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Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Legendary Creature — Dryad
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness. 1GW, T: Populate
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Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Discussion
1 day ago
I adore Trostani, Selesnya's Voice as a commander. This was one of my own first "good" commander decks and can be made very powerful on a pretty low budget. I'll name off some of the best cards for the deck here.
Phyrexian Processor: This is just stupid good. Wait until you have 8 open mana and your commander in play. Cast this card, and once it resolves pay almost all of your life into it (leave just enough not to get burnt out at instant speed, just in case). Then immediately activate the ability, generating a massive token and gaining back all the life you just spent instantly. You now have access to a 30+/30+ token that you can populate or generate a new one from the artifact every turn, gaining you a ton of life as well. Congrats, you pretty much can't die to combat damage except from commanders anymore.
Angelic Accord / Crested Sunmare : Gain life from something, make a token with a nice keyword at the end of the turn and gain extra life. Populate that token during your opponent's turn to gain more life, and get another token from this card at the end of that turn as well. This should churn out about 2 good tokens between each of your turns not including what you get from populating, quickly getting out of hand.
Darien, King of Kjeldor: Whenever you get hit, you get that many tokens. Whenever you make tokens, you gain life equal to their toughness. You now can not take damage unless it kills you in a single hit, and people running into you anyways gains you tokens.
Storm Herd: I'm usually in the camp of "Go tall tokens" with Trostani, but this card is the exception. Nothing ends a game like 40+ flying tokens and doubling your life total.
Aetherflux Reservoir: It's a good idea to have a backup win strategy, especially if you have any turbo-fog or other pillow fort decks in your meta. Pay 50 life to kill an opponent if very doable with Trostani.
Ajani Goldmane: Gaining a couple life isn't a threat. Making your tokens bigger and vigilant is situationally good, but isn't why we're here. Getting to 6 loyalty ang generating a token that's power and toughness fluxuates with your life total means you get to double your life total and the power/toughness of all these tokens every time you populate. Just try to fly under the radar before that.
Rootborn Defenses: Get an extra populate trigger, but more importantly save yourself from a board wipe. Keep your big tokens in play, and kill everyone in a single shot while the shields are down.
1 day ago
Avacyn, Angel of Hope doesn't seem super on theme or really that useful. I mean, yeah, it's really good. But it's also 8 mana and for 8 mana I feel like you should be winning the game. Not just protecting your 1/1s or whatever you have out.
Pallid Mycoderm, Rot Shambler, Savage Thallid, Sporecrown Thallid, Sporemound, Sporesower Thallid, and Sporoloth Ancient. I think all of them are either overcosted for what they offer, or don't offer enough. I think the best out of these is Sporemound, but I'm not sure it's good enough. You don't really ramp all that hard, and you'll have so many 1/1s anyway that I don't think it'll matter if you get a couple extra. I think these could all be replaced by more 'value' oriented cards.
Verdant Force is simply overcosted. Remove.
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is out of place. Populating a 1/1 for 3 mana and a tap is a bad feeling, and gaining 1 life from each is trivial and could be done with Suture Priest or any soul sister (and better too). Also Trostani's mana cost is steeper than it seems (from experience).
Fungal Plots is just kinda weak. I'm super against self-gy hate, and this is no exception. You're paying 4 mana and a card for a 1/1, and then you can maybe sac 2 more creatures for some life and a draw. There are much better options for card advantage AND tokens (I'll get into it later).
Intangible Virtue is out of place. An army of 2/2 vigilance's isn't amazing, especially because your saprolings WANT to die (to slimefoot and Blood Artist and others), so tapping to attack isn't an issue. You already have other, better, team buffs so I don't really think this fits.
Night Soil is just kinda meh. It's a tougher restriction than it seems (both from the same yard).
Along with this, I don't like Necrogenesis in general, but at least it gy-hates opponents and is something you can do if you have mana left up. An early cut if you still wanna cut some stuff, but fine to leave.
Primal Vigor can backfire hard. I don't think it's worth tbh. Also the mana cost is steep for something that doesn't do anything by itself.
True Conviction is just super out of place, and that mana cost is super rough. Absolutely cut. If you were gonna have a mana cost with WWW, it's gonna be Avacyn (but it's gonna be neither).
Verdant Embrace is just too costly for what it does and what you need. If it was like 3 mana and didn't give the +3/+3, that would work, but as is it's too costly and you'll almost certainly not get a lot of value from it because people will murder the creature it's on immediately.
Honestly, I've never liked Second Harvest. It's a terrible card if you're losing and if you cast it and win, you probably would've already won anyway. It seems like win-more to me. Most cards that do nothing on their own I think are kinda meh.
I have no idea how to feel about Vona's Hunger. I'd consider removing just because if you're using this to clear a board, they're gonna keep their best shit anyway, and this is pretty trash against other token decks. The mana cost and instant speed is a nice +, but I'm not sure it's enough here.
You have a lot of lands. I like running fewer lands (35) but having about ~10 sources of ramp. I'll try to figure some out as we progress.
Fungal Sprouting does nothing on it's own and I am having a tough time envisioning it being really useful. Getting 5 1/1s is great for Ghave, but for 4 mana and sorcery speed, I feel you could be doing more. It's fine for now, but consider it an early cut if needed.
Glare of Subdual. This is a tough one. On the one hand, tapping down the voltron player (Seth's cats or my dragons or Zac's Tuvasa) is super dope. On the other hand, tapping is not removal and it relies on you having a creature to spare to tap. It's also 4 mana. I'd probably remove. If it was 1WG, I'd think it was good.
I strongly recommend not having more than 8 enchantments. You have 16 right now and that's just too many without some heavy enchantment recursion.
Okay. We got through it boys. Let's go to our suggestions and recommendations. This next section will include cards in your maybe board that I think are good and should go to mainboard.
Anafenza, the Foremost, because who doesn't like incidental GY hate on an aggressively costed body. 3 mana for a 4/4 that GY hates is something that your opponents need to answer, and more often than not their removal will be worth more to them than Anafenza is worth to you.
Elenda, the Dusk Rose is a card I've always wanted to work and this might be it. Being able to sac a huge board and then herself seems like great value. The issue with Elenda is that she can be exiled, but your commander is a sac outlet which protects against that. I think she could be a powerhouse in this deck ESPECIALLY because her tokens have lifelink. Never underestimate lifelink on tokens.
Juniper Order Ranger is just gravy. 5 mana for a boi that gets progressively larger and boosts your board is something that needs to be answered to. This will either force a boardwipe or spot removal and honestly either a win for you.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty is good. Really good. I don't think it's bad to put it in this deck.
Retribution of the Ancients is super interesting and could be a powerhouse. I'm inclined to include it as instant speed removal that works on indestructible things at a minimum cost to yourself seems very good. Sure, you'll be using 3-5 counters each time, but ideally that won't be an issue since. Also it's at a mana cost price you just can't do better than.
Everything from maybeboard I didn't mention is a no.
End of Maybeboard Recommendations
Uhh, where's my babe Elspeth, Sun's Champion at?? 6 mana for either a conditional boardwipe that won't hit you that often, or for 3 token bois seems like a good deal. And if you manage to ult, you win. No one can stop a flying army of 3/3s.
Eldrazi Monument. We already talked about it but just wanna have it written down here.
Pir, Imaginative Rascal. Fucking gravy. Works with Ghave super well but also Elspeth and also your dudes who put spore counters on themselves. This is a must include. I'm kind of surprised he wasn't already in the list tbh.
Fecundity can be absolutely nutty. Sure, it helps your opponents, but it is very unlikely it'll help them more than it helps you. Also a may trigger so it won't hurt you if you don't want it to.
Dark Prophecy is also insane, tho the self damage could become hazardous. I'll recommend some things to combat this as the card is a powerhouse, even with the BBB mana cost. Remember, being at 5 life and winning is the same as being at 40 life and winning.
Loyal Guardian is a new card which could do work. Early cut, but I'll put it here if you need to fill out your creatures.
Heroic Intervention is the single best protection spell in green. It's basically a green Teferi's Protection for your turn and it cannot be overstated how good it is at the right time. It is the difference between "I win next turn" and "Man nice boardwipe, GG." And for 2 mana too. It's bonkers. Must include.
Cryptolith Rite is disgusting. You've played slivers so you know how good Gemhide is. This is too. I think this is a must.
Zulaport Cutthroat is nice redundancy for your combo win and also nice incidental lifegain (which helps counteract Dark Prophecy's life cost).
Forgotten Ancient is bonkers. Will always become a threat and require removal. It's just good.
Hangarback Walker is solid. Dump whatever mana you have into it, gives you something to do EoT, and you'll almost always get the death trigger since your commander is a sac outlet.
Scavenging Ooze. Graveyard hate is good, and incidental synergy with counter is even better. Just a super efficient card and usually comes something that needs to be removed sooner rather than later. Using the ability as an instant in response to a 'return from graveyard' spell is a joy.
Abzan Charm is good at any point of the game. Removal, counters, card advantage. Maybe the best charm out of all of them. Cannot be overstated. This is a must include.
You have no boardwipes. What the hell. You need at least 4 in almost every deck, but you will be fine with 3 here since you have Elspeth and Dictate of Erebos. I recommend Day of Judgment, Merciless Eviction (best boardwipe ever printed ever), Austere Command (wipe everything but your 0 CMC tokens and you'll usually open a board up for swings) and Living Death. More on Living Death below.
Living Death is a pet card of mine. Mostly because of how bonkers it is. 5 mana for a boardwipe that makes everyone sac their hexproof/indestructible creatures, and then get's you everything you need back. Ideally you'll have something like Aura Shards or Dictate out as you cast this to thin your opponents board afterwards. Also, with Anafenza, Necrogenesis, Scavenging Ooze and Bojuka Bog, you should be getting more value back than anyone else consistently.
Dread Return is good. 4 mana to bring something back is the going rate and saccing 3 creatures to bring something back is double upside since more often than not saccing creatures is good. With Blood Artist that gains you 3 life and someone loses 3, with Fecundity or Dark Prophecy, you just drew 3 cards for FREE. Stupid.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is always always always a powerhouse. Clears the board and puts you absurdly far ahead in terms of board presence. If you have the money, put it in.
I know you're not huge on tutors, but Razaketh, the Foulblooded and Sidisi, Undead Vizier are good. Can help find answers or just combo pieces to close out a long game. If you only want one, put Razaketh because at the end of the day, an 8/8 flample for 8 is good.
Carrion Feeder is good because instant speed sac outlets with incidental counter value is good. Sac a creature, get a counter, remove counter to get another creature is good. Essentially, with Fecundity/Dark Prophecy, Ghave, and Carrion Feeder out, they read "Pay 1 mana, draw a card" and that's good. Add in Blood Artist and it's even better, and add in Pir and Ashnod's and you win. 5/6 card combos are still combos. Also Carrion is a 1 mana sac outlet and that's really good.
Requiem Angel is a card I've always wanted to use but never found the place. This might be it, chief. Essentially doubling your token count for ability activations and sac triggers, plus turns your measly 1/1 saps into 1/1 fliers, which is a huge boost.
I'd remove Aura Mutation and replace it with both Putrefy and Mortify. The reason is that I often find myself holding onto Aura Mutation hoping to get good value from it, but oftentimes I should just use it on a 2 drop enchantment like Cryptolith Rite or something. Mortify and Putrify also double as modal cards, making them never a dead card if you draw them.
You need more ramp. There is no way around it. But you need more. Cultivate, Kodamas, Nature's Lore, Farseek, etc etc. No mana rocks besides Sol Ring. You're green, use it. You could also run things like Primal Druid that give value when they die, since this is a sacrifice deck. I'd scryfall "dies/enter search library land battlefield" and choose your favorite.
Mindless Automaton just seems fun. Depending on how easy it is to put counters on stuff, this may work. Early cut for sure.
Thats all I got for now. I'll comment again if I think of more.
5 days ago
Chickenekcihc that would be good but this is a commander deck so i can have only one of Trostani, Selesnya's Voice anyway. I also am not planning on adding any sort of copying creature spells.
5 days ago
1 week ago
You could try a Trostani, Selesnya's Voice token deck. I built mine with the populate mechanic in mind, so it focuses more on quality tokens rather than the quantity of tokens. You can also abuse cards like Phyrexian Processor, as well as embalm creatures like Angel of Sanctions.
Here's a link to my Trostani decklist: Trostani's Populace
Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons is also a cool deck. Use neg counter removal spells and abilities and amass an army of deathtouching snakes. It's really easy to rebuild after sweepers too.
Here's a link to my Hapatra decklist: Hapatra Neg Counters
The deck has some combos in it, but in practice they are hardly ever used.
They're both 2-colour decks, so the mana bases can be cheap. I think both lists are around the $200 mark.
2 weeks ago
Since I cannot really comment on lands yet because there may be changes, here is a list of possible cards you may want to look into:
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, Hour of Reckoning, Beastmaster Ascension, Wayfaring Temple, Eldrazi Monument, Craterhoof Behemoth, Mirror Entity, Master of the Wild Hunt, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Teferi's Protection, Return to Dust, Sylvan Reclamation, Overrun, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Glare of Subdual, Primal Vigor
1 month ago
So, when played after Trostani, Selesnya's Voice they gain you 8 life, and every token that enters after is bigger.
Infinite life is a thing in UpperDeckerTacos situation, and whatever your sac outlet is doing could be beneficial.
The gain your permanents back thing is primarily for those Aikido style EDH decks that don’t want you to do what you’re doing. IMO at least. It’s much harder to play Trostani, Selesnya's Voice without your commander...
It just seems like one of those dollar bin cards that won’t be relevant to most people most of the time. I don’t feel like I’d even be excited for it in Limited, other than as a Glorious Anthem. The art is nice though.
1 month ago
Whoah...these seem pushed
and not sure how good this will be, but it is sure interesting:
And here's Trostani. Probably not as good as Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, but she still seems interesting.
Also, I haven't seen them mentioned much here, but the cycle of 2-2 creatures (i.e. ) look pretty powerful.
So after one week of spoilers and half of the set spoiled, I gotta say, this set is looking pretty awesome. Most of the rares and all of the mythics (besides the Phoenix) look great in limited. Likewise, there seems to be an ample amount of power at the uncommon level. Every mechanic seems to be supported well so far. Lastly, commander got some cool new goodies and important reprints! Lets hope that the next half of the set keeps up the trend.