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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Discussion
3 days ago
What I like about Jodah is that I also have a Jodah deck -- Jodah Has a Few Tricks Up His Sleeve -- that I think is kickass, but using the compare decks feature I see that there's a difference of ~55 cards. It's sweet that he facilitates such a wide variety of decks -- there's no single best way to build it. I run a much lower CMC list, there are some differences simply because I don't have the cards ( Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , Emrakul, the Promised End , Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger ), and I see why you wouldn't want to play Omniscience and Show and Tell .
Anyways, here's a handful of the cards that I run and you don't that I've had good results with:
Bringer of the Black Dawn - paying WUBRG for the Bringers is sweet if Jodah gets removed
Vial Smasher the Fierce - the high CMC of Jodah decks makes Vial Smasher awesome
Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder - adding cascade is great
Teferi's Protection - your primer says you run it but your list doesn't have it
2 weeks ago
LittleBlueHero I red the same or similar thread on the MTGSalvation and it does seem like a cool idea, but I think Wizards will stray a bit from such a dark and gloomy theme as printing 4 villains decks. Maybe 2v2 heroes and villains, but then again that does remind a little too much to the old duel decks.
As for a little side note: The recent sets (recent emm give or take 16 years :D) have tried to shift the focus on black as the main villain color towards the others, because black is more about individuality, which like other colors can be taken to extreme.
Non-black villains: Konda, Lord of Eiganjo - Stole That Which Was Taken in order to become immortal, which resulted in the Kami War Meloku the Clouded Mirror - Helped Konda with his plan, but intended to claim the entire plane for himself and the soratami.
Heliod, God of the Sun - After Xenagos, he's the second villain in the Theroes storyline. He also killed Elspeth.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite - Currently supposed elader of New Phyrexia
Dovin Baan - Major antagonist in Kaladesh and War of the spark story lines
Baral, Chief of Compliance - murdered Chandra's father, another major antagonist from Kaladesh
Pretty much the entire Consulate from Kaladesh is white-blue aligned.
Vivien Reid - while technically not a villain she does represent a ...certain side of the green mana. (MTGWiki quotes her saying that "She wants to destroy the cancer of civilization"...ouch)
Black heroes: Drana, Liberator of Malakir - Fought on the side of the Gatewatch against the Eldrazi.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - Fought against the Consulate in the Kaladesh story line.
Toshiro Umezawa - major protagonist in the Kami War
Sorin Markov - despite his panache and the whole War of the spark scene with Nahiri, he's still one f the three who imprisoned the Eldrazi Titans. Also created Avacyn to protect mankind on innistrad.
Lord Windgrace - Fought against Phyrexia alongside the Nine Titans. Sacrificed himself to seal a time rift in Dominaria.
There could be more examples but I can't think of any at this time.
P.S. I may have gone overboard with this much examples as is :S
2 weeks ago
Sry for making a third comment. Sigarda, Host of Herons is protection and also Mirari's Wake is good for hardcasting. Void Winnower and Zacama, Primal Calamity are good and also Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite I wouldn’t add I though because u will have no friends by the end of the day.
3 weeks ago
lifemtg, I have basically built the meta I play in. I play at home usually, with my boys. Every now and then I'm able to get out into the wild and play, but its not very often right now. I wish it were different, but thems the breaks for now.
The deck started out as a budget build, but it isn't condemned to never being upgraded. But I want to retain the theme of the deck, the simplicity of making big mana dorks.
As for your suggestions:
Austere Command : I will consider this one. Being flexible based on the size of my creatures at the time could be handy. Trostani Discordant : She is useful for preventing theft, but otherwise doesn't fit the theme of the deck. Worth consideration, though. Teferi's Protection : Always good, but always expensive. I've got one copy freed up.... Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite : No thanks. $20, and a card that makes other people hate the game...like I said, I play with my sons, and I want them to keep playing with me. Sylvan Library : Always good, but not always necessary. I have some copies, but this deck doesn't need one. I've got plenty of other card draw. Herald's Horn : If "Mana Dork" were a creature type...but even then, this deck is pretty low to the ground as it is. Camaraderie : this could probably replace Collective Unconscious . Same CMC, but also gains life. Finale of Glory and Luminarch Ascension : I'm not really running a token deck, although these cards would flood the board nicely. Skullclamp : not a sacrifice deck, so I tend to save the 'Clamp for things like that. Plenty of other draw in the deck. Nissa, Voice of Zendikar : Useful. Even though she makes tokens, her minus and ult would be solid in here. Worth consideration. Gavony Township : Also useful and worth considering. It's a slightly worse Karn's Bastion in here, and I like redundancy.
Thanks for the suggestions, again!
3 weeks ago
Here are some more budget and non budget cards. Austere Command would be a better and more versatile board wipes. Although the cmc is higher it should be easy with your mana dorks and such. Trostani Discordant makes sure your creatures can’t be stolen and gives them +1/+1. Shanna, Sisay's Legacy would be a great creature for 2. Teferi's Protection is good. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is OP in any deck. Sylvan Library , and Herald's Horn , considering a lot of your creatures Elf Druids, but really the ratio isn’t high but still it would be a cool add but definitely not something that is game changing. Camaraderie is cool. Another X spell I didn’t mention is Finale of Glory . Skullclamp will help with emergencies card draws. Luminarch Ascension and also Nissa, Voice of Zendikar , Gavony Township .
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
Kiyomei - The best hate cards to shut down Brago are Aven Mindcensor and Torpor Orb . Brago searches the library constantly. Usually multiple times a turn. And obviously etb triggers is the name of the game. Brago also struggles against Ensnaring Bridge , Maze of Ith , Spore Frog , Constant Mists or anything else that prevents him from dealing damage. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite making him a 0/2 for example. Anything that prevents him from triggering is the most relevant hate. Often that is simply targeted removal or a board wipe. An early Aura of Silence can also be painful to fight through because of the tax and built-in removal. Vandalblast overload can hose Brago as well.
Sanctum Prelate on 2 would stop Strionic Resonator , Lightning Greaves , most counterspells, many mana rocks, Power Artifact , Cyclonic Rift , etc. I think 2 would be best against Brago. However, 3 does stop Fabricate , Basalt Monolith , and Rings of Brighthearth ; and 1 stops Swords to Plowshares , Path to Exile , some counterspells, some mana rocks, Sensei's Divining Top , Silence , etc. If I was playing against Brago I would choose 2. Next best is 1 in my opinion, then 3.
1 month ago
KibaAlpha I agree, Ashen Rider and Darien, King of Kjeldor could go. Gotta disagree on the Grand Abolisher , though. Lots of spellslingers and "nope" decks in my meta, and it has saved me the trouble of being hit with a counterspell or Maze of Ith . I like the idea of seeing Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite in there, and I have a Phyrexian Reclamation lying around. Burnished Hart is a good staple, and I need to get my hands on an Anguished Unmaking . Thanks for the tips!
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
GW (Selesnya): 1.08%