Minamo, School at Water's Edge
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2 months ago
3 months ago
Some other things to untap Sisay: Jandor's Saddlebags, Malachite Talisman, Minamo, School at Water's Edge, Nacre Talisman, Quirion Ranger, Scryb Ranger, Seeker of Skybreak, Seedcradle Witch, and (of course) Thousand-Year Elixir.
4 months ago
Hey there Kronhamilton,
First of all, I like the improvements you’ve made to your deck. It’s already looking a lot slicker and I can see you’ve made some very fun looking changes to how the deck plays.
You’ve got a nice array of threats (I always love to see the Bringers and Ur-Dragon) and a decent amount of ramp which are both a big plus. Additionally, you’ve got the beginnings of some nasty graveyard synergy shaping up, which looks really, really cool as a sort of plan B.
That being said, I’d like to make a few suggestions to help guide you toward a more consistent and powerful Golos deck. Please remember that these suggestions are just my informed opinion, and that I totally respect whatever deck choices you decide to make. I really just want to help you get comfortable with deck building and learning what to look for in a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ card.
I would encourage you to add 2 Lands, 3 Removal cards, and 8 Draw cards. I’d also think about adding 2 more Ramp cards, but that is less critical to the overall health of the deck. Your Threats look great and I think your Sweepers are also appropriate. Anything that synergizes with your graveyard backup plan is great.
There are a couple of things to think about as you play this deck; 1. “Am I happy or sad to be holding this card in my hand or drawing it off the top of my deck?” – If a card seems to constantly be ‘the wrong card’ for the situation, or you can never seem to cast it, or you always play other cards instead, or you tend to die while holding a certain card, then you probably want to think about how well that card fits in your deck and whether or not you should cut it or modify the deck to support it. 2. “What ongoing advantage does this card give me?” – Some cards seem like a decent card based on having decent power/toughness, a fair cost, and some neat keywords or abilities. Just having those upsides alone though doesn’t make a card truly powerful. Instead, try to think about what ways a card can synergize with your deck to create crazy effects or otherwise how it will become more dangerous as the game progresses (like a Quartzwood Crasher, Scute Swarm, or Giant Adephage). Additionally, try to find cards that do multiple things such as Chasm Skulker which gets bigger when you draw cards and also explodes into tokens when it dies, or even Ravenous Chupacabra which deals with a threat and also acts as a blocker when you are facing pressure. The key is finding a way to levarage the most amount of value in each individual card – even a 2 mana ramp spell will set you up to play all of your future spells 1 turn earlier than normal for the rest of the game, which can be an insane advantage when you think about it. 3. “Am I out of options?” – If you can’t seem to find a solution to a problem or you’re ‘running out of steam’, then it is likely that you need more card draw and more ways to create ‘engines’ that accrue value. An example of an engine would be Fertilid + Evolution Sage or Rampaging Baloths + Elemental Bond or Kruphix, God of Horizons + Victory Chimes or Atraxa, Praetors' Voice + Ajani, the Greathearted or Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead or Search for Azcanta Flip or Deadbridge Chant or Mind Unbound, etc.
Your ramp looks pretty good with 10 dedicated Ramp cards. I’d suggest adding 2 more Ramp spells to really help speed things up early. Examples would be Kodama's Reach, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Springbloom Druid, etc.
Ramp - 10
Azusa, Lost but Seeking - you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability.
Empowered Autogenerator – this card is vastly too slow to be considered a true Ramp card. At best I would call it a ‘Ramp Support’ card, because it is there to slowly help you in the late game, not propel you in the early game like a true Ramp card (Rampant Growth, Farseek, Fertile Ground, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth)
Overall, I think your card draw package needs a little bit of love. I want to note I see a lot of ‘looting’ effects like the ones on Teferi, Master of Time or Obsessive Stitcher and while these cards are great for a graveyard strategy they still don’t count as card draw. I’d keep most of these ‘looting’ type cards, but try to find cards that get you about 2 or 3 cards such as Harmonize, Concentrate, Escape to the Wilds, Urban Evolution, Moldervine Reclamation, Deathreap Ritual, Recurring Insight, Mind Unbound, Underworld Connections, Cloudblazer, Mulldrifter, Drawn from Dreams, Return of the Wildspeaker, Harvester of Souls, Momentous Fall, Dream Trawler, Keeper of Fables etc.
Draw - 2
Barrin, Tolarian Archmage – drawing 1 card does not really count. If anything, Barrin is like slow, bad removal for dealing with your opponents’ stuff temporarily. If you’re interested in reusing Golos’s land finding ability I would recommend playing Soulherder instead.
Solemn Simulacrum – He has sort of ‘incidental value’ with his death trigger but doesn’t actively net you a bunch of cards like Keruga, the Macrosage or Beast Whisperer. Sad Robot is still great though.
Titanoth Rex – still keep this guy because he is a threat that isn’t dead in your hand on turn 5.
Void Beckoner – same story as the Rex
Teferi, Master of Time – Teferi’s great, but he is really at his best when you’ve got 4-7 card in hand so that you can throw a bunch of big threats to the graveyard and hopefully draw a reanimation spell. Other than that, Teferi isn’t going to refill your hand so he doesn’t count as true draw.
Your removal package looks like it needs a couple more additions to keep your deck responsive and able to handle imminent-doom type threats. It is worth noting that cards like Blatant Thievery or Mythos of Illuna can save you in certain situations, but be wary of their crazy mana costs and the fact that they are not instant-speed answers. Examples include Mythos of Nethroi, Beast Within, Price of Fame, Reality Shift, Terminate, Return to Nature, Putrefy, Utter End, Eat to Extinction, Murderous Rider, etc.
Removal – 4 (aim for 7)
There are several cards that I would consider cutting first when modifying the deck.
- Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast - he relies very heavily on luck and only interacts with creatures. This makes him good with only 30% of your deck. Additionally, Lukka can’t ‘protect’ himself like Garruk can (making tokens to block for him), nor does he have an immediately accessible removal ability like Teferi. Overall, Lukka is interesting but a little lacking in consistency, defensibility, and power.
Azusa, Lost but Seeking – you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability. Yes, you can use the double lands (like Gruul Turf) to bounce a land to hand and then play that land with Asuza, but realistically that’s such a narrow and relatively tame synergy (in this non-landfall deck, that is) that you would be better off playing a Farseek or a Rampant Growth or even a Fertile Ground.
Sparkhunter Masticore - This little fellow has a major drawback and no seriously crazy abilities that make him worthwhile. Yes he can deal with planeswalkers, but so can a Murderous Rider or an Eat to Extinction. Yes he can be an indestructible 3/4, but you have to pay 3 mana just to make him indestructible. Under normal circumstances that’s 6 mana for a 3/4 that dodges death one time - a 3/4 just isn’t fantastic. The biggest bad news about this robocat is its “additional cost to cast” ability which means that even if you hit it with Golos’s ‘Rainbow Wheel of Death’ ability, you still have to discard a card for a 3/4. I just honestly think you’d rather have a removal spell (Beast Within, Mythos of Nethroi) instead of this cat any day.
Pursued Whale - While this whale is kinda cool and he does force combat, he is just sorta expensive for what he does. 7 mana for an 8/8 is pretty standard and giving your opponents tokens (that they could just attack you with or sacrifice to an effect) can be a bad idea in some situations, such as when they have an Beastmaster Ascension or a similar effect on the field. While his semi-hexproof ability (3 more mana to target) seems nifty, that is one of the only really powerful highlight abilities of this card, meaning that ability is protecting a relatively low-powered card. A couple immediate alternatives come to mind for me; Geode Rager to force combat AND keep you safe, and Dream Trawler for a flying, hexproof, lifelinking, card drawing threat.
Renata, Called to the Hunt - She just isn’t fantastic. You aren’t playing a devotion centric deck in which she might become a 10/10, and your strategy doesn’t really care about 1/1 counters either. I would consider replacing her with a Harmonize or another 3 or 4 drop with more impactful abilities. Heck, even another reanimation spell could be nice like Unburial Rites or Grave Upheaval since your deck seems to have some tendency to but things in the graveyard for later.
Lorescale Coatl - Cards like this (or his bigger cousin Chasm Skulker) are really designed for “wheel decks” that play “wheel effects” like Windfall or Reforge the Soul. He is fine, but really not much better than that. If you want a threat that can grow faster and do more important things, try Managorger Hydra or even Scute Mob.
Colossification - This aura is too expensive, taps your creature down, and worst of all is an aura. Auras are generally quite bad because your opponent can destroy your creature and the aura attached to them with one spell – and odds are they’ll do that because it is usually too juicy not to. The fact that you can’t attach Colossification and attack immediately means that your opponents will have a full turn to deal with it before you get a chance to use it (and keep in mind your Colossified creature needs to survive 3 opponents’ turns!). This means you’ll most likely run out of cards in a hurry without accomplishing anything.
Door to Nothingness - Unlike Progenitus, you can’t reanimate the Door, nor can you get its full value off of the Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only time this card does anything at all is when you literally have 10 mana of the exact color combination necessary to use it. It’s still your call, and I know some people make it a goal to Door their opponents, but be warned: you probably don’t have as much ramp as you need to make this work well. I’d consider supporting this crazy cards (and your many expensive threats for that matter) with a few more ramp spells – Boundless Realms, Migration Path, Circuitous Route, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, Zendikar Resurgent
Azor's Gateway Flip – This card belongs in a very specific variant of Golos. That variant is the Minamo, School at Water's Edge Golos deck which also runs stuff like Vizier of Tumbling Sands, Fatestitcher, Kiora's Follower, and other payoffs like Jegantha, the Wellspring, or Captain Sisay. Especially considering that Sanctum of the Sun (the flip side) adds X mana of only 1 color, I think this card is just rarely going to work like you want it to unfortunately.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen - Basically, you only have 3 other dragons in the deck so I would either exchange a bunch of cards for more dragons or cut Lathliss, since she will rarely be able to use her best ability (5/5 tokens). Keep in mind, you could also run a bunch of cards with the ‘changeling’ keyword if you wanted to get really funky, in which case you may as well also play stuff like Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, Reaper King, Crested Sunmare, The First Sliver but that’s a very slippery and insane slope that I’m not sure you want to get sucked into.
Nice changes Kronhamilton, I can see that your deck is really starting to shape up as a rampy graveyard-mingling Golos deck, and that’s really cool. I encourage you to try and pay attention to what situations you find yourself in, as that’s often the best way to tell what cards you need to cut or add to the deck for it to work best. As a default, I’d consider making a few of the changes I mentioned in the Broad Suggestion section, as those changes should just generally help with your deck’s consistency.
Please do let me know how you decide to tune your deck – it’s really fun to watch honestly, and I’m always down to help advise you. Other than that, take care and enjoy Golos!
5 months ago
1 and 1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge. Also sideboard Kira
5 months ago
I absolutely love that suggestion. I completely forgot that card existed in all honesty. Minamo, School at Water's Edge is getting an immediate spot in the deck. For suggestions on taking out extra turn spells I think just about anything can be put in from the maybe board. Especially some more removal like Abrade and Chaos Warp since so far in my play testing of the deck I’ve had issue with artifact removal. But overall just removal in general. But if that’s not what your looking for, putting in extra wizards is always good to up the probability of you having sufficient wizards on the board. Or just adding some more good burn spells like Fireball . You can really do some damage with a high cost X burn spell and Kaza! burnaish
5 months ago
Nice list! Hyped to try it out. In my playgroup we usually want to stay away from infinite combos and extra turns. Do you have any suggestions what I can use instead of the extra turn cards? Which also have finisher potential of course.
Also I would suggest to add Minamo, School at Water's Edge.
5 months ago
Peoni Thank you for the suggestions.
What are your opinions on Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind or both?
With Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Thassa's Oracle is it realistic to try and win this way? I guess 100 cards seems like a lot to me compared to 60?
For Kederekt Parasite My only red permanents are Kess, Dissident Mage and Nekusar, the Mindrazer and Magus of the Wheel but I'm not sure if that really counts.
For 2 cmc rocks am I better off playing those rocks during turns 2 and 3 or playing other cards since most of my non-land cards are 2-3 CMC. Or if I should put bigger mana rocks in like Gilded Lotus to help my mana base later.
My thought with the transmute cards was that a lot of my cards are in the 2 or 3 CMC range. I can definitely see removing Dizzy Spell and Brainspoil since I also have other ways to tutor.
My thought with Diabolic Edict was that it gave me an extra option for sticking on Isochron Scepter. Maybe there are some better Isochron Scepter options here?
With Cowardice I was thinking that it could help protect my creatures and keep the cost of recasting Nekusar, the Mindrazer under control. Also with Minamo, School at Water's Edge, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, and Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep I can bounce opponent commanders. Also it would prevent opponents from using Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots or creature decks pumping up their creatures.
With the bounce sub theme my thought was that it put more cards in hands to be discarded and to hit with wheel effects and the it can also handle indestructible permanents (I'm not too sure how important that is in EDH) also with Warped Devotion it adds some extra discard.
I am definitely leaning into playing less creatures so that I can play board wipes more freely.
Thank you for the suggestions.
I hadn't thought about how the Day's Undoing end of turn effect prevents all the triggers.
For The Rack would you also recommend removing Quest for the Nihil Stone since it also operates on opponents having no/low cars in their hand? Although it hits all opponents and does more damage.
With Consecrated Sphinx and The Locust God it would be the highest CMC card in the deck except for Curse of Fool's Wisdom. Although I still don't have a good feel for EDH so I'm not too sure if 6 CMC would be too high?
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6 months ago
Massacar Decree of Silence is definitely going into the deck. Because why should anyone but me get to play the game lol? A bit pricey, but it's not too over my budget and probably won't be too hard finding a deal on. Dark Depths is a card I forgot existed, but between it and Decree, I'll probably opt for Decree. Will definitely keep it in mind, though, and might use it in my online builds if anything. Cauldron of Souls is neat, but sadly the creatures given Persist lose it after they return to the battlefield. Still, if I have enough creatures on board I'm probably not going to sacrifice the same creature anyway.
saluma That's fine, I think the people I played with already hated me anyway because of Yawgmoth lol. I definitely wouldn't mind building this deck in such a way that it becomes very hard to successfully resolve anything and advance your gameplan, but I'd still like it to be as proactive as possible so I'm not just standing on a back leg the whole time. I like a lot of the cards you mentioned, particularly the first 4.
Omniscience_is_life Aphetto Alchemist and Minamo, School at Water's Edge are the best of these due to low to no cost and free or low activation requirements. I would prefer to have free untap effects, that way I still have mana open for Ertai's ability.
RiotRunner789 Hexmage is cool, though I do wish it was a repeatable effect. That might have been broken if it was, though. Anyway, were I to go Aristocrats, what cards would you recommend that sacrifice for value? I have a Yawgmoth Aristo deck, but that essentially runs solely off of Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. Additionally, I think wheel effects might be preferable to mill effects, especially since in these colors I can use stuff like Notion Thief to ruin everyone's day.
And yes, I was definitely going to include Ertai's Meddling in the deck for the flavor AND utility. The best kind of flavor inclusions, really: stuff that's in theme and that's actually effective on its own.
SynergyBuild Very cool post! I was initially thinking of making this an enchantment-based deck, but I couldn't really find a lot of worthwhile enchantments that provide immediate value or value when they leave the field. They also seem fairly hard to recur; Heliod's Hall and Hanna, Ship's Navigator are the only two cards I can think of that let's you consistently recur them. I looked at the Enchantment Creatures as well, but... a lot of those kind of suck lol. Do you have any other enchantment suggestions of the kind you mentioned? Maybe a list I could look at for ideas?
I definitely didn't want to just make this a counter on a stick kind of deck, which is why I wanted to take this in a reanimator/theft direction so that I'm always doing something each turn.
I think overall, I'd like this to be primarily a reanimator deck with an aristocrats subtheme, but I'm definitely open to many other suggestions seeing how this commander is pretty foreign to me. Tried to build him a long time ago, actually, but it sucked. Now that I'm (hopefully) a better deck builder, I'm trying my hand at it again.