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Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Legendary Creature — Praetor
At the beginning of your end step, draw seven cards.
Each opponent's maximum hand size is reduced by seven.
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Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur Discussion
5 days ago
This deck is nearly perfect, but there's just a few areas of weakness that demand immediate attention.
First off, I would remove the following cards: Abrupt Decay, Angel's Grace, Anguished Unmaking, Animate Dead, Arcane Denial, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Badlands, Bayou, Birds of Paradise, Blood Crypt, Bloodstained Mire, Brainstorm, Breeding Pool, Chromatic Lantern, Chrome Mox, City of Brass, Command Tower, Cultivate, Cyclonic Rift, Dance of the Dead, Deathrite Shaman, Decree of Pain, Delay, Demonic Tutor, Enter the Infinite, Exploration, Farseek, Fellwar Stone, Fist of Suns, Flooded Strand, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, In Garruk's Wake, Intuition, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Laboratory Maniac, Lotus Cobra, Maelstrom Wanderer, Mana Confluence, Mana Crypt, Marsh Flats, Merciless Eviction, Misty Rainforest, Mox Diamond, Myojin of Night's Reach, Myojin of Seeing Winds, Mystic Remora, Mystical Tutor, Nature's Claim, Nature's Lore, Negate, Omniscience, Oracle of Mul Daya, Overgrown Tomb, Painful Truths, Polluted Delta, Praetor's Counsel, Progenitus, Rhystic Study, Rise of the Dark Realms, Savannah, Scalding Tarn, Scrubland, Sensei's Divining Top, Show and Tell, Skyshroud Claim, Sol Ring, Steam Vents, Stomping Ground, Storm Herd, Survival of the Fittest, Swan Song, Swords to Plowshares, Sylvan Library, Taiga, Tainted Pact, Temple Garden, Terastodon, Three Visits, Time Stretch, Toxic Deluge, Tropical Island, Tundra, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Underground Sea, Vampiric Tutor, Verdant Catacombs, Volcanic Island, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Watery Grave, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, and Zacama, Primal Calamity.
There's really nothing you could replace these cards with that would make this deck competitive, so I'd recommend just stopping here. Good work.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
The reason I am not running Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is really because of the burden it puts on Ad Nauseam and Dark Confidant. Also, there was never a time I would tutor for that card or try and search for it when I could be doing the same thing for Wanderwine Prophets. It is a really good card, no doubt, but I do not think it deserves a spot in this list.
3 weeks ago
You decisions all make sense to me. I think the sceptor package is better in faster metas but if yours is slower and not abundant with graveyard hate the reanimation package makes sense. As you say, if you go this route then a Palinchron package is better!
I didn't realise before but you're right, your blue card density is a little lower than mine. I have actually never had Force in hand and not be able to cast for the alternative cost. I would think your density is still high enough to make it worth it but maybe that needs testing. If you do go reanimator the density will probably go up as well so thats something to consider...
I think I would favour Putrefy over Go for the Throat it's harder to cast and more expensive but a lot more versatile. That said, you already run Krosan and Nature's claim so maybe you don't need it. If giving away tokens doesn't end up mattering for you then you could also use Pongify as an efficient solution.
As for the specific questions:
1) Ok for transformation, I recommend something similar to me where it's not all in but a decent and tight package that when combined with tutors in the deck is very reliable if you want to go that route in a game.
I think the single best reanmiation target right now is Nezahal, Primal Tide, followed by Consecrated Sphinx. You don't really need to run both of these tbh, I have just always liked having both. For a long time I was running Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and he was great. I actually had him turn one once or twice which was brutal! I am currently also testing razaketh, the foulblooded , will let you know how that goes!
The other important consideration is how you get the cards in to the graveyard. Having some discard outlets is important on top of Tasigur's ability. Sultai Charm, Fact or Fiction, Windfall and Nezahal are great for this, so you're probably ok on that front for now. I also run Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, he is great for some filtering and recursion but I often use him to pitch a reanimation target also.
There are some other specific things to think about but I think this is enough to test how you like it and then you can decide if you want to pull the trigger fully.
So 7 cuts for those. We can instantly cut two in the Sceptor package, so that leaves 5. I would cut at least 2 - 3 lands? It seems like a lot but 39 is very high right now. If you're dropping the sceptor package and in a slower competitive meta there are arguments to be made for dropping one or two of the mana dorks but that's a personal call I think. Otherwise my initial preference would be for the Time Warp and/or Phryrexian Arena but as you said they have served you well!
2) I ended up trading it out for Trickbind, I found I have enough other counters in the deck that I don't mind losing the flexibility of this effect. I was almost always using it to counter triggered and activated abilities anyway and Trickbind is just so much better at this. Cheaper, easier to cast, split second and also stops repeated activations for that turn (those last two are huge!).
And it was no trouble to look over. It made me realise some missing pieces in my list so it has been double useful! I look forward to hearing how you get on with the deck as you play it more!
3 weeks ago
Why are you not running some of the larger reanimation targets like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, since you are already pretty high cmc for an Ad Nauseam deck, why don't you just go heavier in the reanimation area. This way you can leverage more of your reanimation spells with better targets.
3 weeks ago
Kitchen table is all about building toward your particular meta, and making sure you do not vastly exceed the meta’s power level.
To that end, while ban lists are a good indicator of whether the card is too powerful for the meta, they are not the only factor to consider. Overall, I would argue the deck the card goes in is more important. To provide two examples from my kitchen table:
One deck runs multiple copies of Necropotence, a card justifiably restricted in Vintage. However, this deck wins by a complex, convoluted combo, so even with one of the best draw engines in the game, it still has a speed relative to the other decks.
Compare to a casual graveborn deck I built for my kitchen table, which ran four copies of Dark Ritual, a card that is neither banned nor restricted. However, that deck could consistently field a turn one Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, shutting down the entire game. Not particularly fun to play against, and I rememoved the deck from my lineup.
If you want more useful rules than “play it by ear,” here are a couple simple ones to follow:
Avoid hyper-efficient draw engines, unless your deck has a very slow combo (3+ pieces) as the win condition, and little other interaction.
Avoid hyper-efficient mana sources. Even if you have a high curve, stick to other, less efficient mana generators - Dark Ritual, Sol Ring, Mox Diamond, etc. generally put you too far ahead in a casual game.
Perhaps this goes without saying, but avoid the Power Nine, ante cards, and Shahrazad. On the other hand, you can probably get away with dexterity cards, which are also banned in every format, though I might ask your other players first.
Avoid spending vastly more money on cards than the rest of your meta, not only because this can breed resentment, but also because it is a decent indicator of power level. This goes the same for individual cards - if you spend $20 on a single card, where most players spend up to $5, even if the overall cost of your deck might be the same as other players’, this can still cause issues.
Try to keep your mana base in-line with other players. If everyone else is using lands that enter the battlefield tapped, it’s probably not a good idea to show up with a bunch of fetch/shock lands.
I think that covers all the basic rules for building for the kitchen table. Hope some of that helps.
4 weeks ago
Delta-117, your post is nothing but impressive. 75 minutes is alot of time to dedicate to a single post. Thank you.
Back in 2016, I wanted to acquire an Atraxa deck for myself, but unfortunately she was completely sold out everywhere. I had to settle for Breya, Etherium Shaper and Yidris, Maelstrom Weilder. Fast forward to 2018, and at a new LGS I spotted an Atraxa precon just sitting in the window. I asked if she was for sale, and ended up trading a Engineered Explosives and paying roughly 20ish bucks I think. I was lucky, because I wasn't the only person interested. I really wanted to build a deck surrounding the Praetors, because well...they're just really cool cards. I picked up a few at another LGS...but for this deck? I had plans.
Also, yes playing this deck is alot like archenemy. I am quickly voted Persona non grata, and the whole table quickly swoops in to destroy and dismantle all of my tools...while other less "scary" decks establish better boardstates, and eventually dominate the table into submission. Every game needs a villain, and I happily fill that role. And at the very least I have fun with it. I can't help but joke when I infect the whole table.
LANDS: The bond lands are cool and all, I just feel hesitant to include non-typed duals. Also the drawback is that those lands are duds if I ever play a 1v1 game. Admittedly it'd be rare when that happens, but it is definitely a possibility. Also,they can't be tutored. I'll admit the manabase is far from perfect, but i'll do some thinking (using your suggestions of course) and revise the list. What's funny is that I have a physical copy of Inkmoth Nexus in the deck already, but it's not on the digital list lol. Thanks for pointing that out.
Steady Progress is there primarily to keep tempo and increase poison counters on players, and drawing an extra card before the beginning of a turn is always a win. Now, Reliquary Tower is pretty niche. My deck doesn't get me a lot of draw unfortunately (something i'm working on), and the rare chance that Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur stays on the board long enough to really make Tower relevant...would be a surprise to me. I have a 2019 Reliquary Tower promo of it in my trade binder, I think i'll hold onto it and maybe do some experimenting.
Gavony Township seems like a really cool include. Given that most infect creatures need an increase in power and toughness placing +1/+1 counters on all of them in one fell swoop could be just the solution i'm looking for. I'll find a way to include it in the list.
CREATURES: I have a Phyrexian Swarmlord, just been trying to figure out how to work it into the deck. Corpse Cur has definitely been something of a dud where there have been just so few valid targets to bring back from the grave. My only qualm is that the deck needs some form of recursion, but Phyrexian Swarmlord is the bomb that this deck definitely needs to have a strong board state in the late game. I'll go ahead with your suggestion of swapping out the Putrefy, and see what happens. As for Champion of Lambholt, given that +1/+1 counters will never take center stage i'm hesitant to include her despite the benefits of the evasion she provides. Blightsteel Colossus is cool. Really, really cool. On theme, and intimidating- however the high CMC (even for this deck) just makes it unappealing to me.
Your other suggestion of Conqueror's Flail offers good protection (at least on my turn) and can potentially pump my creature up to +4/+4. If I see one, i'll pick it up and experiment with it. Also, I took a look at both lists and both Become Immense, Vines of Vastwood, and Mutagenic Growth (the flavor!) all caught my eye. All cards are instant speed, and can definitely make a player who begrudgingly accepts 1 poison counter to get far more than they bargained for. I want to figure out what to cut in order to include these beauties. Now, for Spellskite I like it. Full of flavor, and would be potentially a great albeit temporary defense. I just don't know what to cut for it. But the suggestion of Hatred really gave me pause. That's cool. It's applicable both early and late game...and can potentially end a player immediately for a fee of 9 to 17 life. Nobody would see it coming and it would be brutal. I'll definitely see if I can pick one of those up.
So on the topic of planeswalkers...I briefly considered including a Karn of some sort...but they deviate too far from theme. Honestly, I'm not really much of a fan of the mechanic. I have a few decks that have some Planeswalkers in them...but i feel really meh towards them. Just meh. Doubling Season would be great if this were a superfriends deck, but that is definitely something I want to stay away from. I'm just not a fan of those builds. As to your question about that Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, the answer is yes. I have an actual copy of that card. Long story short I was at my LGS playing EDH with a friend and I mentioned that I wanted a copy of that card, but it was 1 - very difficult to find, and 2 - very expensive. Then he just casually mentions that he had one - for trade no less. For a moment I was dumbfounded, but then he reminded me that he was a judge. Funny I didn't pay attention to that. So, with not a moment to spare I whipped out my trade binder and said "do your worst". The follow list below is what he picked up (it's a long one):
- Dragonmaster Outcast
- Siege-Gang Commander
- Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
- Wheel and Deal
- Voice of the Woods
- Nut Collector
- Pathbreaker Ibex
- Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip
- Mayael's Aria
- Wild Pair
- Enchantress's Presence
- Huatli, Radiant Champion
- Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
- Ghirapur Orrery
- Sharuum the Hegemon
- Phyrexian Altar
- Sword of the Paruns
- Teferi's Puzzle Box
- Scroll Rack
- Graveborn Muse
- Endless Ranks of the Dead
- Army of the Damned
- Mad Auntie
- And last, but certainly not least - $80 cash
1 month ago
Oh, since I forgot to respond to the first point you made Tyrant-Thanatos.
They had every right to be salty! It had no place at that particular kitchen table, which is dominated by complex combos and alternate win conditions (we're mostly Johnny players).