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Hall of the Bandit Lord
Hall of the Bandit Lord enters the battlefield tapped.
, Pay 3 life: Add to your mana pool. If that mana is spent on a creature spell, that creature has haste.
Hall of the Bandit Lord Discussion
1 week ago
@lil_cheez thanks dude,
yeah, i actually want to get 37 lands in (36 normal ones + Cabal Coffers ), to ensure always having a good mana base. i already run Lightning Greaves , since it has no equip costs, and i don't have any cards that i want to target Kaalia of the Vast with (except Mother of Runes ). i prefer running Hammer of Purphoros over a 2nd Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots since it doesn't cost me an additional mana to attack with kaalia once i play her, plus i also run Hall of the Bandit Lord for the haste effect. As for Rakdos the Defiler : i actually don't usually attack with him a second time, so i don't have to sacrifice anything myself. there are some exceptions where it might be worth attacking again, but those are pretty rare, i usually keep him as a blocker, or as a sacrifice for Razaketh, the Foulblooded . Aegis Angel looks interesting, maybe i'll add it, but since i already have Avacyn, Angel of Hope , it doesn't benefit me that much. but yeah, i will add 1 (or preferably 2) more lands, i just have to decide which card(s) to remove. but thank you for the suggestions :)
1 week ago
Wow, thanks realsoupersand, appreciate all the work you put into this review and comment. I have lot's to work on here.
I spent about an hour making a reply earlier today, but when I clicked preview forced me to login and it was gone forever. So I decided to make some updates to the deck before responding again, here it is.
I understand and appreciate your comments about Kaalia of the Vast and cEDH, of course, your correct the play analytics certainly support the position. The meta is fairly narrow on cEDH, however, like most formats (eg: Modern), there are non-meta decks that can be competitive in the format, but perhaps not with a high degree of consistency. I feel that the ability to have T1-T4 win-cons can make it competitive in the cEDH format, and with your help if we can get avg turn win under 4 or improve T1/T2 win %, it certainly can play although being mardu, it doesn't have access to the core strengths of the Tier1 decks.
I reduced my lands count a few. I read an article and ran their statistics through a bunch of models I created based on the raw data. Their conclusion, and my analysis verified, there is a co-relation between playing or missing a T3 land drop and your winning % in commander. At my previous lands, I still miss the T3 land about 20% of the time. I'll see how the reduction in lands impacts those statistics. I removed Rugged Prairie , but the other 2 filter lands, provide additional conversion avenues for a Turn 1 win, so although not the best lands, the higher T1 win % benefits from their inclusion.
I also hate any land that ETB tapped like Hall of the Bandit Lord . The way I was thinking about it was, Dragon Tempest is CMC2 (but active that turn if I have mana to play something), if I play Hall of the Bandit Lord tapped on T2, it is only CMC1 because I still have my T1 land available (although it doesn't do anything that turn). Haste is important for utility, I didn't include it for a long time, then added it back to see if it brought my avg win turn down, will do some testing with it in and out.
Yawgmoth's Will mostly has been beneficial. Although its CMC3 (terrible), assuming I have a Fetch land in the graveyard, and don't have a land drop in hand, it can play the fetch, so in some cases it's a modular ramp. Also, it can cast a Karmic Guide (we'll get to her) to start the Infinite Combo, also, it can cast a Reanimate or Animate Dead to do the same, or be a Demonic Tutor /modular tutor/removal, etc. Also, with the inclusion of Worldgorger Dragon Infinte Mana, going to allow me to play my entire graveyard in a single turn. It helps with improving the T3 and T4 land drops % and provides as good a ramp as mardu is going to get.
Mox Diamond unfortunately I don't have one, I have several decks including this one that need it, but it's not budget friendly either, so going to be a future add whenever I can get my hands on some. I'll see what I can do with artifacts to get to a reasonable consistency on Mox Opal going to take a while to make all the updates and buy some cards. Arcane Signet still shows as Illegal in commander, I assume the Brawl decks will be released soon or else tapped out will update their system. It's the best CMC2 rock, it will be in there whenever legal.
Diabolic Intent has only screwed me once so far, outside of Grand Abolisher there isn't anyone (including Kaalia of the Vast ) that I won't sacrifice to pull my combo piece and go for the win. It usually finds the last piece. Mausoleum Secrets works nicely with Buried Alive and Entomb to pull the Reanimate card. They are not the best, they were includes for testing purposes, I just find I need more tutoring to be consistent so having CMC1 and CMC2 tutors with conditions is still useful, I wish there was better options for mardu. I'll keep evaluating them, if they are unplayable when drawn in too high a % of circumstances they do not add value to the deck.
To replace the Swiftfoot Boots I added Idyllic Tutor , I know you didn't suggest, but with Worldgorger Dragon in, any way to pull Dragon Tempest for haste or Infinite damage or Animate Dead feels right? Steelshaper's Gift with just Lightning Greaves does feel weird. I'm wondering on the Swiftfoot Boots though, the Equip 0 is key certainly on Lightning Greaves , but usually just throw it on Kaalia of the Vast maybe a Grand Abolisher so Steelshaper's Gift + Lightning Greaves is similar CMC to Swiftfoot Boots and equip () but of course not playable on T1 (boo). I'll try with boots out and keep the tutors in, see how consistently I get to haste when I need it to drop a Razaketh, the Foulblooded , would never want to be waiting for haste when I have a win-con in hand.
As you mentioned Sensei's Divining Top works well with Dark Confidant , but mostly I use it to enable same turn Vampiric Tutor / Imperial Seal or to ensure I get the lands I need or try and find an ADD to resolve if Kaalia of the Vast is available and don't really need the mana. Also, if I have nothing else, it's a good random draw chance to stop a win-con or pull a tutor (and shuffle it away! happens so often).
I'm thinking on Tymna the Weaver seems not bad, I don't play to her strengths but still viable as mardu can't draw properly.
About 40% of my wins are my primary win-con of Buried Alive + Reanimate , Karmic Guide is the enabler. Even when I draw her to hand, CMC5 is still playable, or cheat-able with Kaalia of the Vast . She did combo with Reveillark but that wasn't working, Reveillark was too high CMC. She re-pops a Razaketh, the Foulblooded then he sac's her, outside of the primary win-con, its never a dead draw usually. I put Dance of the Dead in, but now, I'm thinking Necromancy is better, because it also works with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker as well. Might swap the Dance of the Dead to Necromancy if I have one, I'll check tomorrow.
Dismember I like, play it in Modern even, Fire Covenant makes sense, but feel I would rather just Tutor Toxic Deluge which can remove indestructible and not have the duplication. Usually, I just try and win instead of disrupting, just let the Counterspell players stop the others, that opens a windows sometimes for me to try going for combo. I hate how Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast are potential dead draws, but realistically always of value. Similar to a more generic Silence (wish it had Split Second), probably need them, need to review for more cuts. Path to Exile is a CMC1 exile, so it's good for decks that rely on commander (understanding they often don't care if they are removed because that is too late), I also use it as a modular ramp card, CMC1 to pull a land into play. I haven't found it hurts me most of the time, it's usually stopping a go for the win (like a Laboratory Maniac or something), usually wouldn't play it to enable a win.
Thoughtseize and the like, one of my favorite cards BTW, I found just hurts me and 1 player. Gives a wide opening to the other 2 players to go for the win, and now I'm short on card advantage, draw poorly, and disabled a player potentially that could have stopped the win. If it's pre-emptive (like Silence ) before going for the win, do I really want to increase my Win-Con by CMC1 or wait that extra turn to have the mana, or just go for it now, and maybe win? Tough to tell. Again too, wherever I can would rather go for my win than stop others win.
I'll have to go over creatures responses tomorrow as I'm out of time tonight, my earlier message addressed everything plus a bunch of cards I'm considering putting in and your opinion on those. For another night!
Thanks again for the fantastic input, I'm really working on making the changes. I ordered a bunch more cards on Card Kingdom today, so in 7 days free shipping, should see some more changes coming down the pipe. Also going to continue reviewing your recommendations and deciding on cuts tomorrow and over the upcoming weekend.
3 weeks ago
Overall, the deck looks solid and I don't see any staples that you're missing, maybe a Goblin Vandal . I would just replace a few mountains with: Hall of the Bandit Lord , Strip Mine , and a Cavern of Souls if it's in your budget. You also might want to try Tears of Rage and Hellrider for more kill potential.
1 month ago
Some great ideas in this deck. I think you might want to look at Hall of the Bandit Lord to enable haste for Gisa. The life loss is tough, but you can also get some smacks in with your fatties before you have to sac them. I find you can’t have enough cheap haste.
1 month ago
subiskier: Glad you like it! Yeah, getting Kaalia swinging quickly is definitely important, though I'm not really a huge fan of Hanweir Battlements , Slayers' Stronghold , and most other lands that give haste. Effectively paying 2 or 3 mana is a pretty big tax on getting Kaalia out, and I rarely find myself in a situation where I'm really wanting to pay it. I used to run Flamekin Village in the deck, but I swapped it out for Hall of the Bandit Lord which seems to work way better as you're not really paying anything extra other than it entering tapped. As for Fervor , I've actually been looking into slotting in Dragon Tempest (which is almost strictly better in this deck) but I haven't really decided what I'm willing to take out for it yet. Swiftfoot Boots is definitely a good card, and worth running alongside Lightning Greaves , but at a 5 mana investment I'm not too fond of Whispersilk Cloak . Thanks for the comment, and good luck to you too!
loricatuslupus: Thanks! I agree, I love creature decks much more than combos and Kaalia seems like one of the few that is aggressive enough to have a consistent chance at outpacing them. In my personal meta it's rather rare for there to not be any player without a flyer that Kaalia can safe swing at, so I'm not really too concerned about preventing blocking or damage effects with things like Dust Corona and Dolmen Gate . However, I actually have been thinking about adding Reconnaissance to the deck for a while (and probably would've already if I could find a copy locally) due to it's amazing value in both giving Kaalia safe triggers and pseudo-vigilance to all of my creatures. As for Chromatic Lantern , I actually used to run it in the deck (most of the maybe board is cards I ran at one time but later cut) but I just found that it wasn't very helpful. My mana base is stable enough at this point that I very rarely am in need of it's fixing, and at 3 cmc it doesn't really help me ramp Kaalia out. The initial goal of the deck is always have Kaalia swinging on turn 4 at the latest (ideally turn 2 or 3), and 2 cmc rocks like Sphere of the Suns just do a much better job at accomplishing that. Dark Ritual has done pretty well for me, I think. It allows for some pretty explosive early turns in either getting an extra rock out or ramping out Kaalia up to 2 turns earlier. Even late game I can usually find some use for it to stretch out my mana for more valuable turns. While temple lands are arguable some of the better taplands, I personally would not run them if I don't have to as taplands significantly reduce the speed of the deck and are detrimental to my plan of getting Kaalia out as quickly as possible. I used to run Reya Dawnbringer but I found that she was often either stuck without a target, or removed before she could do anything. I cut her in an attempt to shift away from effects like hers where you have to wait a turn to get anything out of them, and towards things that give immediate value upon entering/hitting. Also there's already enough times where I have Animate Dead or Reanimate in my hand with no good targets that I don't really think I'm in need of more recursion right now. Never really been a fan of Adarkar Valkyrie as her ability seems a bit underwhelming to me, especially when you have to wait a turn to use her as well. They're both alright cards, but if I ran them it would be solely for the synergy with a couple of cards like Razaketh, the Foulblooded that you mentioned, and that's not really worth it for me. Thanks for the comment and suggestions, and good luck with your own deck as well!
1 month ago
Whisper, Blood Liturgist 's ability is instant-speed. This means that even the shuffle-eldrazi can be reanimated with her ability. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre are both valid reanimation targets. Unfortunately, because reanimation does not trigger the cast triggers, you may just want to run Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre rather than both... being indestructible is helpful, and annihilator 4 is a big deal.
Your lands have room for improvement. Hall of the Bandit Lord lets you activate your general the turn she comes down. Ancient Tomb will allow you to land a two-mana rock turn one and conceivably land your general turn two. In my experience, Crypt of Agadeem is worse than a normal Snow-Covered Swamp , as entering tapped is tough and the mana-advantage is often times going to be marginal.
Token generators are a good way to find bodies both to sac and to chump block with. I notice you're not running Bitterblossom or Breeding Pit ... you may want to experiment with them. Additionally, Call the Bloodline can generate tokens and discard reanimation targets.
Lightning Greaves seems like it'd be awesome here. First, it gives Whisper haste for free, as its equip cost is zero. Then it gives whatever you reanimated haste. Swiftfoot Boots is similar, but costing one to equip makes it slightly worse.
Whip of Erebos is an interesting idea for a secondary reanimation-enabler. It doesn't matter if your general is out, and it allows you to smack face with haste.
Depending on your preferred level of sadism, Mindslicer may be worth including. Sac-ing him and something else to reanimate a fatty makes everyone discard everything, so it's a sort of built-in protection. It's also pretty good at deterring attackers.
Once you have a token-generator/sac-enabler and Whisper down, Winter Orb seems like a good way to hold on to an advantage.
If you want to blow ninety bucks, Liliana of the Veil is exactly what you want here. Her +1 discards a reanimation target, and keeping pressure on opponents' hands is a good thing to do. Also, her edict effect and ult are not insignificant at all. Similarly, Necrogen Mists provides a discard outlet and hand-pressure.
Grave Titan is a great reanimation target, and costing six mana means you can conceivably hard-cast it. Kokusho, the Evening Star seems good to reanimate, sac, and then repeat. Massacre Wurm is similar.
That's all I got. Good luck!
1 month ago
I forgot to suggest:
The Immortal Sun
(since you don't play Planeswalkers).
Spine of Ish Sah
particularly to destroy permanents like artifacts or enchantments.
's lil brother.
Phyrexian Etchings either way your opponents are fucked. Hall of the Bandit Lord Ifnir Deadlands Mischievous Poltergeist Soul Channeling Bloodgift Demon Demonlord Belzenlok Archfiend of Despair Darkness
3 months ago
She is very strong. I Haven't seen anyone else build her this way besides me! If you have it in your budget Metalworker is incredible. Lands like Hanweir Battlements , Flamekin Village , and Hall of the Bandit Lord are great for getting your Eldrazi haste. Mirage Mirror can do this with the non legendary ones if it was out the turn before. All Is Dust is usually a one sided board wipe. It hits your commander but who really cares when you have It That Betrays out. You can usually recast Saheeli and net more mana than you spent.
Here is my list. Saheeli - Requiem
Good luck and have fun (summoning terrifying unkillable monsters from beyond the void)!
Hall of the Bandit Lord occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%