Venser, Shaper Savant

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Format Legality
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3) Rare
From the Vault: Twenty (V13) Mythic Rare
Future Sight (FUT) Rare

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Venser, Shaper Savant

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard

Flash (You may cast this spell at any time you could cast an instant.)

When Venser, Shaper Savant enters the battlefield, return target spell or permanent to its owner's hand.

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Venser, Shaper Savant Discussion

xy0002 on Budget Fevered Visions

7 hours ago

you could also spring for Venser, Shaper Savant if you wanted

FiveEightFiveBC on Aminatou's Flickering Flare

10 hours ago

Venser, Shaper Savant could be good if you can blink it at instant speed, but I don't see any way for you to do that within reason. I'd cut it.

You aren't running any life-gain synergy, so Elixir of Immortality looks like one of your least essential cards as well.

Every planeswalker except for Venser, the Sojourner looks peripheral to your main theme of blink and ETB value. I'd cut them.

Also, I don't think you're running enough graveyard filling effects to warrant as much recursion as you have. I'd keep Unburial Rites and Entreat the Dead, and scrap everything else that specifically targets a single permanent and puts it onto the battlefield, as well as Crucible of Worlds.

Because your blinking is going to be occurring at, at best, 2 creatures per turn (I think!), Suture Priest doesn't seem likely to be doing much beyond pinging opponents for a few life each turn. It does specifically hate on token strategies, but is that really necessary? That's why you have your board wipes.

I'd add Eerie Interlude.

I hope this is at least a helpful start! If I recommended any bad cuts, make sure you can justify why I'm wrong!

gonz0pl on The Fateshifter | **PRIMER**

1 day ago

More testing done tonight.

New favourite unfair interaction: Aminatou, the Fateshifter on 1 loyalty using -1 ability to flicker a (basic or not) Plains with Emeria Shepherd on the field only to let Aminatou go to the yard and bring her back on 3. I loved every single spiteful gaze my opponents gave me, lol!

Swapped a few things around: Mana Vault in, Mana Crypt out. Really happy with the result of this swap. Helps me progress the board much faster, especially after flickering it for extra 3 mana. The 1 life loss is much more manageable than 3, in my opinion. No Thran Dynamo as of yet, but I'm considering it or Basalt Monolith though.

Can't express how good both Draining Whelk and Mystical Teachings are. The first one is simply unexpected and helped me get around an Akroma's Vengeance and was quickly followed by a tutor for Eldrazi Displacer to deflect further disruption. The spell has proven its worth vs. Cat Tribal Voltron getting Venser, Shaper Savant to bounce a well-equipped Nazahn to hand. Having it as the only card in my hand, at the end of my opponent's turn and chaining it into Entreat the Dead via Mystical Tutor to rebuild my board in my upkeep was sweet, too.

Unlike you, I have less colourless land sources and it wasn't enough to succesfully chain Peregrine Drake and another creature for flicker shenanigans with Eldrazi Displacer, so I removed the Halimar Depths I was playing, and added Adarkar Wastes.

Currently tinkering with Personal Tutor and Rune-Scarred Demon as even with Sorin, Grim Nemesis who keeps proving himself fantastic, I don't think I have enough draw/tutor power.

My current iteration of the build Show

RazortoothMtg on Animatou's Miraculous Blinking Beasts

2 days ago

I think Ashen Rider, while 1 more mana, is probably always better than Angel of Despair (unless you have Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign in play I guess, but she doesn't seem great here anyway). Rider exiles and stops people from Murdering it, requiring exile to deal with it if they dont want their board messed with.

My list has been experimenting with a minor superfriends theme. I don't know if you want to go that direction, but with Aminatou, the Fateshifter, Oath of Teferi, and any other PW, you can activate that other PWs abilities 6 times in one turn. For example, with Elspeth, Sun's Champion, you could -3 to wrath the board, then +1 for 3 soldiers. Aminatou uses her -1 to blink Elspeth, resetting activations. +1 twice for 6 more soldiers. Do it again. +1 twice more to end up with a clear board and 15 1/1 soldier tokens. Also, if you have multiple PWs out, The Chain Veil becomes disgusting (but not infinite). Activate chain veil, -1 Aminatou to blink the chain veil, activate again, -1, activate, -1, etc, essentially reading ", Remove a loyalty counter from Aminatou: You can activate PW abilites an additional time this turn." With any other planeswalker, you can likely immediately ultimate them or just accrue insane value by activating multiple times in a turn. At worst, it still acts like Oath of Teferi, letting you activate Aminatou multiple times a turn.

Another card in my list that I've been really enjoing is Thalia's Lancers. In your list it already grabs Brago, King Eternal (likely the best card in the deck), as well as Yennett, Venser, Shaper Savant, both PW you currently have, Oath of Teferi (and The Chain Veil if you add that), and Gonti, Lord of Luxury. And if you decide to add it, you can add a toolbox of effects for it to search for: A wrath in Urza's Ruinous Blast, lands in Minamo, School at Water's Edge and similar, more PWs, etc.

I would also suggest adding the one mana cycling lands, e.g Barren Moor (or if you don't want those, there are also the Amonkhet cycling dual lands, e.g Irrigated Farmland). They may not seem like much, but casting Terminus, Temporal Manipulation, etc at instant speed is very strong. Put it on top with Aminatou and pass the turn, holding up a cycling land to miracle it off the top, similar to Sensei's Divining Top, and they have little downside.

gonz0pl on The Fateshifter | **PRIMER**

3 days ago

First of all, thank you for your Primer, it’s been a great help! Very inspirational piece of deck tech!

I’ve recreated most of the deck with some minor changes.

I’ve cut out Utter End in favour of Sorin, Grim Nemesis as a redundant effect in Aminatou + Kaya + Guardian + Panharmonicon/Oath of Teferi combo. He also provides extra draws, something the deck struggles with, in my opinion.

I reduced Islands to three, adding Halimar Depths. Having hardly any Turn 1 plays, I think it’s worth keeping a slightly riskier hand and re-arranging the top to hit the missing land. If you have a fetchland in hand, you can t2 reshuffle easily. I also found it helpful when I was running out of gas.

I decided to include Eldrazi Displacer instead of Ixidron, so also had to tweak manabase a bit. Swapping Concealed Courtyard and Darkslick Shores for Caves of Koilos and Underground River respectively brought the deck to a satisfying number of colourless sources. Displacer does not disappoint! I was able to pull of Felidar Guardian + Gonti, Lord of Luxury tonight, without Aminatou, the Fateshifter and Panharmonicon or Oath of Teferi. Instead, I had a Peregrine Drake and five lands, including Winding Canyons and Reliquary Tower. Took a while to explain to the table it’s a win lol!

I do not own an Imperial Seal so decided to go more flickery way and added Brago, King Eternal. The deck isn’t that much value oriented though, so I will probably add Rune-Scarred Demon instead as I found myself struggling to find answers at times.

Also swapped Angel of Despair for a cheaper disruption creature – Reflector Mage. More likely to get cast with Winding Canyons. I know it only hits creatures, but I didn’t find myself in the need to heavily disrupt non-creature strategies just yet.

Perplexing Chimera is still on my list. I like how you can get it back with Aminatou’s -1, but opponents will slow roll their spells in order to get rid of it or will simply wipe the board. Considering putting Draining Whelk as it’s a more reactive disruption that I can later flicker with Eldrazi Displacer or bounce back with Venser.

Insidious Dreams is proving to be disappointing as oftentimes I don’t have enough acceptable cards to pitch to it. Might go with Personal Tutor or Mystical Teachings instead. The first one if I can afford to slow roll Entreat the Dead or can use Aminatou’s +1 to put Time Warp in my hand, provided Archaeomancer or Salvager of Secrets is on the field already. The second can be good to fetch Venser, Shaper Savant, a counterspell or any other instant tutor effect. Flashback can prove useful too.

Thanks for sharing your deck with us, hopefully you’ll find my playtesting experience useful, too!

SynergyBuild on Ancestral Animar

3 days ago

Daedronus,

This is a very land-light deck and Burgeoning will mostly only drop one or two lands maximum for a card. It also doesn't put counters on Animar, can't be tutored for, and is a bad draw at any time except turn one to drop a turn two Animar. Carpet of Flowers more consistently ramps this deck into a turn two Animar and still doesn't deserve a spot because just getting a turn two animar by spending a mana isn't enough, it normally has to either be free like Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox or the similar effects or be a creature like Birds of Paradise.

Venser, Shaper Savant is not useful in the same way Man-o'-War is, being that both can bounce themselves, but Man o' War can do it for half the mana, putting twice the +1/+1 counters that Venser will on Animar. This is a huge difference when you need a number of counters to cast a game-winning spell by turn 4 or trying to win right there.



helldanno due to Animar, Soul of Elements having protection from white & black, that means I assume you are running into blue/green/red removal.

Against Red Removal, Blasphemous Act type effects are unaffected by Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots, so I assume this isn't your problem. Against Lightning Bolt effects stuff like Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, and Mental Misstep can counter as well as just putting a few counters on Animar, Soul of Elements. Against Chaos Warp, we still have Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, though you could run some cards like Swan Song and Dispel can be flex slots. They also happen to slow your opponents down if they try to combo out.

Against Blue Removal, which I assume is your problem, Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Rapid Hybridization and Cyclonic Rift can still be blocked with Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, but also can be blocked by some of the flex slots I talked about prior.

Green removal is pretty much just Beast Within and Song of the Dryads and is generally rare, but if it is really hurting your, Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation can stop them all, and Caustic Caterpillar, Brutalizer Exarch, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger can deal with Song of the Dryads type effects.

The point is, I don't see your reason for Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves, they are two mana non-creature permanents that protect things at sorcery speed, unlike the rest of the answers.


Now while I respect your opinion in your meta on the use and capability of Emrakul, the Promised End, in this deck it commonly reduces it's cost by 1-3 mana, and can be reduced by 4-7 on a mid-sized Animar, Soul of Elements like you said, so 5-10 mana on normal by turns 5-6, or mid game. Even saying it costs is pushing it and if that is the case, you should run it if your meta is overrun with decks that are ruined by it. However due to the top tiered decks normally running a high number of instants that can be used to disable their own ability, think Chain of Vapor, they could commonly stop you from ruining themselves too bad in response to the ability before their turn. Rarely can it do more than a Word of Command because of stuff like that. Even if it just killed target player, like you said about swinging in with a swoll Animar, it doesn't win you the game to kill one player.

Again, that is only the reason that it isn't good enough for JMCraig to toss it in with the goal of this for cEDH decks, but if it works in your playgroup, do it! I have only the best wishes for you and your Animar deck!


You want a backup-backup plan I think was that second-to-last line? I don't understand why you think that is nessecary, but I will go over the plan:

Main Plan : Animar + Statue + Outlet = Win

Backup Plan : Kiki-jiki + Untapper = Win

We have a backup plan, why do you assume we need another?


You seemed to argue for Tishana over Big Kozi, but Kozilek, Butcher of Truth does have other use in the deck, and I would argue is better with a pumped Animar than Tishana. It can be free if you need a wincon and have Ancestral Statued Animar, Soul of Elements to infinity and beyond and just need to win, but don't have much more mana, Kozi is free, also with Survival of the Fittest you can fetch him and discard him to reshuffle your yard back in if you couldn't otherwise get back a card. Due to the discard being the cost, you could then fetch out a card that was in your graveyard when you fetched, making a really cool Primal Command effect for and a Survival of the Fittest.

Arguing Tishana can be fetched with Fierce Empath is fair, no arguement here, and it is even a decent option, but Imperial Recruiter has a ton of much better options, like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recruiter fetching Deceiver Exarch and winning the game. I can't think of a game I have ever played with Animar in which I wished I had a tishana to fetch with Imperial Recruiter. But yes, it isn't technically wrong.


The last thing I want to cover was one of your first points, about the lack of outlets to win with Ancestral Statue, with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Walking Ballista being the outlets of choice, if you have found problems tutoring tehm out, try also running Reckless Fireweaver. It doesn't combo with Man-o'-War or Shrieking Drake, but is still very useful.

Daedronus on Ancestral Animar

4 days ago

Love your list! Very finely tuned build here. Appreciate your comments and explanations of cuts.

Would love your input on a few tweaks I've found vastly help Animar run smoother.

Burgeoning, especially in a multiplayer game, is truly phenomenal. In your opening hand, you can untap on turn 2 with 3 or 4 lands in play. Do you find it's not worth the slot?

Venser, Shaper Savant - I replaced Man o War with this, mostly because it interacts with spells, has flash, and still does what Man o War does. UU is a bit harder, granted.

My meta is definitely not as cEDH as yours! But your Animar has risen to the challenge. Keep up the good fight.

Ganon7dorf on U/W Enduring Prison

1 week ago

Interesting, worth a look for sure. Sandwurm and Havoc greatly increase the kill clock. Normally Overwhelming Splendor plus Form of the Dragon accomplishes what sandwurm does from a protection standpoint though since the flying is removed from creatures. Plus it makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing it has the added benefit of protecting me from a cast Ulamog or other creatures with etb triggers that can bounce my enchantments ie Venser, Shaper Savant and even acts as stony silence for those Ostones, ratchet bombs, Eng explosives. I’ll test your suggestions out though, havoc festival as a quicker clock that can bypass leyline looks fun. Lunar force looks interesting too, but I find that I don’t want too many mistveils in the deck and they aren’t reliable enough to have on the spot to protect against enchantment removal where a dovescape carpet bombs all spells every turn(other than abrupt decay but that’s what Nevermore is for)

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