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|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Mythic Rare|
|New Phyrexia (NPH)||Mythic Rare|
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Legendary Creature — Praetor
Other creatures you control get +2/+2.
Creatures your opponents control get -2/-2.
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Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Discussion
5 days ago
Not going to lie, I would really hate to go against this deck when it gets going. It is as you said though, I would recommend adding cards that would let you draw more. I'm not entirely sure of some cards like that as I'm more of a dimir or mono green edh player myself. On some card suggestions though, I'm not sure why you have grand Coliseum or turnished Citadel. If you're using them for white mana, I'd recommend just using plains or something that doesn't damage you. I do understand the damage dealt is completely negligible, personally I'd just avoid it altogether. Now some cards I would recommend based on this set up are; Congregate , Serra's Guardian , Divine Visitation because why have humans when you can have Angels? Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , Increasing Devotion , Angelic Accord , Angel's Feather , Ajani's Pridemate , and Haazda Marshal . Like I said, I'd personally would be interested and also hate myself for going against it when you start gaining life
1 week ago
The easiest way to allow a community to make a set, would be to make it as a combination of two sets together. This would allow people to draw on inspiration from both sets, and implicitly present design guidelines for the cards in the set: each card must feel like it would fit on one plane or the other, or a mix of the two, but nowhere else.
Let's roll with the Steampunk-Angel idea. Here's my solution:
If we look at the flavor text on Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite : "The Gitaxians whisper among themselves of other worlds. If they exist, we must bring Phyrexia's magnificence to them." And we see the Planar Bridge was invented on Kaladesh, I vote we design this set with the theme of "a Phyrexian invasion on Kaladesh". We know New Phyrexia had angels, with Shattered Angel , Chancellor of the Annex and others, all in Elesh Norn colors, so we can justify the corrupted angel theme on a steampunk world.
Doing it this way, would solve all questions about setting, mechanics and lore in a way that any player would understand without having to read an entire thread of backstory.
3 weeks ago
Alright so this is where things get difficult lol. Right now the deck has some semblance of agro and control but its currently being bogged down by things that don’t contribute anything or enough to warrant their spot. I’m going to suggest a lot of cuts and for each one I’ll offer a decent replacement that will not only make all of our lives miserable but also contribute to making the deck far more resilient and difficult to stop. Creatures to cut
- Aegis of the Gods
- Archangel of Thune
- Archangel of Tithes
- Baird, Steward of Argive
- Basandra, Battle Seraph
- Captain of the Watch
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
- Firemane Angel
- Guardian of the Gateless
- Herald of War
- Odric, Lunarch Marshal
- Pyreheart Wolf
- Seraph of Dawn
- Soul's Attendant
- Tajic, Legion's Edge
Creatures to Add
- Alms Collector
- Aven Mindcensor
- Combat Celebrant
- Containment Priest
- Eidolon of Rhetoric
- Godo, Bandit Warlord
- Magus of the Wheel
- Mother of Runes
- Relic Seeker
- Samurai of the Pale Curtain
- Spirit of the Labyrinth
- Stonehewer Giant
- Sublime Archangel
- Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle
- Viashino Heretic
Noncreature Spells to Cut
- Dragon Throne of Tarkir
- Elixir of Immortality
- Hedron Matrix
- Moonsilver Spear
- Power Matrix
- Tablet of the Guilds
- Worn Powerstone
- Celestial Mantle
- Ghostly Prison
- Gleam of Battle
- Holy Mantle
- Ordeal of Heliod
- Revoke Existence
- Safe Passage
Noncreature Spells to Add
- Boros Charm
- Crush Contraband
- Path to Exile
- Swords to Plowshares
- Smothering Tithe
- Aggravated Assault
- Open the Armory
- Reforge the Soul
- Steelshaper's Gift
- Coalition Relic
- Coldsteel Heart
- Fellwar Stone
- Gilded Lotus
- Sword of Feast and Famine
- Sword of the Animist
Now what these additions will do is smooth out your mana curve and make you come out swinging far more quickly in more consistently. The additions include another outlet to go infinite through Sword of Feast and Famine and Aggravated Assault . They also contain multiple ways to tutor up Helm of the Host and win. Combat Celebrant and Godo, Bandit Warlord each go infinite with helm and Godo will tutor for it himself and place it straight onto the battlefield.
We also tighten up your control package with cheap removal and creatures that limit what you’re opponents can do. I can provide more explanations in person if you like.
Remember these are only suggestions lol But if you try them I think you’ll like how much faster the deck pops off.
3 weeks ago
I don't care who says it, be it the allmighty, or channelfireball or whomever else. Terminus is not a bad card. Its brutal against phoenix & dredge, where you don't exactly want to see hardcast phoenixes, early(er than usual) drakes, fast flipping titi, open mana for counters, or a board flooded with hardcast creatures, hardcast creeping chills, and conflagrates, and we also have to acknowledge that it can be cast on turn 2 & 3 - its only competition is Settle the Wreckage , which can hurt you later game, can be slower and loose you the game, most other wrath are very lacking in the current meta. However for my deck it doesn't matter which one does my opponent use - i am somewhat fucked either way.
For control, i can present a pretty reasonable clock (swing for 3 on turn 2, swing for 8 on turn 3), and more importantly, noone expects magus of the moon out of an RW deck, and once its down, you cannot get any but red mana. Cards like gaddock teeg also help a LOT, not to mention that Life's Legacy allows me to rebuild my hand an board pretty reasonably. My problem with control is that i can only go with my beatdown plan, since my combo plan - unlike against other decks doesn't work.
Aegis of the Gods is in the sideboard to combat decks like ad nauseam, mill, present a must kill (cheap) target against targeted discard GB(x), 8-rack (which is relevant since my bro is an 8-rack fanatic), and its also a must kill creature for burn. Its also not my only viable cards in these matchups, as Eidolon of Rhetoric , Gaddock Teeg , also hinder the enemy.
THE POINT OF THIS DECK IS THAT EVERY CREATURE IN THE SIDEBOARD HAS 4 ADDITIONAL COPIES IN Eldritch Evolution . Thus to have the same chances of drawing the effect i have to play 4x Leyline of Sanctity and 1x Ivory Mask .
In previous iterations, i used to rely more heavily on lands, running 4 copies of Knight of the Reliquary in my 75 to enable this, i also played Sejiri Steppe in stead of Endless Sands , as it allowed knight to act as Mother of Runes - sadly it simply didn't work out. And i tend to have lots of creatures, since all my effects are attached to a body (and most of them come back from the grave), not to mention, my 4 of It of the Horrid Swarm creates plenty of tokens to be buffed. I would also like to point out that by the time i have 5 lands to enable activation of Gavony Township Strangleroot Geist tends to die at least once - so it already has a +1/+1 counter, meaning undying is already off the table
3 weeks ago
I recommend double-sleeving if you're using original dual. :-)
Also, I recommend removing:
Armageddon --> LOL, you just wanna [Armageddon + Teferi's Protection]
Temporal Mastery --> Temporal Manipulation is good enough.
Torrential Gearhulk --> You don't get much value from blinking this, unless you have reliable instant-speed blinks that I'm missing.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor : Maybe add more raw card advantage or filters to get rid of excess mana, instead? (But shoot, Jace is Jace, so there's that).
Brago, King Eternal : This is great, but requires both board state and combat dmg to really take advantage with it.
Spellseeker : I count 9 possible fetches. I don't think you get your value in. I would only keep this in if you're running the Dramatic Scepter combo.
Bolas's Citadel Give it a playtest. I think you might need a little more top deck matters, but your commander can help.
Spark Double NAS-TAY!
Oath of Kaya Spot removal/life gain.
Massacre Girl Board wipe on a permanent. You can always blink her the same turn to get the ball rolling. Also gets around indestructible.
Ashiok, Dream Render Stops opponents searches, mills, and can be reset by Aminatou
Deadeye Navigator gives you some evasion AND instant speed blinks.
Peregrine Drake why not?
Mystic Remora you can blink away the cumulative upkeep
Reflector Mage Bounce Removal
Disinformation Campaign : Double Card Advantage. Hits your opponents hand, and gives you a card.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General : This is a maybe. If you have aminatou when it hits the battlefield, you have potential of forcing players to sac 4 creatures that turn. Situational, but powerful. Probably have better stuff at the 6 drop.
Ashen Rider : Another maybe. Benefit of exiling ANY permenant is worth looking into. 8 CMC is harsh though.
3 weeks ago
- Endless Sands is a fairly important card I might recommend exploration map. If you start to run more colorless spells (other than land) Ancient Stirrings is another card to look at.
- Aegis of the Gods is nice for matches where they have spells that target you however they also tend to have lots of removal, so you want Leyline of Sanctity in your sideboard. Also having only one copy of a card in your sideboard, usually doesn't work very well because if you really need that card for that match up it becomes hard to draw. a 2nd copy does a lot.
- Gavony Township goes against Strangleroot Geist being undying isnt as good now. This land card tend to work best when you have lots of creatures. So its a lot better in token decks.
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite kills a lot of cards in modern. It kills every creature in burn, every human if it doesn't get any buffs. if you can considerately get that card out its worth building around.
3 weeks ago
Hi. I was going to recommend Helm of Obedience that combos with Rest in Peace . But now I read that you don't wanna play any infinite combos. You are playing a deck that kinda wanna do that. Because here comes my biggest concern.
Stax needs to lead into something. Usually beatdown. Or the helm of peace combo. I will recommend the helm of peace combo. But if you still wanna go the no infinite combo. I think you should play Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite . Or something like that. It is a big stax hatebear that overrun all opponents. This creature is a great finisher.
Then there are some cards you don't really need. For example Angel's Grace and Simian Spirit Guide . The monkey is good for fast combo decks. And you usually play the angel spell together with Ad Nauseam .
3 weeks ago
I think I have the following:
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
GW (Selesnya): 1.08%