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Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Planeswalker — Nixilis
+2: Each opponent loses 1 life. You gain life equal to the life lost this way.
-2: Put a 5/5 black Demon creature token with flying onto the battlefield. You lose 2 life.
-8: You gain an emblem with ", Sacrifice a creature: You gain X life and draw X cards, where X is the sacrificed creature's power."
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath can be your Commander.
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Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath Discussion
2 months ago
Thank you for your time and your detailed answer! It has been very helpful.
My question regarding the mana elfs came up, because I am playing with the german highlander banlist (http://www.highlandermagic.de)
Our meta is diverse with different and changing archetypes, but I haven't seen a GB Rock around so far. Anyhow, I currently face Ux Control (Izzet, Azorius) and RDW in approx. every third match. Overall I have quite good results against the creature style midrange decks and can beat RDW. Now I want to work on the weaknesses.
Running one or two mana elfs seemed to me like an okay replacement. However, I am not sure if they'll stay longer. I just don't see replacement options for the Mox's at the moment.
I don't consider Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond, because I feel like the speed isn't really worth the card disadvantage in this archetype. I have tried different numbers of mana elfs. These work better in midrange creature decks (like Jund, Abzhan, 4c Goodstuff), where curving into 4-drop in turn 3 and then protecting your board state is the key (or in elfball decks etc.).
If you have a good advise on the replacement question, I'll be happy to hear it!
Everyone keeps telling me it's crazy not to play Deathrite Shaman, but in the end I came to the same conclusion. I prefer more solid and reliable ramp, lifegain and even graveyard hate. Some players add ABU duals just for using the flexible options of the Shaman, but I haven't really missed him so far. Personal preferences, I guess.
I can also confirm your rating of the planeswalkers, even if still kinda undecided. Vraska, Relic Seeker is out for me, too. Nissa, Vital Force was okay, but mostly ended using the +1 ability with no additional board presence. Garruk Wildspeaker is better in the previously mentioned midrange creature style decks. Sadly, he makes tokens with the -1 ability, so still unsure about him. Since the purpose of Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath is creating sustainable board presence, maybe Grave Titan could fit the role. He is one mana slower, but it's 10 power for 6 mana and provides a more aggressive strategy. After three rounds, Grave Titan and Zombies have attacked for 42 life, Ob Nixilis for 15.
I am curious to see what changes you'll make in the future.
Last but not least, I will most likely include Thrun, the Last Troll to improve the matchups against Ux control decks. Unfortunately, he has no direct ETB impact. Still, Thrun is hard to handle for other control decks and he was okay for me so far.
2 months ago
Thank you for sharing your great deck! It is fun to play.
I've had harder times against blue-based control and especially against fast combo decks, like Storm. Both are widely played in my meta. Have you faced similar issues?
Why are you ommitting Deathrite Shaman? He is certainly not a reliable mana source. However, the Shaman offers great versatility and creates value every turn.
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath basically he provides a 5/5 flying demon, which is great, but in most cases that is all he does. I found his other modes a bit underperforming. Why do you prefer him over the alternative options, that you have cut like Garruk Wildspeaker and Nissa, Vital Force? Vraska, Relic Seeker could be an option, but for 6 mana she is a bit slow, since the +ability does not provide reasonable advantage to push for the win.
3 months ago
I'd love to see him in a commander set or something like that. Maybe if they redo planeswalker commanders again, like with Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath and friends
4 months ago
4 months ago
Hey there as promised earlier, here are my suggestions. I will suggest what to take out and possible replacements for each.
(Take out these)Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Kiora, Master of the Depths,Mystic Barrier, Isperia, Supreme Judge, Dictate of Karametra, Jace, the Living Guildpact, Creeping Renaissance, Garruk Relentless, Praetor's Counsel, Spreading Plague, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, Sorin, Grim Nemesis, Primal Surge, Citadel Siege, Jace, Memory Adept.
Also in terms of lands remove: Elfhame Palace, Orzhov Guildgate, Selesnya Guildgate, Tranquil Expanse, Golgari Rot Farm, Selesnya Sanctuary, Azorius Chancery. I could suggest a lot more like Thornwood Falls among others but I feel your wanting to keep the land base fairly budget still correct?
Now let me suggest some replacements...
Cyclonic Rift, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, Supreme Verdict, Anguished Unmaking, Sphere of Safety, Norn's Annex, No Mercy, Sol Ring, Astral Cornucopia, Fellwar Stone, Gilded Lotus, Spike Weaver, Exploration / Burgeoning, Venser, the Sojourner, Merciless Eviction, Skyshroud Claim, Mana Reflection, Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Forbidden Orchard, Mana Confluence, Murmuring Bosk, Path to Exile, Swan Song, Disallow, Catastrophe, Mystical Tutor, and Demonic Tutor.
I better cut this to an end here, as I still got to look at your other decklists. But if you are wondering about any of my suggestions here / and or what to add if any from among my suggestions then just let me know!
4 months ago
Cards that I struggle to see the relevance of:Dictate of Karametra seems bad to me, you don't play many instants so after 1 game your opponents will begin to see it coming and it only gives you a small advantage at first, your opponents can likely take a lot more advantage of it than you.
Elspeth, Knight-Errant seems like a very weak planeswalker and could easily be removed in order to facilitate better support.Garruk, Primal Hunter also seems weaker, his only relevant effect on landing being to make you a 3/3 which will get steam rolled by any creature strategy.
Gideon, Champion of Justice is terrible isn't it?How often do you find Kiora, the Crashing Wave to be a waste of 4 mana to prevent 1 source's damage?Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath is fairly irrelevant, you drop him and gain a teeny bit of life or get a 5/5 token but reduce his loyalty to ping-range or wait for an irrelevant emblem.The remaining planeswalkers are all okay or at least obviously usable when they drop or if they attain critical mass. Speaking of which, there are obvious upgrades that are missing here.Doubling Season, you just have to play this card. You can't not play this card in EDH superfriends if you have green access. It sets up planeswalkers to instant-ult and doubles tokens you produce to block with.Rings of Brighthearth means every planeswalker ability gets doubled. Unfortunately this does not double the counters added.
You could go harder into token doublers with Primal Vigor,Parallel Lives, and Anointed Procession, which might give you enough blockers over time to start building the justice league.If you are going instead to preventing damage to planeswalkers you need cards like:Moat, Magus of the Moat, Humility, Sphere of Safety, Contagion Clasp, Contagion Engine, maybe Privileged PositionYou need more tutors. Planeswalker-specific or not. Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor for a start.It's usually good in blue to have one or two instant-speed responses like counterspells. The most relevant one I can think of is Fuel for the Cause although it's not a great one anyway. You seem like you have board control fairly well locked. This is probably your only answer to cards like Merciless Eviction or the new red spell from Ixalan I forget. Also, since you're always wiping the board and filling everyone else's graveyard why not run a Rise of the Dark Realms as an alternate win-con?
Obvious missing planeswalkers:If you choose to run very few creatures who are all extremely relevant, the duel deck Ajani, Valiant Protector actually acts as a pseudo-tutor for them, which could be very relevant with deepglow skate.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver can remove some serious threats, make players more wary about reorganizing the top of their library, and potentially net you blockers, dorks, etc. if it sticks. The ult is a win-con.
Elspeth Tirel can create token blockers, can setup to ult the following turn as a boardwipe, incidental life gain if you are going hard with tokens.
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar similar to Elspeth he makes tokens but his ult is more relevant to building a token-defensive board state, can be used right away, and if he sticks around he can beat face for damage while gaining loyalty. Rotating out of standard so he will be cheaper now.Jace Beleren, less of a "I win card" but less likely to be shot down right away in a political meta. Everyone drawing a card doesn't draw attention, and you can selectively choose to replace him in your hand with the minus as well if you just want to "cycle" him. The ult is fairly irrelevant so you can basically treat this as a semi-permanent draw engine.
If you upgrade your land base and throw in an urborg/cabal coffers combination you should go for Liliana of the Dark Realms since she can tutor for dual types, turn your swamps into super-engines and act as a removal for even indestructibles if you get there.Nissa, Vastwood Seer can also be good, she gives you land drop, she's relevant if you draw her late and flip her, you can potentially get tricky and flip her using lands like Evolving Wilds after you block an opponent, and her flip side provides ramp/filtration, a token blocker, or potentially a board of 6/6 creatures. also she re-enters so works with doubling seasonTamiyo, the Moon Sage can protect itself somewhat, or remove a threat on board which can politically let you leverage your opponents. Against creature-wide strats can draw you a full hand worth and its ult is very hard to fight against.
Teferi, Temporal Archmage combos with Chainveil if you replay it same turn and you NEED THIS ULT.Tezzeret the Seeker tutors for sol ring, nuff said.
Venser, the Sojourner resets your other planeswalker loyalties, I mean seriously flicker is always good. The ult acts as almost a win con.
Moi expensivo:Your mana base should be fetches and duals, enough said.Jace, the Mind SculptorKarn LiberatedUgin, the Spirit DragonLiliana of the VeilThe AbyssCaptain Sisay since all planeswalkers are retro-actively legendary.
4 months ago
Being Legendary isn't the only requirement for Commanders.
They need to be Legendary CREATURES.
Unless stated otherwise on the card, such as with Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath.
4 months ago
Thank you for the suggestions, these look interesting! Unfortunately, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast and Test of Endurance are a bit outside my price range, but I'll keep them in mind. Also, Pontiff of Blight could be good, but I think it's a bit too mana-intensive to go in the deck for now.
Good suggestion on reducing the number of Sorin planeswalkers in the deck, some of them aren't as good in the deck. Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath and Repercussion are both great, not sure how I overlooked them, but they're definitely going in now. Sunforger and Mistveil Plains both seem good, as well, but I am slightly concerned about the fact that I only have 5 targets for it.