queen is probably out of all of the dragons you have mentioned, would be the one I keep, solely because of the Sac creature affect and strength it has on deck like Atraxa, Praetors' Voice, Captain Sissay, or other commander decks that rely so heavily on the commander. Though once again, I have found that she does get removed rather quickly as people don't want to lose their commander. She also shares the common problem with the other two and it is that she doesn't impact the board when she is played and is just a creature that people are like "okay, got to get rid of it by next turn so we don't sac anything". Turns out, dragons are threatening, but when dolled out one by one, people tend to just remove them before they become a problem. Which this brings us to your second question about hate.
YES!!!!! It does bring hate as people are going to remove your dragons before they can do anything. This is short and simple, if you play a 6 mana dragon, that will be removed to the infamous one mana Path of Exile, then yes, they are going to do it. I have found that counterspells aren't as big of a problem as one might imagine, but they are there and having Cavern of Souls does help, but I have considered alternate means. I just saw Conqueror's Flail tonight, and holy crap. A card that will more than likely give +5/+5 (because we are 5 color) and it has a Grand Abolisher like affect, I will take 10 please. Steely Resolve is another that I will probably try to find room for. I do not know if I want Taigam, Ojutai Master, or Surrak Dragonclaw, just because of their mana costs. Surrak is more tempting because it gives all your creatures trample, and makes everything uncounterable. So he is tempting, but really unsure right now. Requires play testing!!! So we should always look for ways to protect our dragons, but we must keep it cheap in cost if at all possible. If we can ramp out cheap spells that protect our dragons, while being able to dull out dragons, that would be ideal.
Last point, the planeswalkers. Oh boy, the planeswalkers. What can I saw, flavor wise, I love both Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh and they are both very powerful, but they are very expensive and if I had the choice, I would probably only keep Ugin, and that itself is a maybe right now. The Sarkhans are another thing. Sarkhan Unbroken on paper looks like he should be in this deck 100% of the time, but in reality, I don't think so. He is 5 mana for a very kill able mana rock that draws you one card, maybe two is a full turn rotation happens. Plus the ult, strikes fear into the hearts of your enemies and paints a very large target straight on his forehead. He will be killed, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when, and it will be very soon after he is played. Now if you play Doubling Season with him, then by all means, ult him right away and live the dream, then tell me how it was because it sounds glorious. Sarkhan the Mad is one that I have thought about, but ultimately, have left out because he will be a 5 mana draw a card once or twice, or make a 5/5 dragon that could have just been played for the 5 mana from the start. His ult seems really cool, but requires a lot of dragons to do this. If I had to have a planeswalker, and really, I want to use this guy, it would have to be the new Sarkhan, Fireblood. He is a 3 mana ramp spell for dragons that can either ramp or loot a card, which he will more than likely loot on his first turn he is out. Second, because his abilities are just helping with ramp or looting and his ult only makes four 5/5 dragon tokens, which isn't as scary as pull every dragon out of the deck onto the field, so he does not receive as much hate as Sarkhan Unbroken. I think this also might be the only planeswalker I run just because he is cheap and is exactly what I want. Though Dack Fayden is very tempting as he can also ramp with artifact stealing.
Okay, now for my final set of words for the night. This was a lot to think about and type, but it is what we are here for to help discuss and further advance ones ideas. This being said, for the months that I have been playing magic, I have been playing a Storm Grixis deck, a competitive Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck, and even a Marwyn, the Nurturer commander deck. All of the experience and ideas from these decks will help build and form a new and improved The Ur-Dragon deck. One that will help push the deck to its very limits. Also the M19 and Commander 2018 has some awesome stuff for this deck and I look forward to improving the deck with all the fun things found in these sets. A 3 mana Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip that does impact the board straight away by discarding a card from all of our opponents and is a 4/4 flyer that can become a planeswalker in the later end of the game. Sold and I already have my Foil Prerelease Nicol Bolas for the deck. So with all of this, you guys can expect to see a new form of The Ur-Dragon Initiative in the coming month or two. Hopefully it is sooner, rather than later, but time must allow for research. I thank you all for listening, reading, and just enjoying the deck overall. Glad to see that it has remained high up on the ranks of the other The Ur-Dragon decks even with my absence and I hope everybody will continue to support The Ur-Dragon Initiative. Have a great night and may your sealed pulls and your commander games be great. Bye Bye!!!!!!
1 month ago
devastated-heart Thank you for the feedback!
I don't feel like the damage from Thunderbreak Regent is a large enough deterrent to include in the deck. I am not a big fan of planeswalkers, especially with high cmc. I am only including Sarkhan Unbroken because his first and second abilities are good additional utility.
The Immortal Sun WOW! This has to be my favorite suggestion that you made.
Lastly I think that I like Shard Convergence over Hour of Promise for three reasons. First I like the lower cost, second it sets me up for the next 3-4 land drops, and third I don't really have any non-basic lands that don't have a basic land type that I would want to search for that desperately.
THANKS AGAIN!! I love the feedback. Please feel free to share and upvote so that i can potentially get some more great feedback.
2 months ago
As far as what to take out for Mirrorwing, I suggest dropping any of your non-Dragon creatures. Surrak Dragonclaw seems like one of the first things I’d drop in that situation. Something like Taigam, Ojutai Master achieves the same goal, is less demanding, and is lower on the curve.
I would also find room for a few key pieces such as Thunderbreak Regent, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, and possibly Sarkhan, Dragonsoul. For these, I would personally take out Scourge of the Throne, Sunscorch Regent, and maybe Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius.
For any more basic structure questions, feel free to check out my in-progress deck here: Draconic Domination
2 months ago
Thank you Luiosh. I didn’t know of Yavimaya hollow, seems really cool. The shock lands are in the deck already and can’t replace the temples, I can use the check lands instead. The infinite counters is funny, but inifinite loops really annoy me so I was trying to avoid those if possible.
I’ve got friends telling me to either use Surrak Dragonclaw or Experiment Kraj as the commander, since they work better than animar. I’m using animar as a way to energize my plays and not the be all end all. My last deck I relied on my commander to heavily, (Xenagos, God of Revels), and I wasn’t having too much fun with it.