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Seedborn Muse Discussion
2 days ago
I've played Ghave for about 7 years now, and I think I have some advice that may be able to help you out. My deck is here, for reference: Ghave: Baby Makin' and Alimony
One thing I notice right off the bat is you have several slower token producers, but none of them are as efficient as Ghave. You also have several sources for +1/+1 counters for Ghave to turn into tokens, but you're missing some very strong ones that I'll recommend now:
Ivy Lane Denizen is extremely good. Unlike Phytohydra, it's not reliant upon combat to make tokens, just the fact that a token entered will allow you to put a counter somewhere, which you can use to make another token. Similarly, Good-Fortune Unicorn , Juniper Order Ranger , and Bloodspore Thrinax are way better at this than several cards you're currently running. Sigil Captain is another solid choice.
I would recommend cutting Phytohydra, Grateful Apparition, Mikaeus, the Lunarch, Managorger Hydra, and Phantom Nishoba to add in the above cards, as they'll help you produce tokens way more consistently with just Ghave.
Similarly, you need mana in order to make tokens, so adding in things like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip and Cryptolith Rite will help your mana production sizably. Seedborn Muse can function like a token doubler, as if you have a source of +1/+1 counters (like Sigil Captain, for example), and only 5 mana, with Seedborn you can produce 20 tokens in a round of turns instead of just 5 (and they'll all be 2/2s at minimum to boot).
Doubling Season and the like are expensive, but Illusionist's Bracers is much, much cheaper and effectively becomes a Doubling Season when attached to Ghave (as you remove 1 +1/+1 counter to make 2 tokens, or sac 1 creature to put 2 +1/+1 counters on something). Definitely worth an include, in my opinion.
To fit in some of the other things mentioned, like Seedborn, Cryptolith Rite, etc., you could probably remove Scute Mob (it does nothing until you have 5 lands), Voldaren Pariah (this is not a great creature), you actually are one card short as Eliminate the Competition is in here twice, and then you could probably cut a Planeswalker as well.
Ghave helms a really fun deck so I hope this helps.
1 week ago
1 week ago
My first suggestion is you include the big three xerox spells: Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . They may not look like much, but superior card-selection for one blue is hard to argue with. I run them in every blue deck, though I think you'll need more shuffle effects to make Brainstorm good. Though I don't recommend them, you can also consider second-class cantrips like Serum Visions , Sleight of Hand and Opt .
My second suggestion is that you include the one-mana mana-dorks. I see you have Elvish Mystic , but running Birds of Paradise and Arbor Elf can be very helpful too. Utopia Sprawl works really well with Arbor Elf .
I think some of the two-mana ramp spells could be improved; I've never been a fan of Rampant Growth . Consider Nature's Lore (or its $100 cousin, Three Visits ) and/or Farseek . These can get non-basics, like your Breeding Pool , and Nature's Lore etbs untapped.
Evolution Sage is a card that MAY be good, but I'm not sure. Not having an immediate board-impact is a major downer, but its ability may be good enough to make it worth including. Playtesting can help.
Windfall is an excellent card-draw spell if you're down on cards. I suggest running Narset, Parter of Veils to act as a stax piece that is particularly abusive with Windfall . (Note that if you do end up with proliferate effects, you can proliferate her and get extra activations.) Other good card-draw spells include Fact or Fiction , Concentrate , Tezzeret's Gambit , Harmonize ...
Mystic Remora is a GREAT card. I personally think it's better than Rhystic Study , but I'm sure that'll raise a lot of hell (I also think Griselbrand should be unbanned, so I'm used to getting yelled at).
Wirewood Symbiote is a card you may want to consider. It words well with cards like your Reclamation Sage and can protect your guys from getting Toxic Deluge -d, and can buy you more triggers with your mana elf etbs for your general.
Depending on how many creatures you tend to have out, Slate of Ancestry could be a powerhouse. If you don't want to use that, running something like Collector Ouphe to fetch off Green Sun's Zenith can raise your decks chances against storm and the like significantly.
Opposition is a card I've been seeing more and more in powerful EDH decks these days. If you pair it with tokens and Seedborn Muse , Opposition can win the game on the spot. Adding something like Winter Orb to the mix can yield even more fun.
You can get more 'at the beginning of combat' triggers by having more combat steps. Consider extra-turn spells, like Temporal Trespass , Temporal Manipulation , Expropriate , Karn's Temporal Sundering , Nexus of Fate ...
Finally, counter magic is a good thing. Idk what the budget for the deck is, but the best counters are Force of Will and Mana Drain . More affordable cards that are still REALLY good are Spell Snare , Arcane Denial , Negate , Fuel for the Cause and the like. Counter-counters (I call them 'second-order counters,' since it makes me feel smart) are also good. Veil of Summer is the best right now, but Autumn's Veil and Dispel are also really good.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
1 week ago
Yes! Seedborn Muse !! Same reason I always include that card with Planar Bridge . Very potent to have a freeplay every opponents turn. Especially if you are dastardly enough to search for Hokori, Dust Drinker right away... Or something equally obnoxious.
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
This is radical. Is City of Shadows outside the budget? You might consider these too: Opalescence , Concentrate , Foster , Cold Storage , Fierce Empath , Phyrexian Vault , Seedborn Muse , Awakening , Aphetto Alchemist
2 weeks ago
I figured out what was missing. I accidentally deleted Seedborn Muse during my last edit. Not sure how I pulled that off, but I fixed it and the deck is back at 100 cards.
Seedborn Muse occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.09%
GU (Simic): 0.86%
GW (Selesnya): 0.99%