Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Noncreature spells cost more to cast.
|Want (3)||zachi , AzraelChimera , Anahita|
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|Secret Lair (SLD)||Rare|
|Arena Cards (ARENA)||Rare|
|Masters 25 (A25)||None|
|Dark Ascension (DKA)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Discussion
1 week ago
I have been working crazy long hours recently so my play time at my LGS has taken a hit! However, the only 'main' problem I can see so far is that this deck is pretty mana hungry for making cheeky plays. As far as leaving up mana for Consumptive Goo or Rod of Ruin plays in tandem with Puppet Strings, Jandor's Saddlebags and Vhati, it can get costly. It is obvious that, with this being inspired by the B/G/x rock decks of old, we are very comfortable in the mid- late game. That is of course not to suggest we are bad in the early game either, we just do more as the games go on. Playing a criminally underrated Commander helps us as we are certainly NEVER the main focus at any table.
Notably (to probably, literally nobodies surprise) Seedborn Muse is the best play for this deck as fast as possible and is quite literally napalm stapled to a 2/4 body! Centaur Glade with Seedborn Muse and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa was pretty degenerate. Most of the decks I end up running into have a Taxes or Control type shell. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite does not hurt this deck as bad as you'd think and access to green lets us power thru most Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Grand Arbiter Augustin IV effects.
As for an upcoming 'Pre-Modern" styled deck, I am really intrigued by playing a 'Bleed Out' style deck with Ankh of Mishra, Manabarbs, Spellshock, Citadel of Pain and Sulfuric Vortex style jund deck. Commanders in the running's are Xira Arien or Adun Oakenshield to lead this idea! It's in the works :)
2 weeks ago
Really nice list, I love hatebears, heheh.
Unless you are particularly on a budget, I'd advise you to add some other bears, such as Alms Collector, Leonin Arbiter, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, and Glowrider.
Some of them are quite pricey though, I know, but with time this deck will become a force to be reckoned with!
2 weeks ago
@Jager43 thank you for the upvote and the suggestions. I do not think that Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Leonin Arbiter would be a good fit for this deck, as it is not really meant to be a Taxes deck. We also do not have cards like Path to Exile, Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin etc.. all of which make Leonin Arbiter the powerhouse he is in Modern.
Depending on the price development of Zendikar Rising, i will be looking to add Skyclave Apparition into the deck, as this would provide much needed removal.
Eldrazi Displacer is another card im looking at, as it would upgrade our removal, would allow us to reuse our ETBs etc. but that would require colourless lands and a general restructuring of the manabase. All of which seem hardly possible in a 20€ budget.
2 weeks ago
2 months ago
DeinoStinkus Honestly between that card (been tryna explain to people how stupid good it is, specifically the token part, the lands obviously make it an option, but the tokens make it great imo), Drannith Magistrate, Faeburrow Elder, Dovin's Veto, etc. I think white is simply going to change from the color you add for removal and a few hate pieces (Rest in Peace, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, etc.), now it will be a value color.
As is it already has a lot of new one-sided hate pieces, or draw engines like Mangara, the Diplomat (not saying it's a cEDH card, just pointing where white is heading), it already had Aven Mindcensor, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Silence, etc.
Adding in Drannith Magistrate and friends from newer sets and you can see high-value hatebears that compete on a whole new scale than older ones, giving tons of new staples to the format, and warping deck archetypes. Magistrate was so good it made Kess, the list that with Consult and Flash decks all over the format (pre-ban), it was tiered as high as Najeela and TnT (Kenrith wasn't around) as one of the top 3 decks, but after it was slotted into every deck it really hurt Kess, despite being mostly an answer to commander-focused decks.
Value in cards like Smothering Tithe and Keeper of the Accord changes the game a lot too, giving white a powerful splash color for decks just looking to play the most powerful threats. These cards can do insane things, and feel like white's equivalent to Seedborn Muses, Rhystic Studys, etc. Now I feel like red's Dockside Extortionist, while busted, just doesn't give as much value outside of storm and combo, and red just doesn't feel like it has a great long game, and white does.
I think that because red has gotten Conspicuous Snoop it is getting much better combos and with Goblin Recruiter being a one-card, easy win it shows red is still finding interesting synergies, I'd actually say that Black, White, and Red are getting closer.
RambIe I think it is pretty interesting to look at each color like I did above and it seems you and your friend did, but as power creeps up and up, I think the net result is that each of the colors becomes more powerful, and the end is that a 5c or 4c pile (As is I doubt TnT would ever be phased out) becomes the best deck, as we continue to see pushed 5c generals and the decks get more insanely based on just whatever the best cards are rather than synergies.
2 months ago
Leyline can be clunky in some decks but it has worked out quite well with my D&T and Enchantment prison decks. Getting a Lavinia, Azorius Renegade before the opponent starts the game is pretty strong. Game ending against many decks. Getting a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, Vryn Wingmare, or Sanctum Prelate our before the game begins can beat a lot of decks.
Leyline has particularly excelled in my enchantment prison lists as blue actually has a couple of really solid hateful enchantments in Energy Field and Arcane Laboratory. So the enchantment deck gets the benefit of powerful hateful enchantments, the ability to steal the play (along with Serum Powder), and the counters with blue support to hold off the combo decks.
I know some of my card selections are weird. The first oddball I ran into was Molten Psyche. Tendrils of Agony is a potent storm finisher but also incredibly vulnerable to Leyline of Sanctity. So whether you’d play Psyche versus Tendrils really comes down to what the format calls for. Mind Funeral is definitely another oddball that is honestly bad but the format positions itself to make Mind Funeral stronger than it ought to be. Null Rod isn’t a particularly busted card but the Vintage format recontextualizes it to be more powerful than it ought to be. I don’t think a deck is obligated to play Power 9 just because they are legal. I think the shift in power by removing the Restricted list changes the format on a fundamental level.
I’m not saying that Unrestricted Vintage wouldn’t be busted. But could it be manageable? I feel like mentioning opening the Restricted List gets dismissed and there’s little discussion about what the actual format would look like.
2 months ago
I like the group slug in combination with a pillowfort idea. Gisela's wording offers a pretty unique opportunity. Triggered effects that would deal 1 damage to you while she is on the board deal no damage to you instead, but double damage to opponents. Manabarbs, AEther Sting, Battle Strain, Burning Earth, Heat of Battle, Rampaging Ferocidon, City of Brass, Talisman of Conviction, Battlefield Forge are all cards that would have their negative effect negated if Gisela is on the field, while opponents would suffer more.
Ankh of Mishra, Psychogenic Probe, Eidolon of the Great Revel, Pyrostatic Pillar, Repercussion, Spellshock, Zo-Zu the Punisher would all be cards that have their negative effects mitigated with Gisela out and opponents would suffer a lot more.
You could complement this game plan with pieces like War's Toll, Caltrops, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Aura of Silence, Glowrider, Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst, Vryn Wingmare, Ghostly Prison, Windborn Muse to tax and slow them down while all the slug effects eat away at life totals.
I feel like there's quite a bit of space to be explored in this niche for Gisela.
2 months ago
Typically the deck doesn't struggle against Burn matchups, as it is a deck centered around life gain, so I did not find it necessary to include Leyline of Sanctity in the side board. The cards that end up being better for that are Mark of Asylum, which keep your creatures on the board through all their removal and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, which provides a threat that they have to deal with and attacks their resources instead.