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Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
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Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Discussion
on WHITE KNIGHT
1 day ago
Hi! Looking good so far! The major changes I would suggest are adding 3x Rest in Peace and 3x Stony Silence to your sideboard, probably in place of the Lightmine Fields and 2x Paladin en-Vec. Ghostly Prison is probably your best bet against aggro, so I'd definitely replace the Sphere of Safety in the maindeck with them, and have another 2 copies in the sideboard. Blessed Alliance is also good, and while not a Knight, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is probably your best bet against Storm. All in all, this is what I'd recommend for your sideboard:
- 3 Rest in Peace
- 3 Stony Silence
- 2 Ghostly Prison
- 3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
- 2 Blessed Alliance
- 2 Mirran Crusader
Plus, of course, the Ghostly Prisons in the maindeck. Unfortunately, this will probably make your deck significantly more expensive, but I think these changes are really important. Hope this helps!
4 days ago
Alright! So some suggestions in card's I have for you. Although I dont run a human Tribal selesnya deck, My karametra deck is pretty damn good and is my 'dont piss me off or i'll whip this deck out and kick your ass to Uranus' deck. LOL So since humans are REALLY small bodies Dusk // Dawn is a 100% auto include! Knight of the Reliquary is great and since we're in white You'll want to grab a Mistveil Plains and an Emeria, The Sky Ruin and/or Gavony Township it searches for ANY land, can be great if you have a Yavimaya Hollow. Austere Command EVERY white deck should have this, period. It deals with anything and everything! since you don't have a whole lot of instants/sorceries, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is great here, although one mana does not seem like a lot. it makes the difference between a turn 4 Damnation and a turn 5 Damnation which will give you more value from you're creatures. I think Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip would be great here his planeswalker ability basically gives you a permanent creature you want to survive basically anything! Also NO human deck is a human deck without their protector Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Elspeth, Sun's Champion this elspeth is great! for six mana to remove problem creatures is not bad! the other 2 elspeths are also just as good, and even if they die, it's worth the value! And instead of some of your anthem effects on creatures, I've found that anthems on enchantments/artifacts last longer and provide more support Spear of Heliod is phenomenal, it's kinda pillow-forty because you can kill their creature and gives an anthem all for 3 (6 if you use it's ability). its a great investment! Basically you really want to out-value your opponent! Also another good edition would be Homeward Path since you're having issue's with that darn pirate! Also, Tamiyo's Journal is actually REALLY underrated, I suggest you at least try it and you'll see how much work it really does!
4 days ago
You want an aggressive commander and a non-aggressive commander? That's a bit... broad, but I'll try. I'll stick with Selesnya since that's the only restriction.
Good aggressive commanders are Rhys the Redeemed for tokens (and can be mono-W or mono-G if you want), Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith for voltron, and Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist for a flexible commander that can be anywhere in between. Ezuri, Renegade Leader heads a powerful elfball strategy, and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is good for stompy or Eldrazi. Sram, Senior Edificer is another good voltron commander, and either of the Odrics (Odric, Lunarch Marshal or Odric, Master Tactician) work for mono-white.
For non-aggressive commanders, Gaddock Teeg is a powerful stax piece. Selvala, Explorer Returned and Karametra, God of Harvests are both really good and open ended, anywhere from group hug to enchantress to turbo-ramp. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails is good for control, and either of the Thalias (Thalia, Heretic Cathar and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben) or Hokori, Dust Drinker work for prison/stax. Druids is sneaky good with Seton, Krosan Protector, and mono-green has some good lands decks with Azusa, Lost but Seeking or Titania, Protector of Argoth.
5 days ago
So I've been taking a short break from mtg lately, only playing online from time to time, and wanna get back in the swing of things.
Currently I'm wanting to throw a mono white deck together for commander night Thursday, and I'm stuck between using Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Eight-and-a-Half-Tails. We're a tier two meta (atleast last time I was there which was a few months ago),and we play games with 4 or 5 players.
I love the idea of mono-white control so Thalia might be the obvious choice, but I also don't want to get targeted, and with the storm//combo decks in my meta, I feel like I'd be the first to get gunned down.
Any thoughts? I know mono white isn't the best, but honestly I keep coming back to it. It's my first color in magic and overall my favorite.
5 days ago
I think I'm persuaded by your argument Oloro_Magic, mostly because I've had firsthand experience playing against Thalia, Guardian of Thraben running a list of entirely noncreature spells and it is awful. Cast Down is out and Fatal Push is in!
5 days ago
DankStompy The argument for Path to Exile here is anything but silly as the deck we are evaluating runs both we are not comparing them here but rather evaluating a decklist with access to Path to Exile and what that means for the deck, and my list is not of cards that Push can hit, the list is of the most played creatures in the modern format based off of metashare, the list is entirely relevant seeing how your argument boils down to "push can't hit some stuff" and yes push can't hit some things, but when evaluating the modern meta 47 of the top 50 most played creatures are hit by push. I'm not saying Cast Down cannot hit these cards but rather it is the strictly worse option as the two cost versus the one cost, there is a reason things like Doom Blade are not played (and before you say it yes the restriction on this card is far worse than Cast Down however it is a solid example of black removal). There is also a reason that Fatal Push is the 8th most played card in modern with a 13.74% dominance, it is just the most efficient piece of black removal in a format that emphasizes being mana efficient. This in no way means that Cast Down is unplayable but if deciding between running one of either Push or Cast Down the decision should always be push bar a meta that is entirely focused on big mana strategies or Madcap Experiment type decks as you mention earlier. It could potentially be a viable option in a role similar to Terminate in other decks as hard removal seeing how this list cannot play Terminate, but only in that capacity.
I also feel you are not giving burn the respect it deserves, Goblin Guide sure has the downside, but it can get out of hand quick, I'm glad to hear you have never struggled against it but that doesn't mean that it isn't a threat, imagine the line of this deck when they turn one guide, you push in response to the trigger if you like and buy yourself some damage on turn one and can immediately play Search for Azcanta turn two without having to hold up Cast Down.
I'm curious how much control you play? The fetchland argument is one of the reasons that Fatal Push is so good in modern, it's very easy to trigger revolt with them, sure this doesn't predicate a revolt trigger every turn but modern is not a format where everything is over 2 mana anyway, again this is an efficient format with many low cost creatures, enough fetchlands allows for smart play with push, they are an incredibly good way to trigger revolt, an easy way to trigger revolt and that has been a known fact since push took modern by storm.
And speaking of storm, as the player behind this deck has indicated Storm is a deck that is a part of their meta and with that in mind Cast Down already is worse as it cannot hit Baral, Chief of Compliance, push allows a one mana option to beat Baral which can be relied on even on the draw whereas even in a hypothetical where Cast Down could hit Baral you would need to take your turn two off to remove him mainphase or risk just losing on the spot. Additionally Cast Down cannot hit Thalia, Guardian of Thraben seen in the humans decks this author has again indicated they face, a deck like humans can easily win turn 4 so having Cryptic Command readily available is a big deal, and having access to removal is even bigger, on that turn 4 with Cast Down you would only be able to remove one creature, with Fatal Push as many as three in a perfect scenario, though assuming thalia stays then at the very least potentially two, removing Thalia, and unlocking additional pushes or paths. Cast Down limits your options against modern's best deck in this scenario, a deck that one will actually face on a regular basis on the competitive scene. Honestly, your entire argument is a bit ludicrous as to why the less efficient removal spell is better, Cast Down is great in standard but its too slow for modern as primary removal and outclassed by Fatal Push except in very niche situations where, if you find yourself facing down a Platinum Emperion something has already gone wrong for you to allow that to happen as the control player.
I know its impossible for me to get through to you however please be open to argument as I will be with yours, Push has established itself as the premier piece of removal in the modern format and that wont change because of a less efficient card from a new set, in a format like modern 1-mana is always better than 2 when it comes to removal. The only truly threatening card that push can't hit that is commonly played (a high metashare) is Hollow One, which needs to be prepared for, but given the explosiveness of that deck is better dealt with by sweepers.
6 days ago
DankStompy ArchonBlue Cast Down is simply the worse option. Dank I don't know what meta you are playing in and it might be the right choice for you but Cast Down is in no way strictly better than Fatal Push. Push is and continues to be a format defining card and if we take a closer look at the top played creatures in modern (As per MTGGoldfish):
Of the above only Street Wraith cannot be pushed and even then no one is hard casting a Street Wraith in modern. In fact the first instance of non-pushable creatures comes at number 22 in Gurmag Angler and number 23 in Hollow One and then the only other card in the top 50 in this group is Primeval Titan at number 42.
Revolt is incredibly easy to trigger with an ideal manabase of fetches and shocks, I've never had an issue triggering revolt in modern. The debate here largely comes down to efficiency, Push answers turn one Goblin Guide and a quick affinity start immediately, Cast Down simply can't, maybe there is room as a one-of but not in favor of Push, but more so in a role similar to Terminate or Murderous Cut. The speed of modern though demands push, and will continue to for a very long time, one mana removal is just more efficient, and anything that can't be pushed can be Path to Exile.
Also Esper Charm is sneakily the best card in this deck, its removal, discard, and card draw wrapped into one, it does everything control wants with added flexibility. With the fetch-shock manabase its relatively easy to set up as well without being difficult to cast.
6 days ago
Fatal Push is strictly better than Cast Down in modern, especially with things like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben being so effective against this deck. Also I would try to get up to 4 Esper Charm. Also with the sideboard I'd be willing to offer help but can you give me an idea of your meta or is this MTGO?