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|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Mythic Rare|
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Legendary Creature — Praetor
Other creatures you control get +2/+2.
Creatures your opponents control get -2/-2.
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Discussion
15 hours ago
Thank you Cereal_Killer for your thoughts. I really appreciate it. Now to address some of your concerns.
Making sure that I have the early game removal or stall tools is important so that I can survive in the case where I have to hard cast an angel or Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. So Path to Exile is a fantastic suggestion and I will indeed include it in an updated list.
Lastly, Anointed Procession and Doubling Season are only currently being used to make more tokens off of Helm of the Host. Looking at it again shows me that this is way too greedy and will result in a dead draw more often than not. What I will do about it, whether it's add more token synergy or reduce the amount of token doublers to better reflect how much token generation the deck already has, I don't know. I will think about it and post what I will do in an update later.
Again, Thank you for your input and hopefully this deck will continue to improve.
16 hours ago
So, basically, you need to survive till you can cast an angel or Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. And that's why you have added Ixalan's Binding, Luminous Bonds and Pacifism, right? In my opinion there is a better choice than the last two cards: Path to Exile.
Then, why don't you add more Cavern of Souls so you can find them easily? Same thing for Avacyn's Pilgrim and Birds of Paradise, since they help you having mana and you could also use them as blockers (are you scare and opponent would kill them? Well, better them than the angels. Or just use Sakura-Tribe Elder). If you want to spend money on it also Noble Hierarch could be a suggestion
You have Anointed Procession and Doubling Season. Could be an idea to add some token generator (Raise the Alarm, Timely Reinforcements) or some planeswalkers (Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Elspeth Tirel, Elspeth, Sun's Champion) to protect yourself for the first turns or make a big army in late game?
And, in my opinion, you could add Windswept Heath removing some basic lands. Fetches are always a good idea for me
Last thing, I understand Serum Powder is a really good card cause it lets you take a mulligan drawing 7 cards instead of 6, but I'm not sure about it's utility in the deck
1 day ago
Going three colour comes at a real cost though.
There are definitely advantages to black, and I have seen some Jund variations of this deck. But I like the primary plan being to cast Eldritch Evolution for a haymaker (especially Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, I love how many decks that beats single handed).
4 days ago
I realize now I didn't answer your question, Wallisface. Paths and Wraths against aggro, and usually I can survive long enough to use Lancers grab Elly or Elly, and by that point I'm usually in a good position.
I'd say with this deck I've won maybe 60% of games with this deck.
1 week ago
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Serra Ascendant in a Vampire deck? Seems a little bit weird. Conspiracy maybe... I also recommend to find a place for Blade of the Bloodchief. Not sure about Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - I use it in monocolored decks only (just like Vampire Nocturnus - this guy is great in mono B Vampires but he is much less effective in Mardu builds). What do you think about Maze of Ith? Or Vesuva? Seems a little bit more interesting. I also see Sorin Markov in your maybeboard. You added Eldrazi Monument so token generators are much more preferable. Sorin, Lord of Innistrad or Sorin, Solemn Visitor for example. And yes, don't forget about Anointed Procession if you want to get tons of tokens. I also recommend to think about board wipes: Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Damnation, Languish etc. Even Obliterate. Why not? Eerie Interlude + Obliterate and a very big surprise is guaranteed :)
1 week ago
I would say it probably needs a touch more removal so your game plan is not disrupted. I have my own angel deck which goes wide in typical Timmy fashion, however; it crumbles in a 3v1 scenario. I would maybe add one or two board wipes, staples removal spells like Return to Dust, Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile. a good board wipe needs to be versatile like Austere Command or can act as a really good deterrent such as Nevinyrral's Disk
Some good angels to get for this deck are the Admonition Angel, Linvala, Keeper of Silence and Iona, Shield of Emeria pus it would be a funny combo with your Helm of the Host. Another angel I would recommend is Dawnbreak Reclaimer since it is reanimation plus you can make deals with opponents to get your good stuff back. Grand Abolisher is a must have in any angel tribal since it is kind of annoying if all your high value angels are countered for 2 mana. While I like Crovax, Ascendant Hero, If you wanted to; Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is simply better and for more value plus it buffs all your creatures regardless and kills all your opponents 2/2's (which 90% of the time would be hatebears like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Ethersworn Canonist or any other annoying af enemy) plus it kills Arcum Dagsson so theres bonus points (seriously, screw that Dagsson guy).
in terms of mana rocks, Sol Ring is a staple, to get some of the higher end Angels I would recommend mana rocks such as Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone since adding one coloured mana in a mono colour deck such as angels simply doesn't do enough. adding tons of colourless mana to pay the generic cost of angels is worth it though.
Overall I would say this deck gets an upvote for how fun it looks and for potential and versatility.
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1 week ago
Looks like you're going a bit too all-in on your high drops without enough protection. In particular, I'd cut Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Shaman of the Great Hunt, and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite for some Lightning Bolts and/or Path to Exiles. I also prefer Rest in Peace to Relic of Progenitus as graveyard hate in the board.
1 week ago
Though I will share my ultimate EDH control method with you all ;)
Things like Night of Souls' Betrayal work as well.
- All lands are swamps
- All swamps are 1/1s
- Creatures you don't control get -2/-2
All lands you don't control die to State based actions, and whenever a land comes into play that you don't control, it dies.
You forever lock your opponents out of a land base for the rest of the game.
Enjoy your new friendless life.