Green Sun's Zenith

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Green Sun's Zenith

Sorcery

Search your library for a green creature card with converted mana cost/mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Shuffle Green Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.

Profet93 on Karlach the Outlander

2 months ago

SoulXCross +1

Godo, Bandit Warlord - Synergy with embercleave, can also tutor greaves if needed.

Berserk - Can also be used on opposing creatures that are attacking your opponents for fun. Double commander damage anyone?

Tooth and Nail - Tutor for big dudes, one that gives has like Xenagos and a big beater

Green Sun's Zenith - Solid tutor

I don't see many draw sources. Have you considered the following...

Rishkar's Expertise - Draw + Tempo

Momentous Fall/Life's Legacy - The former can be used in response to removal, both fold to blue. Nevertheless, it's a huge draw source.

Bonders' Enclave - Land slot

Elder Gargaroth - Versatile

Skullclamp - Forces interaction pre-combat or else you can usually draw if it isn't exile removal

Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - Super ramp, also some draw

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

2 months ago

sergiodelrio I'm also avoiding loose and vague hubs names. They get used incorrectly or are broad to the point of all-inclusive.

Vague hub names have caused problems in the past. One hub in particular (Team America, now inactive) was being used for the wrong decks entirely. It's a Legacy tempo shell from 2008-2009, but was being treated as a synonym for any Jeskai deck, which is about as far away from the intended definition as you can get. I understand the source of the confusion, but a confusing hub is not a good hub, in my opinion. If it can't be understood at a glance, it's going to get reworked.

"Reduced variance" or "low variance" also already exists, kind of, as the "competitive" hub. The whole intent of competitive decks is to reduce variance as much as possible, so that the deck is as streamlined and consistent as possible. This is achieved through tutors, redundancy, deck manipulation, using playsets of cards, and so on. So what would be the criteria for inclusion in a "low variance" hub? I expect that a "low variance" hub would be highly subjective, used for any deck that its creator thinks is unusually consistent, whether or not it actually is.

I have also declined to put in a real tutor hub so far for similar reasons. How many tutors do you need to have to be a "tutor" deck? Is four enough, with Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, and Diabolic Intent? What about Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order, Buried Alive, Terramorphic Expanse, Misty Rainforest, Mystical Tutor... What would be a short and solid description of a "tutor" deck? "A deck that regularly searches its library" would include landfall decks, almost every competitive EDH deck, "silver bullet" decks, and hatebear decks, all of which already have their own hub, and probably more. "A deck with seven or more card that search its owner's library" is arbitrary, as is any other number for inclusion. "A deck that regularly searches its library for specific cards that help it advance its win condition"--nah, I'm going to search for this useless card that doesn't help me at all.

Incidentally, "scry" is already available as a hub in the keyword/subtype checklist.

If a hub includes a $300 Dragon's Approach Pioneer deck, a $80 Elrond, Master of Healing casual Commander deck, and a $50,000 Vintage Beseech the Mirror deck, that hub becomes even broader than the aggro/combo/control archetypes, and as such becomes almost meaningless. I've added Dragon's Approach, Rat Colony, and Shadowborn Apostle to the short list for consideration, so they might be coming soon; I didn't see as many decks or as much diversity for Persistent Petitioners. And don't worry about a long post, as long as it's meaningful. It shows the idea has people willing to defend it and fight for it, which makes it more likely to be included one way or another.

indieinside on How to lose friend Gaddock Teeg

2 months ago

also, you can't play Green Sun's Zenith if your Commander is out.

Azoth2099 on Yeva, Instant Compleation

3 months ago

This has got to be one of the most underrated commanders! Have you considered Allosaurus Shepherd, or it's more economically feasible cousin Destiny Spinner? Fauna Shaman should probably join the party as well. If money isn't an object for you (or if your pod is pro-proxy!) Survival of the Fittest is essential here. Some other staples like Veil of Summer, Autumn's Veil, Heroic Intervention, Worldly Tutor, Chord of Calling, Eldritch Evolution, Natural Order, Green Sun's Zenith, Summoner's Pact & Asceticism will make things more consistent and adaptable.

Good luck refining this one, I'm sure it will end up incredibly powerful!

jarncards on Sleeping Elves Kill

4 months ago

Collected Company is one of the better cards in a deck like this.

If you run Green Sun's Zenith, I think you should run Dryad Arbor 100% of the time. Having the option to 1 mana ramp tutor as needed is the best in the game, even if it's fragile.

If you want to do the whole tap ten elves thing Benefactor's Draught, Vitalize, and Mobilize are useful. And as long as you're using mana dorks, they are good throughout the game. Birchlore Rangers is also a good mana dork for getting either color as needed if it matters. Like some of the others you have it can use creatures with summoning sickness.

Add Regal Force, you'll have the mana, and it draws infinity. Toski, Bearer of Secrets is also amazing at this.

Consider Patriarch's Bidding for when your ridiculous board state earns the response it will deserve. Also Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant

I cant build a green/black deck without Gaze of Granite and Pernicious Deed. They are great

Timberwatch Elf for the commander, or maybe Gempalm Strider might be better than Overrun. Trample isnt so important with so many creatures that will likely outnumber blockers, and the extra card from cycling and utility of another creature is worth considering. Ezuri, Renegade Leader is already in your deck and he's definitely the best option though. Beastmaster Ascension also works like a really inexpensive overun and turns on really easily.

Some of the green and black backgrounds area awesome Criminal Past, Cultist of the Absolute, Haunted One and Raised by Giants will stick around for the next cast even after your commander gets removed.

Consider Constant Mists or even instead of Fog, however I really don't think you need any of the fog effects. Honestly, you might actually need to worry about other people's fogs instead. Questing Beast is the only card that is capable of piercing though a Teferi's Protection or The One Ring in these colors. THrow in a Natural Order and you can get that, or a Craterhoof Behemoth when it matters most

Viridian Zealot, Reclamation Sage, Nullmage Shepherd, and Elvish Lyrist are useful for removal. You already have Glissa, but I dont think she's enough.

Elvish Champion might be your best lord. Pair it with Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth. Also definitely want to add Shizo, Death's Storehouse. Having lathril connect is important.

If you keep the tyvar planeswalkers, Harald Unites the Elves does a lot.

Kithkin Mourncaller might draw cards to use with your excessive mana. Leaf-Crowned Visionary, Skemfar Avenger, Miara, Thorn of the Glade do too, at a cost.

consider Crop Rotation. It can get nythkos, yavimaya.

Looking at your list you have almost nothing that turns on lathril in combat. look at Alpha Authority, Familiar Ground, Alpha Status, Gift of Doom, Rancor, Spider Umbra, Alpha Authority, Canopy Cover, Vorrac Battlehorns. Fallen Ideal is possibly my favorite with the die/sacrifce synergies you already have. Im not a fan of token doublers. I think youd be better off powering up lathril to make more tokens in the first place.

I would dump any ramp card that costs more than 3

artaud21 on Azusa goes Turbo(land)

4 months ago

Did not update the list for long so it's time to look through few cards from latest sets at least:

Cityscape Leveler - artifact version of Ulamog. It's cheaper and repeatable (attack trigger) but being artifacts makes it die from collateral Bane of Progress

Green Sun's Twilight - mini-Genesis Wave is... mini even if it's 2 mana cheaper. Choice to put into hand can be useful for Eldrazis though.

Invasion of Ixalan  Flip - minor searching effect plus minor beater if you can spare 4 combat damage. I think I pass.

Invasion of Ikoria  Flip - powerful card which has to compete with better searching effects in Green Sun's Zenith and Chord of Calling though. Possibility to have 8/8 beater is tempting but gives opponent 6 life first and that may be relevant.

Tranquil Frillback - another variation of Reclamation Sage effects. Versatile but requires for than 3 mana to compete.

The Shire - funny land for Food-based builds. No real use here especially when Ouphe and Bane are around.

Blossoming Tortoise - it ramps (repeatedly) and lower costs of a number of our lands but takes 4CMC slot which is one of the most crowded. Clearly better when using Rude Awakening.

Bramble Familiar - mana dorks do not really fit into Azusa but this one can turn into quasi-seach effect with some for of buyback. Too slow in my opinion.

Feral Encounter - despite being 2CMC it is designed to be cast on Turn 4 or later. Disqualified.

Flayer of Loyalties - this one is interesting. I'm going to swap second Kozilek for it and test how aggressive/oppressive it can be.

Forkbeard on Runadi, Behemoth Caller: Beef Chief

5 months ago

Alright, I've made some changes based on some recent thoughts I've had about this deck, some cards I've been meaning to add + I've incorporated a few of your good suggestions Profet93, cheers:

In:

  • Ancient Tomb
  • Garruk's Uprising
  • Heroic Intervention
  • Kenrith's Transformation
  • Last March of the Ents
  • Monster Manual
  • Return of the Wildspeaker
  • Sanctum of Ugin
  • Thought Vessel
  • Tribute to the World Tree

  • Out:

  • Archetype of Endurance - I've had success Tooth & Nailing this lad + Platinum Emperion into play for a soft lock, but I agree that the redundancy for the cost is really unnecessary + is not core to the game plan.
  • Dryad Arbor - Kept it in here for that rare but sweet GSZ tutor for turn 1 ramp, but Ancient Tomb is the superior choice by a wide margin, lol.
  • Eldrazi Conscription - Win-more and unnecessary.
  • Endless Atlas - As mentioned, better draw exists in green.
  • Green Sun's Zenith - Removed as my green targets are limited and I think I have enough tutors already.
  • Platinum Emperion - An expensive to cast, unnecessary defense card.
  • Strip Mine - Swapped in Sanctum of Ugin for this. I think the tutor potential might be more handy than land removal.
  • Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - The douche of all douches, this guy is so expensive and is such a kill on sight boi - because he hoses the whole table & typically just makes me the enemy/target, it usually dies to removal. Like, immediately.
  • World Breaker - Swapped out for the more efficient removal spell, Kenrith's Transformation
  • Zhulodok, Void Gorger - I've had a chance to play this guy a couple times now and he's just too clunky in a non-fully colourless build

  • The average CMC is still atrocious here but that's ok, I think some of these changes will help smooth things out a teensy bit. This is my big dumb stompy funsies deck and I don't necessarily need it to be supremely optimized with the perfect curve etc. I do think the revised ramp, draw & removal suites look a wee bit better after these changes and I'm excited to see how it plays.

    SteelSentry on Craterhoof Behemoth or Moonshaker Cavalry?

    5 months ago

    Craterhoof Behemoth is fetchable by Summoner's Pact and Green Sun's Zenith, which would make me personally lean towards Hoof. Besides that, it depends on the meta; if you've got a deck that pumps out little flyers like The Locust God or Pia Nalaar, Consul of Revival you regularly play against, there's a good chance they might survive the cavalry, but there's also decks that are totally vulnerable in the air that would have no chance.

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