|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|From the Vault: Realms (V12)||Mythic Rare|
|Masters Edition II (ME2)||Rare|
|Ice Age (ICE)||Uncommon|
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Cumulative upkeep-Pay 2 life. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
When Glacial Chasm enters the battlefield, sacrifice a land.
Creatures you control can't attack.
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you.
Glacial Chasm Discussion
3 hours ago
It's an interesting LD/tax take on Lord Windgrace .
I think there might be a little too much saturation of colourless in the mana base. One way to solve this would be to add Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as this would fix for black mana. This also combos well with Cabal Coffers if you want large amounts of mana in the mid-to-late game after ramping out. The main reason to bring this up is that it can hurt your opening hands when you need to ramp/tutor to set up ramp.
As you are only running 18 creatures, Gaea's Cradle may not be the best fit as you've only got access to maybe three token generators in Titania, Protector of Argoth , Omnath, Locus of Rage and Field of the Dead , all of which are very slow ways to start churning out creatures and for which you have limited tutors. Avenger of Zendikar may be a better fit if you're wanting to keep this card in as it has the potential to generate a lot of tokens on ETB to buff up those numbers to get the most out of Gaea's Cradle
Hour of Promise is a great card to tutor out most of the two-land synergies like Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage , Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers or Glacial Chasm + Throne of the High City . I highly recommend it as an effective land tutor.
Also considering the number of mountains you are running in the deck, it may be good to review whether Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle is a good fit as you are completely reliant on Prismatic Omen + Splendid Reclamation or Scapeshift to make this work, which can be rather painful to assemble when you're having to spend premium tutors to find it.
I would suggest dropping Forge of Heroes for another utility land or basic as Lord WINgrace isn't really going to benefit from 1 extra starting loyalty unless you're only planning on downticking for two turns. Further I can't think of a lot of use for Rishadan Port outside of a 1v1 game (as the effects you have that don't allow lands to untap have the stipulation 'tap for mana'), and even then the best way to deal with this would be something like Wasteland or Strip Mine to just straight up get rid of whatever land is causing you problems. The last land that looks odd is Dryad Arbor . I haven't really found much of a use for Dryad Arbor outside of really fringe circumstances where you're looking to block massive damage from a creature without trample or maybe throw an extra creature at a sacrifice effect to protect an important one. With Kessig Wolf Run you could end of turn fetch to deal with summoning sickness and just sink tonnes of mana into making it a big trampler during your turn but I feel that this strategy leaves you very vulnerable in the process (especially since anything with first strike or a single damage will just remove it). The inability to tap for mana on the turn it enters, along with it being rather vulnerable as a creature make it just a bit lacklustre compared to the multitude of other utility lands that are out there.
I like the Inkmoth Nexus + Karn's Bastion before setting up a Glacial Chasm and just slowly proliferating the opponent or just throw a Kessig Wolf Run on there for lethal infect, but I haven't really seen this strategy in action a whole lot.
Finally, you might also want to check your red mana ratios for Tectonic Reformation and I'm unsure whether you'll be able to cycle more than 1 or 2 cards a turn, could be wrong but a from a glance it looks a little thin. Again this leans a bit too heavy on Prismatic Omen to be reliable.
4 days ago
Boomcat12B - Thanks, I like that combo. Ruby Medallion could easily replace out a land or Fellwar Stone . We don't generally play infinite combos in my playgroup, but having one 3-card combo in a 99 deck that doesnt tutor?!?... probably not that big a deal. And any of the pieces are good by themselves.
Meekstone - dont think I have seen it in play a ton, but its nice to slow down my attackers. The problem I have now is that the moment I pull out this deck I am a target from turn 1. So have thrown in a few like Crawlspace and Glacial Chasm just to slow my playgroup down. And I only tend to play this deck at the end of the night, for that final game.
Thanks for the view.
5 days ago
Apparently this deck needs some way to deal with Darksteel Forge and Glacial Chasm style non-creature decks. Have to think on a solution hopefully a tutor able creature solution, or a tutorable (limited) enchantment.
1 month ago
Hey! I have a Mina and Denn deck too, and it's my personal favorite. Some suggestions on additional lands: Glacial Chasm is a good way to protect yourself if you're in dire straights and your commander can return it to your hand to avoid the upkeep cost. Ghost Town is great for some free extra land plays.
Here's a link to my deck, we've each taken different approaches, but here it is in case you were interested. Also, just wanted to say that I love Mina and Denn and the extra landfalls and instant speed trample on demand and I get really annoyed when people tell me I should switch my commander to Omnath. Don't give in, and keep playing lands! :) https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mina-and-denns-huge-tracts-of-land/?cb=1572946269
1 month ago
1 month ago
You usually just take the damage, as long as you have more than 24 life. If you have less than 24 then you can have Glacial Chasm , Whip of Erebos , Deadly Wanderings or Homicidal Seclusion in play to prevent the damage from Belzenlok.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Thanks for the input Bighimmy!
So I've gone through the list and my understanding is that you mean proactive interaction/removal. So from the deck list thus far there is:
- Assassin's Trophy
- Beast Within
- Windgrace's Judgement
- Pernicious Deed
- World Shaper
- Acidic Slime
For boardwipes there are:
Now for some of the other options I've gone through in the past I personally don't feel like a few of them are really worth it, and feel free to discuss these since there's always going to be something that I'm missing or haven't really thought about. My thoughts on:
- Chaos Warp : This is an attractive option, it deals with anything and you can even use it on your own permanents to try and spin into something more useful. It means that certain threats don't go to the graveyard (for reanimation or death triggers) and can get lost in the deck. However, from past experience I'm much more a fan of Assassin's Trophy as you can then Bojuka Bog to exile the threat along with the rest of the graveyard. This is a less risky option, and I completely understand why people go to it but I know I'll be kicking myself once a Chaos Warp turns a threat into a bigger threat.
- Gaze of Granite : Pernicious Deed just does everything that Gaze of Granite does that much better with the only exception being planeswalkers. You don't have to sink all your mana into the casting (so if it gets countered it's not a complete loss) and furthermore you can use Pernicious Deed at instant speed, which is a massive way to interact with non-creature permanent-based strategies (such as enchantments and artifacts).
- Go for the Throat / Doom Blade / Dismember / Abrupt Decay : I'm not a massive fan of conditional removal in commander because my rule of thumb is that the broadest answer is the best answer the vast majority of cases.
- Putrefy : for the longest time I played this in the deck before Ravnica Allegiances rolled around and Bedevil took its place. The ability to interact with planeswalkers is fantastic, but the key thing I think is that the inability to regenerate clause from Putrefy isn't of massive concern for this deck for a couple of reasons. Firstly regeneration isn't particularly common, and when it is you're dealing with Asceticism in which case you're not Putrefying anything. Otherwise you have access to Damnation which doesn't allow regeneration and Toxic Deluge which also doesn't allow regeneration.
- Force of Vigor : I started playing this in my Ayula, Queen Among Bears commander deck and in mono green it is the best answer to a lot of early game and late game threats. Current this deck has 42 green cards so there's no shortage of fodder to play this for free on your opponent's turn, but I'm unsure as to what this supercedes in the deck currently.
- Casualties of War : as a budget option this is fine but the sorcery speed makes this lacklustre.
- Noxious Revival : This was on the radar for a while when I was concerned about getting Glacial Chasm destroyed and then getting exiled, however there is not really a reliable way to recur this effect, and it is not particularly powerful (though has some utility due to being able to play it at instant speed for nothing). My other concern was that it requires an additional step to get it into hand, so if you draw it for turn, you would need a way to draw an additional card to then get whatever you need from the graveyard to your hand. As a redundant effect for Eternal Witness I understand, however I think it is too much of a corner case and I would be more of a fan of Regrowth -like as you will have access massive amounts of excess mana from Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers . I imagine something like this will come along some time in the near future, it's only a matter of time.
- Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast / Guttural Response : I find that this angle of interaction is far too narrow to really be applicable unless you know there is a very high chance of versing counterspells in your local meta. This is why I find that Boseiju, Who Shelters All is a better solution to this problem, primarily because it can be searched off abilities and deals with the majority of effects while being difficult to interact with itself. Now the way your opponents can get around this is effects like Venser, Shaper Savant , Narset's Reversal or any other Unsubstantiate -type abilities. I learned to simply accept this as a weakness of the deck given the colours. The archetype is rather weak to its inability to interact with the stack, but I think there are more unconventional ways around this, such as Contamination to punish their mana base or by waiting until your counter-laden opponents are tapped out from trying to deal with each other. I think that this is a fair trade off for this deck being difficult to interact with.
The main weakness of this deck I believe is its inability to deal with mill and combo effectively, vulnerability to bounce effects on the stack like Venser, Shaper Savant and counterspells. I've found that these weaknesses can be reduced with a couple of strategies:
- Playing some political cards Pir's Whim + Tempt with Discovery + Rites of Flourishing to try and ameliorate the board (and not draw the ire of anyone who might have a counter available),
- Building up a solid land base from both a deckbuilding and play perspective to support a late-game comeback due to the lack of cards that effectively interact with land-base strategies, and
- The ability to play around counterspells and interaction, such as Boseiju, Who Shelters All and reliance on using abilities rather than just spells.
So after a little more testing, Elvish Reclaimer is an absolute house in being able to effectively Crop Rotation each turn to more reliable tutor out either ramping or utility land. The summoning sickness issue means that again this does not pull this deck back from the brink in the late game, but as an early game drop it provides access to both stocking the graveyard for Lord Windgrace and fixing mana for the later game. I regret my initial skepticism on this addition and think it is a great upgrade for the deck.
I am planning on adding in Korvold, Fae-Cursed King shortly because I think another Gitrog Monster will be welcome here. I think I'll finally have to pull the trigger on cutting Zuran Orb , it's been there since the start...
Glacial Chasm occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%