Cabal Stronghold

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Cabal Stronghold

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, : Add for each basic Swamp you control.

Rythven-Fang on Galleries of the Infinite

1 month ago

Profet93

Like some of these a lot, kind of took out some of the more dead "combos" that were filler.

Also Cabal Stronghold was always kind of meh to me, so making me go back and look at it made me look at my mana base all around and change it up. It's probably better now.

Beespair on Rule the Galaxy [Kaervek, the Punisher]

1 month ago

Profet93

Isochron Scepter is great, can make an instant occur way more times than I normally could and the instant imprinted can change depending on the playgroup.

I agree with what you said about Cabal Ritual, never really had the chance to play it in the games I played with the deck, but the graveyard does not often stay with 7 cards in it. Switched it for Sign in Blood, as you've mentioned, more draw could help and at the same time I like cards that can do more than one thing in EDH.

Vampiric Tutor is not really a budget issue, as I'm proxying the deck, but I have friends in my playgroup that don't and I try to keep it to cards they would normally have. I'm already justifying Imperial Seal because of its name and Word of Command because it's a fun card to use and it's mostly the lack of printing that justify it's high price.

I removed these cards from the deck:

Agatha's Soul Cauldron: Although fun and a cheap crime, I rarely get useful activated abilities, the +1 to toughness was it's biggest use IMO.

Cabal Ritual: As you've mentioned, the threshold wouldn't really happen often.

Languish: Yahenni's Expertise is just more fun, same CMC and the 4 to 3 difference doesn't change much of the purpose behind the card.

Ulcerate: Cheap removal, but I already have a lot and this one was the weakest IMO.

Cabal Stronghold: As you've mentioned, 17 basics is too little.

Swamp: Removed one swamp to fit an additional non-basic land. Cabal Stronghold is gone, no need to keep that many basics.

I then added these cards:

Isochron Scepter: So many cool options, just neglected it when deck-building because I've been too tainted by the Dramatic Reversal combo and I only think about it in this situation.

Sign in Blood: One more card draw, can also burn enemies and with this deck's recursion can be re-used.

Yahenni's Expertise: Just a cooler Languish.

Buried Ruin: Nice recursion on stuff I can't normally recur because it's colorless.

Deserted Temple: As you've mentioned, crime, politics, ramp with Cabal Coffers.

Sudden Spoiling: Cool tech against control and protected creatures.

I did not add Helm of Obedience, felt like the 4 CMC is a bit too high. I will try it in the deck to see if I want to change something for it.

I did not add both flash cards because I can cast stuff from the graveyard at instant speed if needed with a crime. There's also not much I'm thinking of that I would really want to get that is not an instant. I might be missing some situations though.

Beespair on Rule the Galaxy [Kaervek, the Punisher]

1 month ago

Profet93

Thanks for all the suggestions! Never seen Yahenni's Expertise before, it is really good, will definitely remove Languish for it.

Might change Ulcerate for Sudden Spoiling, not just for the effect but split second is really good at fighting other control decks, as you said, super useful tech.

Good point about Cabal Stronghold, definitely changing it for Buried Ruin.

Never thought about Helm of Obedience with Dauthi Voidwalker, super cool combo, I'll definitely include it in the deck.

I'll take a look at what to remove for the other suggestions, they are all definitely top choices and I completely agree should be in the deck.

Hybrow on Heart of Black Coal - Ayara ETB trigger EDH

5 months ago

Hey Profet93, thanks so much for the view and suggestions

Jet Medallion I originally had in deck, but found that the ramp didn’t help in my commander, and quite a few of the spells I play over and over don’t have any colorless costs, so I swapped it out for Bontu's Monument, which had the bonus of doubling my commanders ability.

Bubbling Muck – I don’t love the one-time use of it. Would take the space of something that I can use again and again in this deck.

Cabal Stronghold – I think this is a carryover from before I had a coffers. I could easily swap it out for Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. I actually have one sitting in a binder not getting used.

Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx – Of all the lands, this is the one I like the most. I checked and there isn’t one in my binder, but I do have sitting in a for-fun The Colossal Dreadmaw deck. Would probably swap out Castle Locthwain. The draw is nice but find I don’t generally need it.

Deserted Temple is ok, but I don’t have mana doublers and other than coffers (and I guess now Nythos there isn’t really anything I need to untap.

Thespian's Stage and Vesuva – I am not a huge fan of the copy lands, V in particular enters tapped, which I hate. And they are both dependent on me having something that is worth copying, which isn’t always the case.

Contamination – If I had a different playgroup, this would be an automatic add, but my friend group doesn’t love playing mass land hate. A Strip Mine is fine, but something that shuts down another player completely, we generally don’t play just to keep everyone having fun. Infernal Darkness is kinda the same thing, so going to pass.

Imp's Mischief I just checked, and I do not own one, but am going to have to add it to my next buy list. Mono-coloured decks have some real blind spots and having a quazi-counter available would be great.

Skullclamp is going to go on a sidelist for this deck for a while. My mono-red Purphy relies on it for draw, but so far with Ayara hasn’t really needed the extra draw very much.

Carnival of Souls – I did have this one in an early build of this deck, but with my wincon being Plague of Vermin this wouldn’t work, and I feel like in a 4-player game I am going to lose more life than I can afford.

Thanks again for the suggestions. I have already added the two lands.

Craeter on Ratica Apocalyptica

5 months ago

enraged Hey m8 super appreciate your suggestions! I've been busy IRL but need to set aside some time soon to do some deck updates. I'll strongly consider your suggestions, the hard part is often finding the appropriate cards to cut. Takenuma sounds great on the surface, although it does impact value from Cabal Coffers and Cabal Stronghold. It could be worth testing out tho.

Profet93 on Shadowborn Demons | Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker

5 months ago

If you're running extra planar lens, I recommend using Snow-Covered Swamp to make the benefit one sided.

Cabal Stronghold is a solid budget land ramp option - to be upgrade to Cabal coffers when $ permits.

Syphon Mind is a solid budget card draw option.

Reliquary Tower - For all ur draw/recursion

While mono black excels in omni tutors, you don't need to use many or the expensive ones to get some benefit. Budget options like Insatiable Avarice and Beseech the Queen can get you what you need. Mausoleum Secrets is also a powerful contendor

BurtReynolds on Djmentia Unchained

8 months ago

Damn, now I did it (*Cabal Stronghold)

Destroyerbirb on K'rrik Son of Yawgmoth 2.0

8 months ago

For cuts I would recommend:

Professor Onyx - While Liliana's side job is beneficial for society (educators are very important, especially those who help us raise people from the dead), the deck doesn't have a strong spell slinger theme so her static doesnt work, the minus three is not as optimal as it makes itself out to be, and other effects are... not worth the six mana and time required.

Charcoal Diamond - You've got a ridiculous amount of ramp in this deck already, not sure this piece is needed. Plus, with the way K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth works, you want to ramp in colourless more than in black with your artifacts and similar since K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth always pays for black anyways, so Mind Stone just makes Charcoal Diamond look that much more of a downgrade.

Defense Grid - Not really seeing the point. Plus, this is meant to be a casual deck, all this will do is make everyone more upset and make interaction harder.

Saw in Half - It's a fun card not really worth adding.

Meathook Massacre 2 - I have a feeling it's a bit redundant to have both, especially since they both do a bit different things and you've got many tutors. Cutting the second part instead of its original installation would make more sense because this copy does cost a lot for its effect, whereas The Meathook Massacre became so played because it being pretty low costing for everything it does.

Paradise Plume - A lot of mana for its effect, and you have too many ramp cards.

Shared Trauma - Not too sure on this card's inclusion and what it would do.

Chain of Smog - I personally don't think discard cards are very strong in EDH, might be a good cut. I can see this being played against CEDH players and having a big effect, but EDH? Not as convinced.

Grim Tutor - You've got a lot of tutors, you can cut this one.

Final Parting - Same as above.

Diabolic Tutor - You can guess what I've got to say about this one.

Platinum Angel - I think take this one out. You can't pay life below zero so I'm not sure why else this would be in the deck.

Phage the Untouchable - As you said, you'd put it in your maybeboard and have it come out a game or two so you can just say you've killed someone with Phage, but I'd probably just keep it in the maybeboard.

Orcish Bowmasters - What are you playing, CEDH?

Opposition Agent - This is really more a meta suggestion than anything, but you don't verse people with a lot of tutors, you'd be lucky if people run more than one tutor. I'd cut this just from a meta perspective, or at least have it as a maybeboard card.

Doomsday Excruciator - Eh, nah.

Dimir House Guard - It's a sac outlet and a tutor in one, so I see what you're going with, which is why I'm only partially suggesting it as a cut, but also it's not the best at either job.

Chainer, Dementia Master - Not sure I'm feeling Chainer in this deck specifically.

Bloodletter of Aclazotz - Would be a lovely card for our cube, but I think there are already better finishers in this deck.

Asmodeus the Archfiend - Another maybe cut. It's a fun and spicy card, but also you're losing a lot of life for an effect which you do better with other cards in here. You really don't want to have too many cards that do similar things, especially since you've got many tutors and draw cards.

Cabal Stronghold - You've got three basic lands. There is no world in which you could activate this card and get a payoff from it.

Emergence Zone - Playing stuff at instant speed doesn't really help your deck.

Rogue's Passage - Zero use in this deck.

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I also have addition suggestions:

Torment of Hailfire - Not sure why this isn't here.

Swamp - Add one Swamp for every land cut.

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