Miren, the Moaning Well
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, , Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
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Miren, the Moaning Well Discussion
4 months ago
forneyt My budget for this deck is higher then I would usually spend because I want it to be able to play in cEDH games (it doesnt have to be a win all the time deck but good enough to sit at the table). However cards over $80-100 each are probably a get if I can thing but a hard sell to spend $ to the wife. As my play group goes, I dont have one. Covid destroyed it. We are just now starting to open back up here in Vegas so I have no idea what I will be walking into at my LGS.
I would love Mana Crypt but I just don't have one and I only have Mana Vault in there for a early commander ramp. The Charcoal Diamond bugs me because of the comes into play tapped and that seems to slow for cEDH.
Possessed Portal is a win con if it resolves. By the time I get that out they should have almost no resources in had if not already hellbent. With my commander out as well they cant even top deck and everything they sac goes to me. The 8 cmc can be rampped as well I can even shave it down to 6 and protect it with Dream Devourer . Vilis, Broker of Blood I just do not personally like. The cmc means I would need to animate him out and I rather do that on more important targets. The card draw I could get from running Necropotence at a much cheaper cmc (still up in the air about that one though). He seems like a large amount of resources to just get returned to hand or countered just like Sheoldred, Whispering One and I rreally like her.
I do like Waste Not probably find a place for it.
So you might have something there. I didnt want to run Chromatic Lantern because of the cmc. Everflowing Chalice I like because it starts at 2 and at any point of the game if I draw it I could put more into it if i had the mana to spare. The Blood Moon situation is problematic so I might just do that, maybe in place of Mana Vault if i decide to drop it all together.
Yes the maybe board is stuff I am considering as well as stuff I have pulled out. I like Gary and still may run him after I get my first 100 settled and tested I will move it around.
Geth's Grimoire may be a possibility. However I dont like the idea of giving the other players more answers. I want the hellbent and top decking much sooner then later.
Living Death is a card I may cut, I am not sure yet. I like the idea of all their boards getting sacked and becoming my creatures and I also get my graveyard back. Death Cloud is a win con. Mindslicer is the same kind of thing (with a sac outlet) I get all their permanents. Without a sac outlet I can beat away or hold as blocks. That is why I like this commander so much, "your stuff is my stuff.. Thanks!"
Dark Depths only works with Thespian's Stage . Vesuva enters as a copy so would have the counters on him. Thespian is already in play when copied so no counters. Either way this seems too meme for me :-)
I did notice a big flaw that you pointed out .. I have no sac outlet so Miren, the Moaning Well High Market Phyrexian Tower any of those might be a good add. I like Deserted Temple but it is close to that to expensive area because I dont have one.
Thank you for taking the time to give some help and advice, I appreciate it.
4 months ago
I'm not sure what your playgroup consists of, or what your budget is, so I'll just rattle off some cards and (if needed) their budget alternatives, as well as what I would suggest replacing.
Chromatic Lantern in place of Everflowing Chalice : Lantern fixes your lands that tap for colorless (or cabal coffers before you get it going), and keeps you from getting wrecked by Blood Moon by giving your "Mountains" the ability to tap for black.
I already see some other great cards in your maybeboard: Dark Confidant , Gray Merchant of Asphodel , Thoughtseize , and Necropotence among them. Confidant is "draw" without the "draw", which can be an important distinction for certain cards (cough cough Chains of Mephistopheles cough cough Nekusar, the Mindrazer cough cough). Gary is an alternate wincon and also replenishes your health after you drain yourself with your own cards. Thoughtseize basically is "I want this card in your hand" with your commander, and Necropotence is just a broken card that gives you more cards than you can cast.
I feel like your deck may be missing some draw power, so I would suggest Geth's Grimoire , the previously mentioned Vilis, and Howling Mine / Mikokoro, Center of the Sea . With all the discard potential, these last two shouldn't be a problem if your opponents get a couple cards!
For any combo of the above suggestions, I would consider cutting Living Death , Death Cloud , Tangle Wire , and Mindslicer . My reasoning for these four specifically is that they are too mana costly and also negatively affect your boardstate in a way that doesn't put you ahead.
Lastly, I have some land suggestions that I am unsure what to cut for because you already have a decent selection. High Market is a great land, along with its alternate, Miren, the Moaning Well . Deserted Temple can be an extra Cabal Coffers or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . If you like to take risks, you could include Dark Depths for the classic Vesuva / Thespian's Stage combo!
4 months ago
Also, when you draw and cast your whole deck, Akromas memorial puts in serious work. Regarding lands, I get why you want some basic wastes. I think if you remove 3-4 of them, you should be fine while adding additional utility. Since colorless is known for it's utility lands, adding a few more would help you ever so slightly but can put in work in some situations. Best to be prepared....
Field of the Dead - Puts in work late game. Coming in tapped might be a slight turn off, but even in non-lands builds, it helps.
Thespian's Stage - Copy opposing coffers, cradle or whatever tickles your fancy. Also nice to copy an Urza land once you have all 3.
Myriad Landscape - Ramp
Does orbs of warding really help you in your meta? Seems like an expensive silver bullet.
How often has Ring of Three Wishes been helpful? I find it too costly, despite all your ramp
While Planar Bridge is great, especially with unwinding clock, I find it too costly. How has it been in your experience?
God-Pharaoh's Gift is a bit too expensive, despite the potential value it can bring.
^ Cutting these expensive cards will help lower your avg cmc. While it's normal to have a high avg cmc for a colorless deck, replacing these with more ramp or even utility will help streamline the deck.
Would love to hear your thoughts on each idea
5 months ago
I have a different experience with Atla, I run 0 true combos with her & I am usually a target (often rightfully so), probably is meta dependent. I typically don't need haste or even a combat step, which I love. I just play all the red stuff that you never get to see stick. A few alternatives to the usual sac outlets: Pyrohemia , Dragon Broodmother - eats eggs on upkeep if you want, Miren, the Moaning Well , Volcanic Fallout - sneaky good instant egg death when no one suspects. Indomitable Creativity for double triggers & control, Gruul Ragebeast is sweet control... though it makes timing those eggs more restrictive. Then I just run a bunch of direct damage & doublers/triplers. Best feeling in the world when you make them pay for cyc rift with 24 dmg with Ruric Thar, the Unbowed or they just die for casting that stupid spell :)
6 months ago
Hey! I think that this deck should use Miren, the Moaning Well . It's a way of regaining life with a creature that will die because of some effect. It makes you gain a lot of life and increases the effect of Willowdusk's ability.
About the untap effects outside of blue, you can use Thousand-Year Elixir or Magewright's Stone . About combos... well, if you use sacrifice effects (e.g. Ashnod's Altar ), you could try the Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion -like combos (actually, these two work alone, but some combos needs a sac outlet). Depending of other cards, loops with Mikaeus, sacrifice outlets and creatures with Persist could also work.
An artifact like Eternity Vessel can reset your life (if I remember well, having your life total become some value counts as lifegain).
Maybe creatures like Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper or Reyhan, Last of the Abzan works well inside this deck. As instants or sorceries... the only one that came to my mind now is Weather the Storm , which can be very interesting in some situations.
Why use cards like Jaddi Offshoot (gains you only one life), Dash Hopes (I think that's an unreliable counterspell and the 5 life is a low cost in EDH), Blunt the Assault (I think that this card is pretty bad, maybe a card like Gray Merchant of Asphodel gains you much more life while drains your opponents) or Lifegift (it won't make you gain a lot of life on the same turn)?
7 months ago
Beebles these are a lot of suggestions, so i'll try to give you an idea of what i think about them.
Miren, the Moaning Well and Temple of the False God i don't like in general, and i try as few nonbasics as possible because of Nissa and Vernal bloom caring about Forests. Castle Garenbrig on the other hand i like a lot, being a turn 5 Multani by itself, i wonder why it isn't already in the deck honestly. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is pretty expensive and i don't own a copy. Would be a nice fit if i got one, even if it requires already having a board to make positive mana. Very nice combo with Mana Reflection too.
Pathbreaker and Myojin are a bit slow. Myojin can empty your hand but if you have nine mana leftover after resolving a big draw spell you're usually doing pretty fine anyways. I don't like Crossroads being symmetrical. Crashing Drawbridge is good and i'm looking for a spot for it.
Overall nice suggestions, thanks :)
7 months ago
Nice to see another Multani list! I see we run quite similar builds. However, I also noticed you omitted some cards I really value in my deck. Here are some for your consideration:
- Miren, the Moaning Well : Get a bunch of life when you really need it
- Temple of the False God & Castle Garenbrig : both these lands get your commander out a turn earlier
- Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx : another land that can ramp you
- The Great Henge & Inscription of Abundance : awesome power matters cards
- Myojin of Life's Web : another great way to empty your hand after a big draw spell
- Psychosis Crawler : alternative wincon
- Pathbreaker Ibex : another overwhelming stampede effect
- Crashing Drawbridge & Concordant Crossroads : additional haste enablers
Hope there are some cards there that fit your vision for the deck.
GL & HF!
1 year ago
I'd also consider Miren, the Moaning Well since you have a lot of fatties that are going to die anyway, but the usefulness of the life gain obviously depends on your meta.