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Legendary Creature — Atog
Sacrifice an Atog creature: Atogatog gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
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5 months ago
7 months ago
So I was going to build child of alara as an aristocrat thing but I got distracted by Atogatog instead...
The Flung King is the result of that distraction and I like the general idea of the deck but I think it could use some help before I put it together in paper.
Obviously the land base needs to be changed, I'll be doing that last.
It seemed to me the best way to take advantage of Atogs is to abuse the amount of power/toughness they can get and take advantage of things that die and come back over and over. I would like to keep that as the central idea going forward.
Thanks for your thoughts.
7 months ago
is pretty brutal if you wanna go down that path. Those 2 enchantments can go into the
build too if you want something more janky.
Other than that I agree with DAWT_PLAWT with going 3 colors or even going with the new Teysa Karlov . Just make sure you go at minimum black/white/x since those are the best aristocrat colors.
7 months ago
And I think I'm looking at Atogatog , Child of Alara , Horde of Notions , or Reaper King . I know Orzhov or Golgari would be more streamlined but I'm doing all colors so that people can taste the pain-bow :P
Horde of Notions is somewhat limited being so focused on elementals. That is however a creature type that comes out in almost every set. This is an example of how that deck might look Endless Notions. Being able to instantly have some of those ETBs could make for some interesting plays.
Reaper King seems like the most restrictive to build around as I would be trying to abuse his interaction with scarecrows. Sadly most of those creatures are mediocre... It is being considered only because I like how he looks.
Atogatog comes with about 10 atogs that all act as sac outlets allowing the rest of the deck to be aristocrat value stuff. Might be the oddest choice as aristocrats is really creatures that die for value and this would be everything dies for value.
Child of Alara is an interesting thought... She acts as a mass sac outlet and kills my opponents stuff off at the same time. A little hard to abuse in this kind of deck but sac her with Viscera Seer let everything die triggering Zulaport Cutthroat and then bring it all back with Rise of the Dark Realms . Also this is the one that allows the most freedom in design.
Any thoughts or suggestions for 5-color aristocrats from y'all?
8 months ago
NoOneOfConsequence your deck does have an impressive value engine No doubt about it. It is not viable at all though, because your interaction is too weak and filtering is too slow to ever survive until Shirei hits.
I play shirei, with those cards, in a casual deck. Don't act like you know me better than I do, with your "stop bashing cards you don't know" nonsense. Get over yourself.
My shirei build is one I have bought 3 times now, giving them to new players, with each costing me $24 and sharing the list online at Budget Shirei Aristocrats/Sacrifice.
It is a great casual commander to start with but isn't competitive viable, and a proper shirei build can be tier 3, while yours is tier 5 or below, because an Atogatog built poorly with the price tag of your deck could be magnitudes of power better. Okay?
9 months ago
Generally, those decks are weak Niv decks, using an effect like Keen Sense to be able to discard a land, to Lava Spike+draw. It isn't bad as a combo, just that you need some serious ramp, and the tutors in those colors aren't good for reaching the necessary consistency to even be tier 4, I don't see how it is better than an Atogatog list. Dang atogatog... It is probably better than most every tier 4 list though, so that might be an issue with him rather than Borb.
10 months ago
thegigibeast here are some of my thoughts on the matter, dunno if it helps!
Wait... Myojin of Seeing Winds is tier 5? That is the best Omni-Show deck in the format, being surprisingly powerful with proper gameplay, running as a controling sort of deck before dropping Omniscience and going all Super-Saiyan and drawing the deck and casting it all for free. It uses it because when you get Omni out you can cast your commander, then Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Snap, and Blink of an Eye it to hand and draw into more bounce and card draw to draw more bounce to bounce Myojin and keep storming off until it hits Enter the Infinite and wins. Surprisingly a really sweet list. Tier 4?
Also, Ragnar is Tier 5? That is the second best commander for creature-based bant stax decks, very close to Derevi. I mean, protecting the other creatures you run is really important, and Mother of Runes and Sylvan Safekeeper can't do a ton against sweepers like Austere Command, so Ragnar really helps the list. Tier 3 for me.
Ayesha Tanaka is a reasonably powerful commander for Azorius Stax, stopping many cards such as Basalt Monolith's untap, Grim Monolith's untap, Dramatic Reversal, Strionic Resonator, Aetherflux Reservoir, etc. Tier 4.
Dosan the Falling Leaf is a reasonably well-powered elf-ball commander, helping out stopping almost any interaction on combo-turn. It really is good, despite not being an elf, it is low-costed enough to be cast on turn two from a turn one elf, and easily go off turn three given little hate. Tier 3.
In tier 4... well there are a lot I disagree with:
Adun Oakenshield is a powerful midrange-combo commander, being good with Hermit Druid lines in a way most aren't. The line is a simple one, using Morselhoarder, Devoted Druid, Dread Return, Necrotic Ooze, and Walking Ballista, yet also is surprisingly powerful with the ability to use the commander to rebuild if the combo is disrupted, using Krosan Reclamation to bring cards back into the deck immediately and Riftsweeper to shuffle back in the Reclamation, the list also can use Adun to bring back key cards to attempt to recombo out the very next turn, given sufficient mana. Backup wincon in Survival of the Fittest/Protean Hulk/Apprentice Necromancer in case you can't access the druid. Tier 3 (Similar to Xira Arien in terms of as a card and power level).
Anafenza, the Foremost has been already discussed, and is much, much more powerful as a stax/hatebears commander than a load of currently much higher rated lists. Tier 2-3?
Dragonlord Dromoka is a commander that always surprises me as a really impressive commander for stax. It even has a relatively effective wincon in beatdown. Being able to stop interaction on your turn, laying out a thicker field of stax, every following turn, while also having a commander that is difficult to interact with (dependent on interaction) is really much stronger than people expect when they see the 6 cmc. Tier 3.
Eladamri, Lord of Leaves is another good option for elfball, leaving extremely little interaction. It can be targetted itself because it was errated, but it is a cheap, effective wall against targetted removal, and so should be considered more often in comparison to other lists. Tier 3 is my pick.
Heidar, Rimewind Master I have only seen once, and it didn't do amazingly, but after I looked at the list was a reasonable Dramatic Reversal Isochron Scepter list that uses all snow lands except for an Ancient Tomb using Scrying Sheets really well. The commander isn't amazing, but the interaction hitting nearly anything while being able to synergize with the countermagic suite the deck runs really seems good in the grindier games, in which it disables most other decks' combos for a turn or so if it sticks. Tier 3?
Linvala, Keeper of Silence is one of the better mono-white stax lists, along with Hokori, Dust Drinker, I would imagine they are better in the current metagame than most would expect. Tier 3 seems reasonable for both.
Masako the Humorless should be tier 5. I don't think this ability is useful at all in cEDH, and when we have Atogatog in tier 5, a commander that could replace many old Scions and Najeelas in the C-Zone and no one would notice in tier 1-2, this card shouldn't be considered tier 4.
I will write up lists for these if you want, but I think most speak for themselves.
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