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Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
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Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Discussion
5 hours ago
Soren841 I can't say you are wrong... but that was a little harsh, don't you think?
ChibiNature Animar is a powerful commander, one with high resilience to non-creature based stax like Thorn of Amethyst, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, and Vryn Wingmare, and Animar is very fast, winning turns 3-4 with the ability to play through the mid-game turns 5-7 with a decent chance, however is can't win nearly as fast as the other speedy combo lists, and due to that it just isn't tier 1 on speed alone. It also normally requires it's commander to win, and though Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker lines are a powerful asset to the deck, paying ~8 mana for them, or even 4 mana with Animar on the field is still not as fast.
The deck also doesn't have the same exact protection other lists in more colors do. Having access to white like Thrasios, Triton Hero/Tymna the Weaver lists do means no cards like Silence or Grand Abolisher can be run, and most Animar list are too creature-based to run normal counter-magic in the same amounts as normal lists. They still have good protection (think Glen Elendra Archmage or Sylvan Safekeeper), but simply good isn't tier 1. Tier 1 decks need to be extremely well built, with nearly every card being powerful at every stage of the game. It is difficult to imagine, but check out i hate all of you which requires every card to be so balanced it dropped Hurkyl's Recall for Rebuild, and similar changes.
Ancestral Animar by JMCraig is currently one of the best and most balanced lists for Animar, Soul of Elements, it has everything you could generally ask for in the deck, but it isn't Tier 1 in the most competitive metas due to it being a little bit slower and a tiny bit less protected than other fast combo lists. It is still a competitive tier 1.5 amazing deck, and I would suggest playing it to a ton of players, but I can't say I ever imagining it being tier 1 unless WotC prints something like another couple Ancestral Statues that are easier to tutor for (0-2 power for Imperial Recruiter, 3 mana for Trophy Mage, etc.) or something stupidly OP like that.
2 days ago
Astraxa was the list, it isn't super based on +1/+1 counters, but has cards like Anafenza, the Foremost, Scavenging Ooze, Dovin Baan (the ultimate is insane in stax), Tamiyo, Field Researcher, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, and Luminarch Ascension, all of which use Atraxa's proliferate ability, but her flying is used with fetching out Sword of Feast and Famine, which allows the deck to get around effects like Static Orb, Back to Basics, Winter Orb in the deck, and the list also runs a lot of creature based ramp, so it can get more mana than the opponents, by using effects like Sphere of Resistance, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, Vryn Wingmare, Trinisphere, Armageddon, Null Rod, Thorn of Amethyst, Ravages of War, and Stony Silence to shut out all of their mana, and win the game!
3 days ago
Oh, I take back what I said, forget it, sorry about me white-knighting the competitive tag in the past (not far past, but still) and I love the list!
If you really want to make it competitive, I can't promise I can make Arahbo tier 1, but tier 2-3 I can do, as long as you are willing to drop some of the more fun cats, and are able to build up this deck to become a stax-beatdown hybrid.
Okay, so to start, consistency is key, more tutors should be the goal, think Fauna Shaman and Survival of the Fittest type cards, and you'd really want to slow the deck down, which is the opposite of what most people will say.
Running Vryn Wingmare, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Glowrider, and Thorn of Amethyst can stop many combo decks in their tracks, and shut off storm decks in general, while not slowing you down nearly as much. Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, and Boreal Druid are all fast mana ramp that gets you to dropping your commander + Lost Leonin combo (what I believe to be the simplest wincon) faster and also gets unaffected by non-creature hate.
Effectively I am arguing for stax, but not just stax, also combo, running the combo you already have is fine, Archangel of Thune and Spike Feeder, however it doesn't win the game until your next turn unless you already have a large amount of mana, or an Aetherflux Reservoir type effect.
Consider Priest of Titania/Elvish Archdruid/Wirewood Channeler + Umbral Mantle/Sword of the Paruns/Staff of Domination as a powerful combo with cards that are individually useful. Emptying all of that infinite mana into a Genesis Wave or Walking Ballista can easily win games.
Okay, for the 50 bucks thing, Armageddon, Ramunap Excavator, Glowrider, Vryn Wingmare, Aven Mindcensor, Norn's Annex, Ghostly Prison, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, Yisan, the Wanderer Bard, Boreal Druid, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Nature's Claim, Dryad Militant, Rest in Peace, Path to Exile, Suppression Field, Aura of Silence, Beast Within, Manglehorn, Mother of Runes, and Return to Dust add up to $49.95 on TCGplayer not including tax or shipping costs, and make up a core stax build, with other reasonably cheap cards that could help being Root Maze, Natural State.
6 days ago
I think I want to put something more value or grindy into the sideboard. Some decks (like control or pyromancer or Jund) will kill all my stuff. It's somewhat unavoidable. I need a way to beat those decks. One option is to board in Thalia, Guardian of Thraben. She looks downright silly next to Delver, but she hurts control and burn and pyromancer and storm more than she hurts me. I can still cast burn spells with her in play; it's just slower.
Thalia still won't be enough against Jund and probably not good enough in general. Delver of Secrets Flip will get much worse post-board. I think I'm either removing Delver or Goblin Guide in the aggro matchups to bring in Staticaster and Spellskite and friends.
Tireless Tracker is best if played on turn 4 so I can get a land drop (or 2 with a fetch) before the opponent gets a turn to kill it. But it seems like a decent way to get card advantage in the mid-to-late game.
The deck has access to so many colors which means there are a lot of cards available that I don't even know about. Tuning the deck is a daunting task.
I'm still amazed that the humans matchup is winnable in game 1. That alone makes me think this deck is worth pursuing.
1 week ago
With this high of a creature count, I'm surprised you're not running more anti-noncreature hatebear pieces, notably Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Gaddock Teeg. Or Null Rod, to hate on other decks which play more artifacts. TLDR I'd try to go a little more Blood Pod with it.
I'm also surprised you don't have something like Whir of Invention to grab Birthing Pod. I might cut Archangel of Thune for it - as much as I like her as an efficient way to close out games, I don't see any other ways for you to gain life, and without those, she doesn't do anything to affect the board as she comes in.
Maybe Mystic Remora, for a bit of additional draw? With this low of a curve, and this little draw, I'd expect you to run out of cards pretty fast.
No Mana Drain? I guess you don't really have a great sink for the mana, but...
1 week ago
Ok, so here is a list of suggestions, and their reasons:
Bushi Tenderfoot. A 1 drop that if you manage to grow with Thalia's Lieutenant becomes monstrous when flipped, giving another huge threat that demands an answer, diversifying your overall list of major threats.
Dragonmaster Outcast. Sideboard, never mainboard, but would give you a great answer to control decks and midrange decks if you are struggling.
If you were to mainboard any of these, I would suggest taking out Militia Bugler. It's expensive, and while it does draw a card, or at worst get rid of 4 dead draws, its a low impact card compared to the rest of the deck.
2 weeks ago
Autumn's Veil would go perfectly in here as a way to stick Sisay or Paradox Engine through counter spells (5 or 6 mana isn't so tough when you already needed 5, at minimum, to go off). I'd recommend adding it by dropping either:
Seton or Rishkar. You don't actually need both, as they're largely just for the third nonland mana source after the Moxen.
Mangara of Corondor. He just seems lackluster. Considering this deck is sorcery speed to go off, as well, he's not even abusable as a win condition, and I'd rather tutor up Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, etc., instead of one-time targeted removal, but this may be a meta call.
Aegis of the Gods. I'm... not actually sure what this is for. Most win combos in Commander don't target, so unless you're encountering a lot of targeted discard, I wouldn't think he is more valuable than, say, Containment Priest who stops Protean Hulk combos outright rather than letting them pull their entire library while you sit behind Aegis and then get killed via lethal damage or lose to Lab Man (assuming Breakfast Hulk).
Any one of those three could go to add Autumn's Veil in. Similarly, I do like attacking player's mana bases- Static Orb, Winter Orb, and the like, are very helpful because they don't really hurt you while you combo off while they can stop a Doomsday deck from building up enough mana to count to 6 pretty easily.
If you can't tell, I play versus a lot of decks where Sisay isn't the fastest deck at the table, as I play vs a lot of Flash Hulk, Food Chain, Ad Nauseam, etc., decks. So I tend to focus on slowing people down. If, however, that isn't something you have to worry about, feel free to ignore this.
Have fun, man, hope this helped.
2 weeks ago
Commander / EDH*
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Sorry for commenting excessively again, but I want some help for cutting this to 100. I currently have 39 to cut. Here are some combos I'd like to keep:
Dualcaster Mage X Any opposing Instant/Sorcery (Anti-Counterspell card.)
Eldrazi Displacer + Any creature with ETB properties. ((Maybe a Fallacy) Repeating effects over & over.)
Bygone Bishop + 3 + Anyways, these are just some of what this deck is capable of. Do you want to help on this? I should be doing this myself, but it's like a nail bomb inflicted on a Surgeon's Patient; I dunno where to start. What do you say?
Anyways, these are just some of what this deck is capable of. Do you want to help on this? I should be doing this myself, but it's like a nail bomb inflicted on a Surgeon's Patient; I dunno where to start. What do you say?