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Lady Orca Discussion
1 year ago
1 year ago
I think requesting a certain letter goes a bit against the spirit of the game. But, if you insist: Lady Orca, one of the few Common Legendary creatures ever printed.
2 years ago
I know. i only discovered that Kolaghan is a Lady reading the stories. Most of the time their gender it's not defined anyways, unless it is a legendary creature (Like Koly) and the other ones don't have the right colors for this deck: Dromoka, the Eternal and Atarka, World Render and i'm not sure about the ones from Invasion and Planar Chaos.
There's one demon that is a female: Lady Orca but she's... well...
3 years ago
DarkLaw, not totally, but there are people who have cEDH decks, so the competitive scene affects the way I see deck building. When you say you would be interested to build around MoIR, what does that mean? How does one build around him? How does he have more use than a cheaper creature that is also vanilla? Im generally interested! Also, there are more mono-red commanders better than MoIR than there are rakdos generals better than Orca. In terms of inspirability, even the art or the flavor or even the name can inspire a build. Lady Orca could be the general of a deck that is limited to only cards where the art depicts females more than males (except basics).
fadelightningmm, as with any question, if you construct a means to answer the question definitively, and those means are better than any other means suggested, then there could be an answer that is objectively best. Anthoussa can be used to get value out of cards than animate lands, cards that care about animated lands, and cards that can trigger heroic. That's without even mentioning how she can be used to be a legal commander for a powerful color identity, she can be used as a chump blocker on turn 5 or later, and she can be used to send signals to opponents to disguise a powerful deck. MoIR can do none of those things.
The question that comes up is this: is a commander's usefulness objectively defined or subjectively defined?
I believe the answer is subjective, because a use for anything isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. Can a paint brush be used to calm a horse? If you find a horse calmed by the paint brush, then yes. Can a paint brush be used to butcher a horse? Unless you can find a way to butcher a horse with a paint brush, no. Those particular scenarios seem silly, but they illustrate that all you need to find if an object has a particular use is find when that object fulfilled that use.
3 years ago
DarkLaw, I'd choose Lady Orca because I'd have more fun with a rakdos deck with an uncastable commander than a mono-red deck with a more uncastable commander since I'd be able to hold my own more easily in the game with better draw, better ramp, tutors, more board wipes, better spot removal, pillow fort, and more combos.
I agree, I don't want to keep arguing either, but I'd prefer even less to concede to the idea that commander usefulness is subjective after I've shown that there is a clear, objectively most useless commander. I don't want to be a jerk, I just think debates should come to a resolution where there is a clear winning side when possible, and I think this is one of those cases.
3 years ago
MagicalHacker Tbf even if I agreed at looking at color identity, I would say that Myojin is more useful than those countless vanillas from legends because, although the color are hardly easy to work with, it actually inspires a deck theme/strategy, and is therefore more likely to be used. Ignoring competitiveness (because that isn't all that commander is about), which commander would you rather run: Lady Orca or Myojin? I'd definitely take Myojin.
The main reason why the color-identity-counting-towards-the-usefulness-of-a-commander argument is such a Logic Knot is because language is. Being able to run more cards is definitely a commander benefit. But a deck is clearly otherwise independent from the commander. The deck does not change the commander's usefulness, and vice versa. So, then, it is certainly okay to argue that color identity matters, but then it is arguable whether or not the cards in the deck matters, and therefore whether or not color identity matters. Anyway, I am now officially tired of delving into the language of this discussion, and I just want to go back to hating cards from legends. Apart from Ragnar. Ragnar has a cool beard.
3 years ago
DarkLaw, I agree that he was talking about the commander, but the deck that is built and the commander affect each other, so their input are nearly inseparable. Just out of curiosity, if you were playing for money in a pod, and each player got to pick another player's commander, but commander only, but you couldn't know which player you were picking for, would you let your opponent have a rakdos deck with a useless commander or a mono-red deck with a useless commander? Would you let your opponent have a 7-drop 7/4 or a 10-drop 7/4? The choice seems obvious to me: Lady Orca and every multicolored legend are less useless commanders than Myojin of Infinite Rage because their decks would be better than MoIR's deck due to having multiple colors in it and making it stronger.
3 years ago
MagicalHacker I disagree. The person asked what the most useless commander is. My interpretation of this is that he was talking about the usefulness of the commander itself- it's power and what it synergises with, hence promoting a certain build of deck. If a person were to build a Lady Orca deck, then odds are, they aren't using the commander at all. They will just be using the deck, casting Lady Orca only if it is better than the alternatives, as it doesn't support any themes. Myojin of Infinite Rage, in contrast, would promote some crazy brewing in order to make it happen. This sort of commander actually does things, and a vanilla commander does not.
TLDR: I think that they are talking about the commander, not the deck.
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